Bad Guy Buyer Beware Keith Cantore AKA Albinocollector

[albinocollector]

With no vet paperwork posted, we do not know when or if the turtle was seen by a vet, with no pictures, we do not know that the turtle is in fact deceased.
We don't know how this seller would have reacted to notification.


This does not ring true. Who is afraid of a 'yep?'? And if one is, one can send an email notification (which is preferable anyway for future proof).
If you notify immediately and then the seller does not replace or otherwise take care of the issue that is one thing, but an alleged death (picture proof is needed) after two months without timely notifications shouldn't be the seller's responsibility.


Does anyone here want to wake up one morning, come to the BOI and months after a sale see a thread 'Surprise, you're a bad guy!!'?

Lucille people arent seeing this fro what it is i fyou noticed one of Johns threads here states teh turtle was alive 2 days ago still He was posting this about a Turtle hes claiming is sick now he says its dead there is no way this turtle was a hatchlings and sick when I sent it and it just now died . My point he recived his turtle healthy it somewhere along the lines got sick wich is unfortunate but not my fault and months later he calles looking for a freebee and since I called him on it Hes now claiming he doesnt want $ or a turtle like he did over the phone because that would then make My statement true that hes looking for a freebee . Johns a Liar point blank I can almost guarentee he has no valid Vet paperwork or is somehow trying to get some made . Yea I may get a lil mouthy but who wouldnt when someone pulls this crap with them then I have to deal with people I dont even know Pulling up My past trying to shame me IM sorry but no one knows me here and I did My time fair and square and didnt bitch about it either I own up to My mistakes unlike majority of people in thsi world and now I have to listen to strangers bad mouth me cause I cant type or i get pissed off a guy like John is trying to shame Me thats a joke if anyone reads all this the should see his lies and if anyone Feels they shouldnt do deals with Me hey there loss I have the healthiest animals and have hundreds of people to back that up and many businesses and import exporters that would vouch for me to say if I buy or trade or sell they have no problems with me . either way I will live on and have fun with my hobby I do this cause I like it not to make a buck if I John wouldve called in the week He got his turtle he wouldve had a new one but he didnt because it didnt happen the way hes claiming .

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

You haven't spent that much time on this thread. The time you have spent here hasn't been very productive. Still wondering how you manage to work 60 hours a week at your age AND have time to care for all those pets.

Chris, I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but this is rather a moot point. I don't believe age and work schedule have anything to do with much of anything. I work 60 hours a week (have for the last 7 years) and I take care of over 40 animals, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods alike. I am only 29 now but it poses no challenge now nor do I expect it to when I'm 65.

That said, John, you really need to post something of substance. I -WANT- to believe you and I think based on Keith's demeanor he's not someone to do business with. Give us something to work with please.

 

[albinocollector]

You haven't spent that much time on this thread. The time you have spent here hasn't been very productive. Still wondering how you manage to work 60 hours a week at your age AND have time to care for all those pets.

Chris thats a answer will never get cause just like the turtle showing up sick that is mysteriously lived over 2 months when it was claimed to show up damn near dead just died last night and was alive still 2 days ago in his post it just doesnt happen . well like you said unless this man John is in fact Clark kent and has some super powers we dont know about Im not trying to make a joke about it but come on lets be real . Hes full of crap . I want everyone who had posted here on this therad to answer Me 1 thing honestly if thsi was your turtle and same situation not saying that you all would do this to someone 2 months later but just say you called me to get a New Turtle and I say no cause its been to long and I offer 1 1/2 off with shiping free also would you then just post this stuff without proving to the seller that you legit had a sick animal and try 1 more time to possibly get your turtle Free ?? then to come on here and claim you didnt want the $$ or turtle but to just shame the seller so it doesnt happen to others ?? But his last statement claims Hes out all this MONEY yet he dont care about the $$$ Yea right .

 

[albinocollector]

Chris, I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but this is rather a moot point. I don't believe age and work schedule have anything to do with much of anything. I work 60 hours a week (have for the last 7 years) and I take care of over 40 animals, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods alike. I am only 29 now but it poses no challenge now nor do I expect it to when I'm 65.

That said, John, you really need to post something of substance. I -WANT- to believe you and I think based on Keith's demeanor he's not someone to do business with. Give us something to work with please.[/QUO Based on My demeanor ??? You do not know Me you read what I typed !! Are you telling me your the next Jesus christ that when someone Slaps you in the face as John has done to Me here you would just turn your cheek to ?? get real man you would be pissed to and argue it not to mention alll teh people getting ignorant on here but Oh Im the guy in question cause Johns lies so Im not allowed to get pissed or ignorant back it doesnt work that way when Judging someone try putting yourself in there shoes what would you do or say and also when doing that Be honest with yourself . I highly doubt you would sit there and just take crap from random people .

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

Allow me to explain, Keith. By demeanor I was referring to the way in which you compose your messages. You are super defensive and offensive at times. You lack the required decorum that I believe is a requisite in a prospective seller. Your composure is lacking.

I would lend you more credibility if you weren't so hot headed and would stop taking everything so personal. This is a business forum and you are acting very unprofessional both in your messages and in the way you compose them. If it makes you feel any better I wouldn't sell or buy from John B. either.

 

[kytuan]

John even you work 60hours / week or you are over 40-50 years reptiles experience , it's nothing , it's not proven anything here , all we need here is the evidence or information that u need to take a picture and post them up here , if you dont have anything information and evidence , i think better like Lucille said put up or you have to shut up . Dont waste anyone time .

 

[albinocollector]

Allow me to explain, Keith. By demeanor I was referring to the way in which you compose your messages. You are super defensive and offensive at times. You lack the required decorum that I believe is a requisite in a prospective seller. Your composure is lacking.

I would lend you more credibility if you weren't so hot headed and would stop taking everything so personal. This is a business forum and you are acting very unprofessional both in your messages and in the way you compose them. If it makes you feel any better I wouldn't sell or buy from John B. either.

Taking it Personal ? UHm I may be mistakin but this all a BAD guy post about me PERSONALLY so yes !! you must be kidding . also they way I write or type ?? did you ever read from over seas customers a EMAIL should I not do deals with them cause I cant understanmd what they are saying more then 1/2 the times even though they do great deals ?? makes no sense

 

[albinocollector]

Allow me to explain, Keith. By demeanor I was referring to the way in which you compose your messages. You are super defensive and offensive at times. You lack the required decorum that I believe is a requisite in a prospective seller. Your composure is lacking.

I would lend you more credibility if you weren't so hot headed and would stop taking everything so personal. This is a business forum and you are acting very unprofessional both in your messages and in the way you compose them. If it makes you feel any better I wouldn't sell or buy from John B. either.

also Decorum has nothing to do with Selling !! You can be the most Honest person and trust worthy and sell the best animals i teh world and not know or care to know how to type or write !! wich is My case I dont care to type or write and never in my life have I !! I care about My work and animals being down and taking care of properly and Defensive ?? Yes Im not a coward someone starts a fight with Me verbally or physically or with a innocent person that I witness I stand up for myself and others !! I would love to see your response if you where In My shoes right now I highly doubt youd take it and not fight back Mayeb you would type proper or what ever but big deal if someone judges a person by grammer and english skills thats just foolishness .

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

I never once insinuated anything about your spelling and grammar. I'm talking about the way your address people. It's unprofessional. I understand this is a Bad Guy thread on you, but the way you are coming across isn't helping your case.

If someone posted a thread about me I wouldn't act the way you are. I would post what evidence I had to make my case and kindly request the same be done of the OP. If anyone had any questions I would do my best to oblige and answer them.

John, any luck with posting those vet documents that Lucille was kind enough to PM you instructions on posting?

 

[leftycrane]

To clarify what I think John said...on the 14th he said it was still alive but he suspected it would die soon and he would freeze it. Then today, the 16th, he said the turtle passed away, as he claimed it would. Either way, PROOF is what you are missing John. If you can freeze the turtle, you can post pics of the dead turtle and the vet report.

 

[albinocollector]

I never once insinuated anything about your spelling and grammar. I'm talking about the way your address people. It's unprofessional. I understand this is a Bad Guy thread on you, but the way you are coming across isn't helping your case.

If someone posted a thread about me I wouldn't act the way you are. I would post what evidence I had to make my case and kindly request the same be done of the OP. If anyone had any questions I would do my best to oblige and answer them.

John, any luck with posting those vet documents that Lucille was kind enough to PM you instructions on posting?

OH I see so your 1 sided !! Cause I didnt see you once say anything to they way people talked to me to get me to react that way !! . go figure people can mouth off and talk bad or insinuate something about me but god forbid I should not respond nice . thats a joke

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

Mr. Cantore, I deal with the general public all day every day. I work in a technical setting that deals with high dollar repairs and parts. People are often confused because of the technical aspects of my line of work and revert to emotional responses. In short, I deal with upset people very often and I use my logic and empathy to dissuade them and calm them down. I find that if you calmly talk to unhappy people you will eventually find out what exactly is upsetting them and be able to diffuse the situation.

Most of the time people are angry not at you but at something that happened in their personal life and when you add a dead or dying turtle to the equation they explode and take their frustrations out on the next closest living thing.

I am only trying to point out via constructive criticism that your attitude and lack of empathy is damaging your reputation. I clearly stated I don't believe the OP until he provides evidence supporting his claims but you, for lack of better words need to "take a chill pill, dude."

It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

 

[Wraith]

Keith just give me time to get the vets exam report. And I will mail you both copies. Oh ya you are so right thats why the vet gave him a vitiam A shot. Also if you know anything about snapping turtles, they are the most hardiest animal out there, I have animals from the wild with broken shells and dieases that I have tended to, live up to a year. Also would like to inform you the turle has expired. Just like I told you the other nite. I will keep it frozen may need it doewn the road. This thread is showing poeple what type of person you really are. THe more poeple that read this THE BUYER BEWARE IS WORKING. Keith you and I both know what you shipped me. I send you the copies as soon as I get it.

Not that I am siding with Cantore in this thread (I see potential that both sides have issues that are contributing to the situation), but please say you are not bragging about that your vet injected Vitamin A into a potentially sick baby turtle. That only shows ignorance either on your part or on the part of the vet.

Anyone with notable experience with turtles would know that Vit A deficiency in turtles less than 6 months of age is practically unheard of... their body has naturally stored up enough supply of Vit A from the egg yolk to see them through those first few months. If a turtle less than 6 months of age was going to suffer Vit A deficiency then it would have been a turtle that failed to properly absorb the yolk before hatching and would also likely be suffering other health issues/deformities as well that prevented it from properly absorbing yolk in the first place.

As far as older turtles are concerned, improper diet could potentially lead to a Vit A deficiency, but it can take weeks or months before you see concrete signs of that. Vit A SHOTS are generally considered toxic and quite painful to turtles. These injections can very easily lead to organ failure and death. The site of the injection can ulcerate and the skin literally begin to slough off. In order to correct an actual bonafide Vit A deficiency one must provide them with a diet where the foods are rich in beta carotene which is then converted by the body into Vit A. Beta Carotene cannot be overdosed on where as Vit A can be overdosed on - especially if being injected. In short, turtles suffering from Vit A deficiency are almost always tried on diet with good supply of beta carotene in them or are given oral vit A supplement (though turtles do better on beta carotene as the gut/liver absorption rate of oral A is a bit limited). Injections are used as an absolute last resort. Turtle knowledgeable vets would not just willy nilly stick a baby turtle and inject Vit A into them considering just how dangerous injections of Vit A can be for adult turtles.

As far as snappers are concerned, yes they are pretty near indestructible and one has to go out of their way for long periods of time to screw them up. Commercial pelleted diets these days are rather satisfactory nutrition wise. If a snapper was going to suffer from any dietary deficiency I would think it would most likely be a Vit B/Thiamine deficiency since people can be rather lazy or cheap and choose to only provide goldfish rather than a variety of different fish as a food items. Vit D is also possible if the turtle does not have any access to natural sunlight (and/or UV supplemented light) and is also not being fed a diet containing any Vit D (either supplemented or from whole food items). Snappers being omnivores can make use of sunlight synthesized D as well as dietary D from whole foods (which would come from the bones of the prey they eat like rodents, snakes, etc.) and can make use of limited gut absorption through oral supplemented D one tends to see in commercial diets. But again, these types of deficiencies don't happen over night and generally don't happen to young baby turtles.

 

[laterob]

Ohhh...rich in irony. Turtle was killed by vet, who provided no paperwork of visit.


John - what's the vet's name and when did you see him/her?

 

[Chris Kennard]

Chris, I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but this is rather a moot point. I don't believe age and work schedule have anything to do with much of anything. I work 60 hours a week (have for the last 7 years) and I take care of over 40 animals, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods alike. I am only 29 now but it poses no challenge now nor do I expect it to when I'm 65.

That said, John, you really need to post something of substance. I -WANT- to believe you and I think based on Keith's demeanor he's not someone to do business with. Give us something to work with please.

I don't believe it is a moot point. I have been doing construction work for 30 years, and am 20 years your senior. While I am in good shape for my age, I cannot handle many of the tasks I could when I was your age. I don't know anyone in their sixties who wants to, needs to or has the stamina to do what he claims. It doesn't ring true to me. If he is in fact exaggerating or bending the truth, his credibility should be questioned. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen this.

 

[Celtic Constrictors]

I suppose that all depends on the species of animal he keeps. My snakes take nothing to keep up with. Fill their water every day, toss in a rat once every few weeks. Change the cage liners once a couple weeks. My cats and dogs take a lot more out of me. Geckos, frogs, and beardies aren't too terrible.

 

[albinocollector]

Mr. Cantore, I deal with the general public all day every day. I work in a technical setting that deals with high dollar repairs and parts. People are often confused because of the technical aspects of my line of work and revert to emotional responses. In short, I deal with upset people very often and I use my logic and empathy to dissuade them and calm them down. I find that if you calmly talk to unhappy people you will eventually find out what exactly is upsetting them and be able to diffuse the situation.

Most of the time people are angry not at you but at something that happened in their personal life and when you add a dead or dying turtle to the equation they explode and take their frustrations out on the next closest living thing.

I am only trying to point out via constructive criticism that your attitude and lack of empathy is damaging your reputation. I clearly stated I don't believe the OP until he provides evidence supporting his claims but you, for lack of better words need to "take a chill pill, dude."

It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

haha Very true I was calm with John till he did this I cant stand people that have nothing better to d o with there lifes then to get on here and try to dig up someones past or talk crap to Me when I didnt do anything wrong . These people are so follish that they think the wrong I did in My past should be punished over and over by bringing it back up !! Im not in 1 bit ashamed of my past I learned from it and it bettered me . But yea your right !!!Im over this anyway its not going to effect MY Hobby 1 bit

 

[albinocollector]

Not that I am siding with Cantore in this thread (I see potential that both sides have issues that are contributing to the situation), but please say you are not bragging about that your vet injected Vitamin A into a potentially sick baby turtle. That only shows ignorance either on your part or on the part of the vet.

Anyone with notable experience with turtles would know that Vit A deficiency in turtles less than 6 months of age is practically unheard of... their body has naturally stored up enough supply of Vit A from the egg yolk to see them through those first few months. If a turtle less than 6 months of age was going to suffer Vit A deficiency then it would have been a turtle that failed to properly absorb the yolk before hatching and would also likely be suffering other health issues/deformities as well that prevented it from properly absorbing yolk in the first place.

As far as older turtles are concerned, improper diet could potentially lead to a Vit A deficiency, but it can take weeks or months before you see concrete signs of that. Vit A SHOTS are generally considered toxic and quite painful to turtles. These injections can very easily lead to organ failure and death. The site of the injection can ulcerate and the skin literally begin to slough off. In order to correct an actual bonafide Vit A deficiency one must provide them with a diet where the foods are rich in beta carotene which is then converted by the body into Vit A. Beta Carotene cannot be overdosed on where as Vit A can be overdosed on - especially if being injected. In short, turtles suffering from Vit A deficiency are almost always tried on diet with good supply of beta carotene in them or are given oral vit A supplement (though turtles do better on beta carotene as the gut/liver absorption rate of oral A is a bit limited). Injections are used as an absolute last resort. Turtle knowledgeable vets would not just willy nilly stick a baby turtle and inject Vit A into them considering just how dangerous injections of Vit A can be for adult turtles.

As far as snappers are concerned, yes they are pretty near indestructible and one has to go out of their way for long periods of time to screw them up. Commercial pelleted diets these days are rather satisfactory nutrition wise. If a snapper was going to suffer from any dietary deficiency I would think it would most likely be a Vit B/Thiamine deficiency since people can be rather lazy or cheap and choose to only provide goldfish rather than a variety of different fish as a food items. Vit D is also possible if the turtle does not have any access to natural sunlight (and/or UV supplemented light) and is also not being fed a diet containing any Vit D (either supplemented or from whole food items). Snappers being omnivores can make use of sunlight synthesized D as well as dietary D from whole foods (which would come from the bones of the prey they eat like rodents, snakes, etc.) and can make use of limited gut absorption through oral supplemented D one tends to see in commercial diets. But again, these types of deficiencies don't happen over night and generally don't happen to young baby turtles.

Thanks for this finally someone with Turtle experience to back up what I was trying to say . This turtle was only 1 month old it was hatched late sept I drove to turtle farm picked them up with yokes still showing and John had his turtle by Oct 9th . He claimed the turtle was Mosshy shelled and damn near dead when He got it from me in OCT 9th just 3 days ago when he called to claim I owe him a new turtle thats when I told him wait you had this turtle this long and now are just calling to say its sick 2 months and 5 days later . when he described the condition I told him theres no way possible it was sick when he got it and that had it been sick liked he claimed the snapper wouldve been dead by the time he called me over 2 months later . This turtle died in his hands not because My wrong doing or sending a sick turtle . This turtle had a nice firm healthy shell when I shiped it as I keep lights on them and feed both Zoomed hatchling pellets and Repcal aquatic turtle pelest wich are made to keep healthy shells and do in fact work I have been feeding them pellets to turtles over 13 years now .

 

[albinocollector]

it is now the 16th 4 hours shy of the 17th John and you have My email I still have not received a Email from you so that I can post your Vet papers and bills ???

 

[Chris Kennard]

I suppose that all depends on the species of animal he keeps. My snakes take nothing to keep up with. Fill their water every day, toss in a rat once every few weeks. Change the cage liners once a couple weeks. My cats and dogs take a lot more out of me. Geckos, frogs, and beardies aren't too terrible.

I wasn't just referring to his ability to tend to his animals. I agree with you there. Something doesn't seem right here. I have a problem with someone saying they don't care about a resolution, in so many words. Seems vindictive. I'm not so sure that a vet bill will prove negligence on the accused to boot. Like to here more on the shot given by the vet. Could it have caused harm?