Bad Guy Amanda & Mike Webb of The Pet Gecko

[hallowedone]

How long does it take for something like this to be dealt with? Is there a medication? I do not know a lot about it but it seems that its something that should take months before being 100% sure right?

 

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

How long does it take for something like this to be dealt with? Is there a medication? I do not know a lot about it but it seems that its something that should take months before being 100% sure right?

crypto is basically a death sentence not just for the one gecko, but to any others it has spread to in the meantime. It's not really something that is curable and all you can do is try to give them quality of life while they still have it.

 

[Kristi23]

How long does it take for something like this to be dealt with? Is there a medication? I do not know a lot about it but it seems that its something that should take months before being 100% sure right?

There is a possible cure, but nothing approved yet. For now, there is no cure for crypto and it does spread easily. If an animal in a collection has it, all animals need to be tested and everything it was in contact with should be tossed. It's possible to save a rack, but most people won't risk it. Ammonia, steam, and UV are the best ways to clean up.

 

[southernserpents28]

Funny Byron.. Nothing to say, because you know every single bit of it is true. The pic you posted from jan 28 yep looks just like the babies you bought and sold and about the right time frame of when you bought them and the geckos..you are as crooked and two faced as they get Byron. Like I said before I wasnt looking for redemption or forgiveness here, and for those that say I sold my rep for $60.00 there is a hell of a lot more to it than $60.00 of course someone like you Byron would just see the $ aspect of this. Sarah if a gecko was that heavily infected with vomiting and diarrhea then it would have
Been shedding the virus in its vomit and feces and they would have seen it in other parts of the GI
Tract, yes the small intestine was inconclusive, but it would have been seen in other
Sample areas, not because it replicated there, but because it passed through. Leading lab or not
There IS a margine of error and it was still not collected and sent by a vet. One leading place said positive, one said negative, that is not enough to justify stopping an entire business and running 10k in test.
My animals are healthy, reproducing and I have had no other reports of sick animals and no sick animals
Myself. I will still vend when/where I please, with proof my geckos are healthy regardless
Of if anybody here believes it or not. I still have lots of customers who even after reading this are still
Confident in my stock as well as promoters. Jadon you go ahead and print your flyers buddy, if I go we will see how long that would fly with any coordinator. My business will continue to thrive and if I personally am not at a show you can bet my animals are there somewhere since I wholesale a great deal to local stores and other vendors just like byron, doesnt look like I will sell to byron again, but he has bought, sold, and traded soo much with me that he had no room to talk here. Anyhow Ive got better things to do today than sit here and argue. I said what I felt I needed to say and today looks like a good day to sit in the sun and catch a few fish on my day off.

 

[Lucille]

One leading place said positive, one said negative, that is not enough to justify stopping an entire business and running 10k in test.

That of course depends on one's point of view. Buyers who have a collection of healthy critters are generally not going to want to take chances.

And it certainly establishes a measure of liability you may incur when you have refused to close down and test if subsequent possible future infections can be traced back to buyer's purchases from you after you knew of this positive.

I did like I said and sent off as many as I could affors

You've done your best to try to discredit the 'send-off' test positive result which was sent to a highly respected company, yet you are trying to convince readers about the health of your own collection using send-off tests? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

 

[favrielle]

Since this has not died down yet, and there is a lot of false stuff going around I feel the need to make a statement. First off I want to apoligize to the girl I cursed out. During the month of
Feb and early March I had multiple surgeries and should not have been making public statements at that time. It was a rough month.

If you *want* to apologize, you should. But in doing so, please remember that I am a human being, with a name other than "the girl", and that in addition to that, I was your customer. You did not call some random stranger on the street unexcusably foul names, you called me those names. Issuing a non-apology or two and making excuses for why you said those things isn't going to cut it. You need to take full responsibility for what you said, without qualification or justification.

But I need to point out a few things here.
Yes, this did not get handled well. But the fact remains that the gecko in question still has a
Negative autopsy report, and the positive was from a home test.

No, the gecko in question had an inconclusive necropsy report. "the presence or absence of Cryptosporidium cannot be evaluated" does not equal a negative result.

Now let me say right now, I can start posting proof of this stuff shortly if need be.

I can post pics of my microscope and slides and stains, Ill get my hard copy crypto test results in hard copy from my reptile vet who handles my health cerificates and post them soon with my health cerificate signed as well.

I already requested that you post your proof earlier in this thread, and my request still stands.


I am not going to get involved in the unrelated drama. I do not know most of the people who have posted in support here, and have no desire to get involved in whatever he-said-they-said mess seems to be behind your long tangent.

Yes this sucks this girls gecko died.

Why, yes, it does. "This girl" is still upset over it, and all of the mess that came after. And again, I have a name, Mike. As did the gecko.

I did offer to send meds at first. Would have been a pro biotic that is over the counter to re build benificial bacteria after getting wiped out by something like panacur.

Actually, your wife offered to send meds, unless you make a habit of talking to customers as if you were Amanda (saying things like "my husband can send...") without letting them know it isn't her typing. And nothing in the wording of "her" comments suggested the meds in question were a probiotic, though I suppose I'm willing to take your word for it.

And I still feel today that if she would have taken my advice she would have a hralthy gecko without crypto.

Again, Mike, *you* did not give any advice. Unless you were using Amanda's personal FB page yourself without my knowledge.

And I fail to see how any medication or advice you or Amanda gave me would have cured little Bella. She had Crypto. She had the symptoms AND a positive test through ABT. Did you ever avail yourself of the opportunity to call and discuss my results with Arne at ABT as I offered? If not, why not?

But with the variables given I can see how the home test could have been a false positive. Even with negative autopsy results nobody else can. About like taking a home pregnacy test and going to the doctor and finding out your not. That never happens either I suppose.

Your analogy here doesn't work. If the PCR were like a pregnancy pee-stick, it might be different, but the only part I was responsible for was collecting a sample of feces on a lab-provided swab, sealing it up in the lab-provided baggie, and shipping it directly to the lab for testing. Not exactly rocket science. A better analogy would be if I sent off a home-collected urine sample to a lab myself in order to test for pregnancy, rather than having them collect it in-office.

On a similar note, even IF you were correct and the home-collected test sample was suspect due to the location, you can not simultaneously discount my results because I collected the sample at home while presenting your own in-house stains/floats as fully valid and accurate. Either tests done and/or samples collected at home are valid, or they are not. Which is it?

Ill add more as needed to verify every single word of it.

Please do. Post all of your results, as you were asked upthread.

 

[favrielle]

if a gecko was that heavily infected with vomiting and diarrhea then it would have
Been shedding the virus in its vomit and feces

Cryptosporidium is not a virus, Mike. It is a parasite, a protozoan related to coccidia.

If you had read even just the abstract of the journal article I posted earlier in the thread (Proliferative Enteritis in leopard geckos... ) you would know your above statement is questionable at best. Even the professionals in the above study RARELY found lesions or parasites in the stomach or large intestine of infected geckos.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Please do. Post all of your results, as you were asked upthread.

I'm sorry but you'll all have to wait as his continued use of profanity (and name calling) has earned Mr Webb a temporary ban.

 

[MissFirefly]

Since this has not died down yet, and there is a lot of false stuff going around I feel the need to make a statement. First off I want to apoligize to the girl I cursed out.

"The girl" has a name. You come her claiming you want to "aplogize" and can't even bother to address Angela by her name? So, not only are you proving to be a jerk but in addition painfully lazy and quite possibly a misogynist as well. You really want to win back the public's favor, huh?

But the fact remains that the gecko in question still has a
Negative autopsy report, and the positive was from a home test. Highly effective but not 100 percent.

No, the FACT does not remain. The autopsy was inconclusive which maybe in your deluded thought process translates into negative but that is far from the truth.

After hearing about this, I asked Dr. Scott Adamski and Dr. Greg Mertz at the New England Wildlife Center in Weymouth, MA whether test results from the lab Angela used could be trusted (asked because I had sent samples in from a rescue I suspected had crpyto) and both told me I could trust the results just as I would from the lab they used.

Also, the "home test" you describe is exactly the same as the test you would use from a vet as you need to collect a sample to be sent out. If you don't collect samples at home to bring to your vet for testing can you inform us exactly how these fecal exams are supposed to happen?

 

[Kristi23]

Funny Byron.. Nothing to say, because you know every single bit of it is true. The pic you posted from jan 28 yep looks just like the babies you bought and sold and about the right time frame of when you bought them and the geckos..you are as crooked and two faced as they get Byron. Like I said before I wasnt looking for redemption or forgiveness here, and for those that say I sold my rep for $60.00 there is a hell of a lot more to it than $60.00 of course someone like you Byron would just see the $ aspect of this. Sarah if a gecko was that heavily infected with vomiting and diarrhea then it would have
Been shedding the virus in its vomit and feces and they would have seen it in other parts of the GI
Tract, yes the small intestine was inconclusive, but it would have been seen in other
Sample areas, not because it replicated there, but because it passed through. Leading lab or not
There IS a margine of error and it was still not collected and sent by a vet. One leading place said positive, one said negative, that is not enough to justify stopping an entire business and running 10k in test.
My animals are healthy, reproducing and I have had no other reports of sick animals and no sick animalsMyself. I will still vend when/where I please, with proof my geckos are healthy regardless
Of if anybody here believes it or not. I still have lots of customers who even after reading this are still
Confident in my stock as well as promoters. Jadon you go ahead and print your flyers buddy, if I go we will see how long that would fly with any coordinator. My business will continue to thrive and if I personally am not at a show you can bet my animals are there somewhere since I wholesale a great deal to local stores and other vendors just like byron, doesnt look like I will sell to byron again, but he has bought, sold, and traded soo much with me that he had no room to talk here. Anyhow Ive got better things to do today than sit here and argue. I said what I felt I needed to say and today looks like a good day to sit in the sun and catch a few fish on my day off.

You have had other reports of sick animals. Just none that have come back as definite crypto (yet).

And like others have said, this is not a "home" test. Avian lab is very accurate and the necropsy never said the gecko was negative. Inconclusive and negative are two very different things. I've stated before that even if it didn't have crypto, it was sick.

Angela has been way nicer and way more patient with you than I would have been. It's disgusting that you can't even use her name.

 

[Lucille]

My business will continue to thrive

I am thinking that is wishful thinking. You have two gigantic unresolved issues:

The first is the language you used to demean an innocent buyer who was showing concern for her critters. I believe many women will take issue with the particular words you used; and those women have husbands, fathers, and sons all who would also take issue.
It seems as if you are having difficulties even producing a decent apology, but apology or not, your actions will not easily be forgotten.

The second is your choice not to close down and test for crypto. As I said, and Angela also pointed out, you cannot use a double standard and discount the positive test result while using similar tests to try to clear the health of your stock.

The financial liability of not closing and testing your stock could be staggering.
Buyers may realize that they could incur similar liability. If you knew or should have known there might be a health question and if subsequently your untested collection comes up infected, you may possibly be held liable for damages. Buyers who bought from you knowing there might be an issue might be held similarly liable if they then became sellers and subsequently sold to innocent buyers if a possible crypto infection could be traced back.

 

[favrielle]

I'm sorry but you'll all have to wait as his continued use of profanity (and name calling) has earned Mr Webb a temporary ban.

Then I suppose we'll have to wait.

I hope to see those test results once your temporary ban is over, Mike. Though I assume Amanda is still free to chime in on her own account?

 

[Snake-Queen]

Then I suppose we'll have to wait.

I hope to see those test results once your temporary ban is over, Mike. Though I assume Amanda is still free to chime in on her own account?

That assumption would be correct.

 

[favrielle]

To add insult to injury, I was apparently given a one-star review on my FB page by Amanda Webb. I'm assuming I couldn't/can't see it because she has me blocked (still/again), but a friend (Jessica Botkin, who also adopted my first hatchling to be a pet/class pet) sent me this screenshot earlier today.

 

[Johnsonsblasting]

That takes a lot of nerve!!!! They really are pathetic!!!!


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos

 

[favrielle]

No need for name calling, Heather, though I will admit I'm rather frustrated and disappointed by it. I refuse to remove ratings from my page, though. It will stand as further proof of how this all went down.

 

[Johnsonsblasting]

Maybe true but I held back what I really wanted to say. Lol


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos

 

[Kristi23]

To add insult to injury, I was apparently given a one-star review on my FB page by Amanda Webb. I'm assuming I couldn't/can't see it because she has me blocked (still/again), but a friend (Jessica Botkin, who also adopted my first hatchling to be a pet/class pet) sent me this screenshot earlier today.

That is just pathetic and childish. I guess it's time for me to link this thread to my gecko page. This really pisses me off.

 

[Snake-Queen]

That is one of the most childish things I have seen in a while. I have to agree that is a pathetic attempt at discrediting you.

The fact that they continue to sell geckos, shows that all they care about is money.

 

[Kristi23]

It is now posted on my ghoulish geckos facebook page.