Bad Guy Bad Experience with Carson Phelps of Herps Etc

[Parysa]

I believe this is considered " Borderline Abusive " and deserving some Infractions!

And the things Chris has said aren't?

Truth is, I talked to Guy on the phone who called to say thanks for my support. Unlike Carson, he added nothing beyond what he submitted to this thread. Well AFTER I had Carson's number. Unlike you, I had all the info I needed right here to solidify my views on this matter long before I spoke to Guy, thus the thank you message. If anyone here has an "ulterior motive", it is the girl who based her opinions one what the accused told her while never getting the other side.

So you've talked to Carson as well?

 

[SofaKing]

I received infractions for saying " thief " and " scumbag" without any warnings! You were warned once by April, that's more then what I got...

I think Chris was smart enough to " word " correctly the things he says to avoid the infractions since he's been a member here for along time..

Apparently I'm no to bright to do that

 

[Lucille]

Personal responsibility is still a thing...He should have pushed to get the situation resolved sooner, but

It seems as if you are giving Carson a pass on personal responsibility. There should be no 'but'.

So maybe he assumed they were on the same page and they weren't. If so, you know what they say about assuming and he's paying for it with his reputation.

He is paying, and the coin is his reputation, but when you come right down to it, was not Steve Miles (if Steve Miles even exists) and all the issues there that wrote the bill he has to pay. It is, and you have recognized it yourself, that he should have pushed to get this resolved sooner.

That is what people are going to come away with after they read this thread. They will ask themselves if they want to enter into a three year transaction.

 

[Chris Kennard]

My email is getting blown up over this crap, so I'm going to address some things.



Chris, I've asked all of my "why didn't you" questions to Carson directly because he's actually around answering questions.



Ok, let me break this down into baby steps for your reading comprehension skills are apparently lacking. I do not know Carson in person. I've never seen him outside of photos on facebook (and even then, I'm not sure if I've seen those). I've never been face-to-face with him. I've never been to New England aside from one time when I was six and flew through New York (does that count?), so I've certainly never been to New Jersey or Pennsylvania or anywhere near where he lives. As far as I know, he's never been to Alabama or anywhere near where I live. Carson. And. I. Have. Never. Met. Is that clear enough? We've talked on the phone and we've talked on facebook. The first time I ever in my life talked on the phone with him was AFTER the first few times that I posted in this thread. He and I are in a couple of the same groups on facebook, which is how I know of him there. The first time we messaged on facebook was the same day that we talked on the phone for the first time. That was "day one" in my book.
Now, would you like to actually accuse me of something or are you satisfied with making snide remarks and innuendos? Honestly, I think it's pretty sad that you're such a sorry excuse for a human being that you can't comprehend someone standing up for someone else without ulterior motive, which makes me wonder what connection you have to Guy that you're denying.


Actually, Wraith, they don't usually. If it's a letter sent as part of a legal proceeding (such as a lawsuit), it generally gets stored. If it's a letter sent as a favor, a scare tactic, an initial attempt to make contact with a third party that isn't responded to, things like that, it usually gets shredded and trashed. Even if it is kept, there's no telling where it's stored. The law office that I work in has an entire building devoted to storage of old files that we have to keep for a certain length of time (financial law, everything gets stored for 7+ years) where everything is out of order and only one person in our office knows how to navigate it. It's total chaos, which I've found seems to be the norm for law offices.

And the things Chris has said aren't?


So you've talked to Carson as well?

Nope. I never needed to. I never needed to talk to Guy either. My mind was made up from Carson's first post here. Apparently your "selective reading" has made you miss the obvious.

 

[Chris Kennard]

And the things Chris has said aren't?


So you've talked to Carson as well?

I'm sorry Paige, but I missed the posts where I insulted you and called you names in the frantic and wreckless way you did to me. I didn't need to do that to you. You see, I explained that you shouldn't mistake me for someone who cares if you take me seriously or not. Seems you've taken me very seriously. As well you should. As far as I'm cocerned, no infraction needed. Your permanent posts here suffice as time served as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Chris Kennard]

You may be right. Whatever you classify it as, we didn't actually start conversing outside of Facebook BP groups till after I'd already posted on here. I don't have a horse in this race. I'm a paralegal. I deal with liars and scammers all day at my job. I've gotten pretty good at recognizing them and the red flags I'm seeing are all on Guy's side. I'm not seeing any on Carson's because he's been open about where he screwed up in all this and I respect that. Guy has not taken one iota of responsibility for his part in the whole cluster****. Personal responsibility is still a thing, though it does seem to be going the way of the rotary phone. Carson should have kept better records. I think he's learned that the hard way by now. He should have pushed to get the situation resolved sooner, but this is someone he thought he had a friendship with in addition to a business relationship and having learned the hard way to keep business separate from friendship myself I have some empathy there. I'm not saying you can't do business with friends, but cutting corners and not documenting things in business because of friendship rarely ends well as he's seeing. Been there, done that, lost friends over it. It's not worth it. So maybe he assumed they were on the same page and they weren't. If so, you know what they say about assuming and he's paying for it with his reputation.
It just seems to me that a lot of people here have a hard on for destroying Carson when he doesn't affect their lives in any way. This has gone beyond some quest for justice for Guy and into the realm of witch hunt.
Also, why are none of my questions about Guy being answered and instead people are trying to shut me up? If it's really about finding the truth, why isn't he being questioned as well? Why is his word being taken as absolute truth while Carson is being given the third degree over everything he says?

You can't be serious. The only person who is obligated to have an "iota of responsibility" is the one holding Guy's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for THREE FREEKIN YEARS.

 

[Parysa]

Do you have any degrees or certificates that constitutes you as a paralegal? Or is just on the job training?

College plus experience. Why?

I received infractions for saying " thief " and " scumbag" without any warnings! You were warned once by April, that's more then what I got...

I think Chris was smart enough to " word " correctly the things he says to avoid the infractions since he's been a member here for along time..

Apparently I'm no to bright to do that

That's interesting since Chris has said the same things without a word against him. I'm not accusing Chris of a crime, just an inability to understand what he reads and a lack of social skills.

It seems as if you are giving Carson a pass on personal responsibility. There should be no 'but'.


He is paying, and the coin is his reputation, but when you come right down to it, was not Steve Miles (if Steve Miles even exists) and all the issues there that wrote the bill he has to pay. It is, and you have recognized it yourself, that he should have pushed to get this resolved sooner.

That is what people are going to come away with after they read this thread. They will ask themselves if they want to enter into a three year transaction.

I'm not giving him a pass on anything. He's getting slammed enough. I simply don't feel the need to add to it considering that he's admitted to screwing up.

Nope. I never needed to. I never needed to talk to Guy either. My mind was made up from Carson's first post here. Apparently your "selective reading" has made you miss the obvious.

Oh, it's been obvious that your mind was made up the moment Carson's name was brought up. I'm honestly not trying to change your mind, just point out your obvious bias.

 

[DaveyFig]

I am not even sure what I am reading. Guy should accept responsibility for not getting his money back?

 

[SofaKing]

College plus experience. Why?

I was just curious

That's interesting since Chris has said the same things without a word against him.

I'll go backwards and verify

 

[Parysa]

I'm sorry Paige, but I missed the posts where I insulted you and called you names in the frantic and wreckless way you did to me. I didn't need to do that to you. You see, I explained that you shouldn't mistake me for someone who cares if you take me seriously or not. Seems you've taken me very seriously. As well you should. As far as I'm cocerned, no infraction needed. Your permanent posts here suffice as time served as far as I'm concerned.

No, you just insinuated where I came straight out. Why should I take you seriously? Who are you? Nobody. You're a particularly abrasive screen name on a forum who seems to have an inflated view of his own importance and the importance of the 4chan of the herp world. Time served? For what? Disagreeing with you? There's nothing frantic or reckless about what I've said. I simply don't care what your little clique thinks of me. Do you honestly think anyone is going to remember my name years from now because of one thread where I'm disagreeing with you? Neither of us are that relevant.

You can't be serious. The only person who is obligated to have an "iota of responsibility" is the one holding Guy's THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for THREE FREEKIN YEARS.

So it's ok to make continuous deals with someone and then come on and call for a PA attack to get more than what you paid for in the first place without saying one word about it to the police or an attorney or any other appropriate legal channels and it's not his responsibility, but a run of bad luck is the world's worst crime?

 

[Parysa]

I am not even sure what I am reading. Guy should accept responsibility for not getting his money back?

Guy should accept responsibility for making a deal with someone and never once in three years caring enough about that deal to get anything in writing or doing anything legally to recover that money he was so concerned about after allegedly getting "hosed" multiple times.

 

[Iraqvet]

Guy should accept responsibility for making a deal with someone and never once in three years caring enough about that deal to get anything in writing or doing anything legally to recover that money he was so concerned about after allegedly getting "hosed" multiple times.

This is the dumbest thing I have heard do far..Please..STOP..I would never take legal advice from you if I was a victim,because it would be MY FAULT as the victim..What you are saying is on par with telling someone if they get robbed and lose their money, they should have been carrying a gun...Carson has never proven anything about his attorney, or Steve Miles..He is supposed to be this big shot, yet couldn't have enough business sense to say "okay,lets get the new deal in writing"?...Sorry, your defense of Carson is laughable...

 

[DaveyFig]

Guy should accept responsibility for making a deal with someone and never once in three years caring enough about that deal to get anything in writing or doing anything legally to recover that money he was so concerned about after allegedly getting "hosed" multiple times.

He did take responsibility. As a result of his actions, he didn't get his snakes or money.

Then, he came here. Because of that decision, he now has his money back, and is waiting on the remainder of what was agreed upon. Guy should not be out anything, so I don't know what you mean by "accept responsibility," unless you are just suggesting that Guy deserved to wait for his money because he let Carson have it for so long. Do you think that Guy could have gotten signed paperwork from Carson after the initial deal was made? "He Carson, I know that I have dealt with you before, but you didn't produce the scaleless corns, the pied balls, the ultramel and spark stuff, and the banana isn't ready, and there is no guarantee that it will survive to be shipped with the rest of the snakes that you are going to ship (if they are produced), but do you think you might be able to sign some paperwork guaranteeing that I will get them?" I don't think that would work. Are you suggesting that Guy should have sued Carson instead of coming here?

 

[Chris Kennard]

College plus experience. Why?


That's interesting since Chris has said the same things without a word against him. I'm not accusing Chris of a crime, just an inability to understand what he reads and a lack of social skills.


I'm not giving him a pass on anything. He's getting slammed enough. I simply don't feel the need to add to it considering that he's admitted to screwing up.


Oh, it's been obvious that your mind was made up the moment Carson's name was brought up. I'm honestly not trying to change your mind, just point out your obvious bias.

My obvious bias was created by The submission of posts from both parties involved without either's personal input, unlike you.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Guy should accept responsibility for making a deal with someone and never once in three years caring enough about that deal to get anything in writing or doing anything legally to recover that money he was so concerned about after allegedly getting "hosed" multiple times.

Your perspective seems deranged to me.

 

[DaveyFig]

I started an inquiry on Steve Miles. Hopefully someone can provide some info on him.

 

[Parysa]

Sofa King, here ya go.

In the quotes braincell.[\B] What is your attorney's name that sent a letter to Steve? What adress was it sent to? What are the contact numbers for Steve? If you don't know, your lawyer will have records. I'll call him for you if you'd like. I know how busy you are.

Which, to his credit he did apologize for after I called him out.

And if this isn't an accusation of theft, I'm not sure what is.

I have all the info on Carson I need. If he provided one iota of "accurate information" here, he wouldn't be scrutinized the way he has. And get this straight, he took money out of the OP's pocket and shoved it in his own. I don't believe there was ever a third party. Je had complete control over this situation. THE END, as Carson likes to say.

By the way, our "contrbutions" to this thread exposed Carson for the deceptive person he is and were probably instrumental in getting Guy the money he got. The closure remains to be seen.

And on a related note:

I my mind was made up so soon, I would not have needed to ask a single question. Another incorrect assumption. I have nothing against Carson. No animosity whatsoever. So leave the melodramatics out of this, please. Curious about the "following" thing.

I determined who was lying from the first arrogant post Carson submitted here[\B] where he said he was doing Guy a "favor" by taking his 3000 bucks for a prospect that never existed. Carson calls Guy out of the blue, solicits money from Guy for corn snakes that didn't exist from a guy who didn't exist, and bought three years of Guys patience with his well honed smoke and mirrors campaign. No lawyer, no cop, no "buddy", no STEVE MILES, and no proof of ANYTHING! This was never anything short of a scam, period!

Truth is, I talked to Guy on the phone who called to say thanks for my support. Unlike Carson, he added nothing beyond what he submitted to this thread. Well AFTER I had Carson's number. Unlike you, I had all the info I needed right here to solidify my views on this matter long before I spoke to Guy[\B], thus the thank you message. If anyone here has an "ulterior motive", it is the girl who based her opinions one what the accused told her while never getting the other side.

Nope. I never needed to. I never needed to talk to Guy either. My mind was made up from Carson's first post here.[\B] Apparently your "selective reading" has made you miss the obvious.

So Chris, if your mind wasn't made up and you had no need to continue asking questions once it was, but your mind was made up from Carson's first post (which was before you started posting questions), then why are you here? Yet you say you don't have a vendetta and you just want the truth.

 

[SofaKing]

Paige,

I'm curious to even why you came and joined Fauna? Was it to just defend Carson since he has no of his own?

Just think about it, Carson wouldn't be in this mess if he never tried to broker animals in the first place!

 

[Parysa]

This is the dumbest thing I have heard do far..Please..STOP..I would never take legal advice from you if I was a victim,because it would be MY FAULT as the victim..What you are saying is on par with telling someone if they get robbed and lose their money, they should have been carrying a gun...Carson has never proven anything about his attorney, or Steve Miles..[\B]He is supposed to be this big shot, yet couldn't have enough business sense to say "okay,lets get the new deal in writing"?...Sorry, your defense of Carson is laughable...

Sorry. I missed the part where either of them have proven anything.

He did take responsibility. As a result of his actions, he didn't get his snakes or money.

Then, he came here. Because of that decision, he now has his money back, and is waiting on the remainder of what was agreed upon. Guy should not be out anything, so I don't know what you mean by "accept responsibility," unless you are just suggesting that Guy deserved to wait for his money because he let Carson have it for so long. Do you think that Guy could have gotten signed paperwork from Carson after the initial deal was made? "He Carson, I know that I have dealt with you before, but you didn't produce the scaleless corns, the pied balls, the ultramel and spark stuff, and the banana isn't ready, and there is no guarantee that it will survive to be shipped with the rest of the snakes that you are going to ship (if they are produced), but do you think you might be able to sign some paperwork guaranteeing that I will get them?" I don't think that would work. Are you suggesting that Guy should have sued Carson instead of coming here?[\B]

I'm suggesting that's what most people do when they feel that they've been stolen from. That's the purpose behind small claims court.

Sorry for the multi-posts. I'm typing on my phone and by the time I reply, there's something I've missed.

 

[Chris Kennard]

College plus experience. Why?


That's interesting since Chris has said the same things without a word against him. I'm not accusing Chris of a crime, just an inability to understand what he reads and a lack of social skills.


I'm not giving him a pass on anything. He's getting slammed enough. I simply don't feel the need to add to it considering that he's admitted to screwing up.


Oh, it's been obvious that your mind was made up the moment Carson's name was brought up. I'm honestly not trying to change your mind, just point out your obvious bias.

First of all, you are incapable of changing my mind. And there you go doing the things you accuse me of. Twisting, selective reading etc. Please cite the post where I said my mind was made up the moment Carson's name was brought up. You have a difficult time proving and accepting accountability for your constant misguided accusations because you make things up. Just like Carson. I believe I said my mind was made up when his first post was submitted here. Care to dispute that against your deceptive little jab?