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Inquiry Wanda Patterson aka: sunsethypo?

Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 3:23 PM
To
[email protected]
In case you have not been following along, I have been posting all of this.

*I* have not bred these, but it does not matter, because *YOU* have not bred het to het and proven it out either. ;)

The rest of your message is largely gibberish? Jealous? You are becoming more adorable with each email.

I am not mad at all. I am, however, highly disappointed by being unable to trust anything you claim regarding these animals now. I also think you do not know what slander means. Mean people and haters? This must be Darik.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:09 PM


you still refuse to answer the only question of importance here for the third time ,have you or any of you bred these ,? the answer you are so desperate to hide is NO , so your accusations are baseless no one has ever told me they have bred them and didn't get good results or bad results .my first posting of these was way back in 2002 , you didn't inform me that they were hets ,i am aware having been breeding tortoises and snakes since the 1970s and i am well aware of how simple recessive genes work. in my ads posted on kingsnake i explain before i ever here of you in my ad that the sunsethypo gene has not been proven out ,but i thought it could prove to be a simple recessive and IF it proves out the price will go up . looking over all you pass emails i have never made a excuse for anything .i live in a military city norfolk va and it is common for someone to be transferred out of the USA after the first visual hypos were sold on kingsnake that first buyer who produced sunsethypos moved out of the USA .i don't see why that would be consider a excuse ? merely what happen ,i have no control over that . further more in your posting for het sunsethypo you never stated in your ad that you believe the het sunsethypos are not real . even if you did sell them for what you paid for them . but know i see that you are just jealous because you though the sunsethypo het could be real after all but when i came out with a blonde tortoise all of a sudden the camels back is broken and you are making up more slander i have people from the 180s who bought these first generation animals and explain in my kingsnake had that i was shutting down the blonde pardalis b project to work more on p.p these 5th genertion animals were the last babies from the other generations which i no longer have lots of people local here have seen this project over the last 30 years it is not something new that just popped up . there are pictures of blond leopards on line that have as much blonde as my adults so its not like i am coming up with the only blonde leopards that exist ,my pardalis B are line bred not a recessive gene .but i would say they are among the the top end of blond leopards out there i am not calling them snow leopards as some others are , so let me get this straight in your email below your are saying that its my blond leopards that are making you made so your are trying to slander me because you are jealous of them? and if it wasn't for the neon blond leopards things would be believable ,please save me the trouble and post this whole thread ,if you don't i will . the world doesn't like mean people and haters . you are only hurting yourself with your hate .
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 3:59 PM
To
[email protected]
Calm down, Darik.

Seems like this a major concern for you.

Friend, this. People I know, that. Rectal rumors, all.

You seem upset, naturally, that your little fairy tale is getting unraveled.

You should just post all of the undoctored photographs you must surely possess showing the several sunset hypos that you claim have been produced. Share them on the BOI. Nothing rallies support like that and you surely have evidence to spare.

When should I hear back about the "slander"?

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:48 PM
Sub: Re:

no i have not been following along IT IS NOT A CONCERN FOR ME,,but i am glad you are posting this for me as i have never posted anything on fauna and don't rely know how even though i have been a member for years and have seen people get into very heated arguments where breeders try to cut down each other to try and discredit someone , so over these years i never wanted to be involved in that . and YES THE GENE HAS BEEN PROVEN. FROM A HET TO HET BREEDING LOCALLY FROM A FRIEND THAT POSTED AND SOLD THE FIRST VISUAL SUNSETHYPOS AND WERE SOLD ON KINGSNAKE.COM so there is a ton of people that have followed the project and know that the gene has been proven have seen hypos posted and sold picture the whole thing. these were hets bought from me that i watched grow breed and produce sunsethypos. just because almost no one has a sexed breeding pair of sunsethypo doesn't prove out any of your accusations whats so ever .i am glad that you are exposing your self for who your really are . i have forward this back and forth email to over 100 people in the reptile world and have gotten back a lot of dislike for you. looks like there are a lot of people who you have been dishonest with in the past
 
Hello Nick. Let me start by saying I don't really care for the BOI after all the "roasting" I see that goes on here. I have learned if you want to answer a thread on the BOI, its best to say your peace, post whatever evidence you have, and be on your way. That being said I don't want to take sides. But, I will say Nick your "post #16" was pretty damaging. Pic one shows the normal advertised pic that usually goes with their ads, pic #4 makes has no pinkish hue to it. So, I agree in that aspect. No matter the lighting a morph is a morph and should always retain its color. I say that your post #16 is damaging (unless proven wrong) because its seems as though the first picture was taken as the sun "was setting". I based this on the glare, medium of light, and shadowing of the picture. But, just clearly my observation from what you provided.

Wanda/Derik, I am not against you at this point. But.... I have to agree with some of what Nick has stated. As, will most people. If you have been producing these 100% Het. for Sunset Hypos for over 10 years now, (not sure on the exactly how many years), certainly -there should have been someone who had bred 100% to 100% by now. In which, you said a personal friend of yours has. My advice is very simple. Simply, go to your friend, ask for the pictures proving the gene and shut everyone up here. It would clearly squash this thread.

The other valid point Nick made was you- yourself should have been producing "visual" Sunset Hypos by now. So, why not breed one of your 100% Het. Males you originally produced 8 or 10 years ago back to the Mother? Again, not against you here but many people will read this and will be asking themselves these questions. A pink phased baby would bring big bucks versus selling $800 Hets. for so long. So, it doesn't make much business sense when presented to people.

Anyway, I really hope you can provide proof and move forward. I have dealt with you and your husband and our transaction went smoothly and I personally have no complaints about you.

Best Regards, Joe....
 
I would have preferred that this individual or duo would simply back claims and be done with it, but everything I has heard from him/her on this is an evasive excuse. She keeps claiming that they are nebulously "out there", but then...nada.

Maybe in the "next few years", as you can see in the next email, which is an old yarn to me at this point.
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 7:07 PM
To
[email protected]
Hopefully, one of them gets back to you sooner than the next few years, Darik.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:45 PM

i am sure someone will get back to me that has produced sunsethypos ,if not soon in the next few years as the ones that have been sold over the last ten years come of age to breed , i have no concerns about that . i think the world is tired of haters and bitter people . the emails have proved without a doubt that your accusations have no basis , you will never ware me down with your lies and hate try as you may . it is obvious even if you were holding a sunsethypo in your hand you would have a new issue ,as soon as i told you i could track down people who hatched sunsethypos you are already laying the ground work to dispute pictures and what ever other proof that one could provide. being that i as well as many others know i am on the wright side of the truth , i will be happy and tranquil every day of my life ,and i feel sorry for you that you seem to take the low road in life , and probably have been for a long time . sincerely Wanda Patterson
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 7:07 PM
To
[email protected]
You seem lost somehow, Darik.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:43 PM


again i see you didn't tell the whole truth you posted only one of my emails not the rest where you are exposed for reselling het sunsethypos . on one hand saying how great they are then once you sold them telling everyone they are not real . i have seen every posted you have made about someone , surprise they were all bad . i am going to get all the the emails posted .and let everyone decide what they want .i have been a Rn most my life and near retiring ,i have seen everything and learned that you can not worried about things you have no control over ,you are just a bitter bully that's going to do what you do so am not desperate or concern about what you post or what you do ,,
sincerely Wanda Patterson

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Not sure what to make of this one. The switch to signing of the name on the recent emails leads me to be suspicious it is in indeed Darik I am corresponding with. Also, the "you only posted one of my emails" part is interesting. I have reposted every email, along with my response to each, that I have received today. Just "one" did not make multiple pages of volume.


I look forward to the wealth of conclusive photos in the next few years since, according to her/him/them, around thirteen have already passed. Then maybe it will be said to wait for 2020. Then 2030.
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 8:03 PM
To
[email protected]
I am not interested in insulting you as much as am in relaying information, Darik. That is why I have posted every email you have sent me today along with all of my responses to them. Since you make things up about "hating" things and so forth, it makes the most sense to me to be be transparent.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Hypo CH/RF hatchlings

come on nick is that the best you got?
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 8:13 PM
To
[email protected]
If you do not wish to post evidence supporting your claims, that is your prerogative.

See, unlike your "slander" claim, what you just posted is libelous. I do not own any Gpp of any kind at this time. I divested of them as well as most of my babcocki. The only leopard tortoises I currently own consist of a single large female babcocki and a hatchling intergrade that I am waiting to receive once a safe shipping opportunity comes along with a break in the weather.

I breed a number of species and a morph or two here and there and have expanded and contracted my collection over the years to try to get it where I want it to be (and am still working on getting my numbers down, not up; this time last year, I had almost twice as many animals as I have now). Unfortunately, since the sunset hypo thing you were claiming does not appear to be real, an entire project's worth of time was wasted on a fake morph.

Plainly and simply, I do not believe the claims you have been making.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:03 PM


it would not make a difference either way today or ten years from now ,you would just say it is a hologram or some story ,i am sure you never run out of though's stories ,i am getting a lot of support and stories about you and will be passing along your story , the consensus from people emailing me is that you bought my sunsethypos and then sold fake ones while keeping the real ones . very good try you almost got away with it ,so after 9 years of me selling these you suddenly make this unfounded story ,it is making perfect sense to me know ,this way you can discredit me and you have plenty of spare p.p as you stated from your breeder friends .i always thought it was weird your always buying and sell tortoise but lack the skill and know how to breed them while attacking others on fauna . you must be trying to compensate for some sort coming in your life ,
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 8:24 PM
To
[email protected]
I posted everything you have sent today. Judging by the quality of your responses, I would not advise you to speak to medicine when you have been challenged so frequently today by the very language you attempt to type in. Yours must be a heavy burden, Darik.

If I did not believe you were trying to make unfounded claims about your non-morph-yet-called-morph animals or were now at the point where you just create stories to try to perform some kind of delusional projection, I would have thought you might be suffering from a disorder beyond mere shysterism.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Hypo CH/RF hatchlings

you need to reread you emails ,are you taking all of your meds?
 
As someone who has plenty of experience in PS.... The photo of the tortoise male mounting the "red" one is pretty clearly very off color... Wherever intentionally or not. The dead grass and even the male tortoise are stained reddish color, and the "fixed" version of it looks surprisingly like what would come right off the camera, stock.

Also before I even got to reading anything, I was scrolling and saw the first photo you posted, showing the supposedly red tortoise from the side in some green grass. I instantly thought to myself, looks like the tort was selected with a wand and crudely had the hue moved over a few notches toward the red spectrum. Only then did I actually read and realize that's what this is about. Hell, with a half hour I could take a picture like that and make a "new morph" that was SO much more convincing than that.

To Darik/Wanda/Carmen Sandiego or whoever you are.

This is NOT a hard concept. Grab a cell phone. Write today's date on a paper, and take NEW PICS of you holding the red torts and post them up. This will literally take you what.... 5 freaking minutes? You have all this time to sit around and send email after email to Nick and dodge a REALLY SIMPLE solution but you don't have 5 minutes to do this? You were able to post pics of them for your ads so why is this such a hard concept to understand?

You know who hides things? A person who has something to hide.
 
Thank you, Shannon. That explanation is appreciated and your logic regarding a simple means of offering some evidence likely echoes in the minds of multiple folks reading this.

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Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 8:54 PM
To
[email protected]
Your fantasies are fascinating to me, Darik.

The last thing I bred were some elegans, the offspring of whom were sold to a local fellow with an appreciation for nice chelonians. He has local friends with interests and appreciation to match.

A hoarder would not sell things off, by the way, as a hoarder is governed by an effectively compulsive drive to accumulate.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Hypo CH/RF hatchlings

i do not believe your claims of having enough knowledge or skill to be successful breed anything , i don't believe that you really have sold the real het sunsethypos ,i do believe your are a hoarder of tortoises and reptiles and are overwhelmed and trying to dump a bunch of sick animals prove it otherwise to me ,your hole theory is that there is not enough sale's of hypos . you are not believable at any level and you have proved it with your careless actions . you have carelessly tried to smear my reputation and i suppose you want me to be real careful with yours.

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Darik apparently has an active imagination. The one thing I often mention to folks is how I seek to avoid becoming encumbered by too large a colelction because we have relatively harsh winters here for tortoises that mostly do not engage in brumation in their natural habitats.

As for the false assertion of not breeding, well, I explained it above. I sell all of my offspring these days and I resell roughly half or more of whatever I buy as I constantly configure and then reconfigure my projects, their numbers and sizes, and their directions to optimize for my plans and resources. I would imagine most keepers with a bit of size to their collections do the same.

For fun, here are four shots of some of the aforementioned elegans babies I was fortunate enough to produce here in late 2013. :) Not especially relevant, but they do refute the false claim (of many now, it seems) that I have not been successful breeding anything. There are other species (and a morph) that I also breed here and there, but this example should suffice.
 

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Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 9:15 PM
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[email protected]
Your perspective and rich fantasy life are rather fascinating, Darik.

Silent majority.... Hilarious.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:00 PM


you may have a few friends backing you on line and are feeling like a big man ganging up on me ,but the silent majority of people emailed me directly do not want to be bullied by you or want there reputations damaged by you .i can tell you that i am not afraid of you in any way .you are such a small person inside i do not see why anyone would be afraid to stand up to you . i think we have covered this story enough if you really have without editing these emails which i will check when i have time over the next week for everyone to see where you stand and where i stand . so i will not be returning or reading any more of your petty email . you can live in and have your dream world ,i have wasted all the time i am going to waste at this time .
 
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 9:19 PM
To
[email protected]
I would venture a guess that I know more than you about...pretty much...any matter of importance.

I am surprised a "nurse" would not know that. ;)

I must be blessed with clairvoyance, as I did just that just now.

lol

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:04 PM


sounds like you know more then me about hoarding , glad you got help , as far as your breeding something prove it ,i want proof ,why don't you prove it . if you did sell something i am sure you got it from some else and resold it ,you are a one trick pony , this is clear
 
pardalis games gone too long.

nickolasanastasiou said:
Nickolas Anastasiou Today at 9:15 PM
To
[email protected]
Your perspective and rich fantasy life are rather fascinating, Darik.

Silent majority.... Hilarious.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:00 PM


you may have a few friends backing you on line and are feeling like a big man ganging up on me ,but the silent majority of people emailed me directly do not want to be bullied by you or want there reputations damaged by you .i can tell you that i am not afraid of you in any way .you are such a small person inside i do not see why anyone would be afraid to stand up to you . i think we have covered this story enough if you really have without editing these emails which i will check when i have time over the next week for everyone to see where you stand and where i stand . so i will not be returning or reading any more of your petty email . you can live in and have your dream world ,i have wasted all the time i am going to waste at this time .
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That's right- X marks the spot as loudly on Sharron's post as on the little fella's carapace. Diversion is a game not rewarded here. Follow Shonnon's suggestion or the game is up.
 
I am online everyday and was as a longtime Kingsnake user for many years, (until I found out the owner had some bad business practices, whole other story)

But.... I can honestly say I had "never" seen a "visual" sunset hypo baby or juvenile, for that matter, for sale on Kingsnake, ever! Is there anyone out there that did see these animals Wanda was referring to??? Just very curious! Also, Wanda... still trying to be Switzerland here and give you the benefit of the doubt...

1. You never answered the question of why you would have not bred a 100% Het. Male Hypo's, that you produced 8 or 10 years ago, back to the Mother by now? Why was this not a goal of yours to begin with?Assuming the morph trait truly exists, the clutch result would have been 50% "visual" pink animals, and all the rest of the babies would be 100% het. for Sunset Hypo! So, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by doing this! That is the part I am having a very hard time with. Just for a moment let's forget about everyone else that purchased them, you should have proved this out by now. Then, one of your comments was a bit odd where you stated there should be some proof in the next "few years". I do personally know someone that has (3) 100%Sunset Hypo Males, and a 15 or 16 inch 100% Het. Sunset Hypo. Female. I will definitely drop them a line and find out what is going on with their project. Once again, I would also figure a breeder like yourself would have pictures of any visual offspring produced by one of you past customers. I certainly would being a Morph producer myself!

As much as I don't like to say it, things are definitely not looking to your favor right now. Especially, after years of selling and marketing these animals.
 
Walter1 said:
That's right- X marks the spot as loudly on Sharron's post as on the little fella's carapace. Diversion is a game not rewarded here. Follow Shonnon's suggestion or the game is up.
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Honestly. It takes some serious talent to misspell my name twice, two different ways in three sentences! Hahahaha:rofl:
 
On another note... I think it's time that anyone who invested into the project got together and readied a lawsuit for FRAUD. It's pretty clear here what is going on.... This person is going to continue making up nonsense to try and keep you all from banding together and taking action. See through the smokescreen!
 
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