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Bad Guy Ian Curtis - Stolen African House Snakes
- Thread starter SincereArtisan
- Start date
anoles
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How much money in lawyer fees and court costs is Ian going to spend before he realizes that it would have been easier to tell the truth, give the snakes back or compensate her for his screw up?
Magic
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I am really really hoping he doesn't just try and move the snakes underground.
(If indeed he does still posses them!)
(If indeed he does still posses them!)
Guy Castro
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Some people are just that hard headed.
anoles
New member
So, no closure on this issue so far? The wheels of justice turn slowly here in the Land of the Free.
EXCLUSIVELY EXOTICS
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I saw the OP is selling her adult pair of house snakes. I sure hope this doesnt mean she lost all hope and giving up on the hobby. I hope this all got worked out
Magic
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Can you post a screen shot of that? So it's here permanently?
And has anyone told Sarah he has her snakes up for sale?
Magic
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Crap. I read that wrong! I thought he was selling her snakes--my eyes get tired after 18 hours!!!
That makes me sad that she is selling her collection off!
Flashpoint
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Read this entire thread over the past couple of days. It makes me sick to my stomach as a young herper new to the industry to see that there are people like this in the reptile world.
I will also mention that if it hasn't already been pursued yet, it is worth a try to talk to the previous phone company about seeing if they still have the texts between Ian's and Sarah's phone number in their system. I've seen it done before for numbers still on a company's plan but I know not if they can get old numbers from it. There are records of texts being sent, and usually you can also get what was said. Sarah, if your old phone company still has the dialogue between you two about the breeding loan it would certainly help your case be even stronger. As I have understood it, you lost the texts about the terms of the breeding loan when you switched service providers.
I wish the very best of luck to you, Sarah. I hope Ian gets what's coming to him, and that you can get some closure on this mess. Most of all I hope that your beloved snakes are still alive and well, and that you will be able to get them back, as well as anything you are owed. I know if I were in your shoes I would be struggling, and I don't know if I would have been able to keep my cool as well as you did.
I will also mention that if it hasn't already been pursued yet, it is worth a try to talk to the previous phone company about seeing if they still have the texts between Ian's and Sarah's phone number in their system. I've seen it done before for numbers still on a company's plan but I know not if they can get old numbers from it. There are records of texts being sent, and usually you can also get what was said. Sarah, if your old phone company still has the dialogue between you two about the breeding loan it would certainly help your case be even stronger. As I have understood it, you lost the texts about the terms of the breeding loan when you switched service providers.
I wish the very best of luck to you, Sarah. I hope Ian gets what's coming to him, and that you can get some closure on this mess. Most of all I hope that your beloved snakes are still alive and well, and that you will be able to get them back, as well as anything you are owed. I know if I were in your shoes I would be struggling, and I don't know if I would have been able to keep my cool as well as you did.
SincereArtisan
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Hi Everyone,
I wanted to let you all know again how much I appreciate you and your support throughout this entire ordeal. It has been nothing short of frustrating since Ian decided that he'd rather lie than come forward with my snakes and/or the truth. And hopefully this thread will continue to warn off anyone considering any transactions with him.
Yes, I'm still in the process of pursuing a case against Ian for the theft of my snakes. Whether they are still alive or in Ian's possession...well, only Ian knows for sure. But my hopes are not high in this regard.
If anyone out there has *any* idea, though, I'd really appreciate knowing. I think my actions here have represented me as a reasonable individual, and of course if Ian sold my snakes I'm not about to hold the buyers responsible. (I'm sure he'd be just as honest with them as he was with me.) So if anyone out there has a clue as to the whereabouts of my snakes, I'd really appreciate it.
And yes, I'm selling my Mentalis pair. After 4+ years of growing them up into beautiful adults, I was looking forward to breeding them one day. But losing virtually the other two thirds of the projects I took pride in and was looking forward to pursuing as an AHS keeper has been a hard hit to take. Every time I look at this pair I am reminded that they are all I have left, thanks to Ian. While it is good fuel for the fire, so to speak, as I seek justice in this matter...Its not a very happy/healthy state of mind to be swept up into every time I'm feeding/cleaning/caretaking. So, if there is some one out there who can truly enjoy this pair of beautiful snakes for a reasonable price, I'm willing to let them go to the right home.
I wanted to let you all know again how much I appreciate you and your support throughout this entire ordeal. It has been nothing short of frustrating since Ian decided that he'd rather lie than come forward with my snakes and/or the truth. And hopefully this thread will continue to warn off anyone considering any transactions with him.
Yes, I'm still in the process of pursuing a case against Ian for the theft of my snakes. Whether they are still alive or in Ian's possession...well, only Ian knows for sure. But my hopes are not high in this regard.
If anyone out there has *any* idea, though, I'd really appreciate knowing. I think my actions here have represented me as a reasonable individual, and of course if Ian sold my snakes I'm not about to hold the buyers responsible. (I'm sure he'd be just as honest with them as he was with me.) So if anyone out there has a clue as to the whereabouts of my snakes, I'd really appreciate it.
And yes, I'm selling my Mentalis pair. After 4+ years of growing them up into beautiful adults, I was looking forward to breeding them one day. But losing virtually the other two thirds of the projects I took pride in and was looking forward to pursuing as an AHS keeper has been a hard hit to take. Every time I look at this pair I am reminded that they are all I have left, thanks to Ian. While it is good fuel for the fire, so to speak, as I seek justice in this matter...Its not a very happy/healthy state of mind to be swept up into every time I'm feeding/cleaning/caretaking. So, if there is some one out there who can truly enjoy this pair of beautiful snakes for a reasonable price, I'm willing to let them go to the right home.
Chris Kennard
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This obviously has been an emotional experience for you. I would hate to think your decision to get rid of them might compound your ill feelings. You should consider keeping them. They're in good hands. Let them remain that way. Just my opinion. Happy Easter.
SincereArtisan
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Hey everyone...
Its been almost a year since this entire fiasco began, and I am heartbroken to say that I am no closer (and probably never will be) to getting my snakes back.
For a time following the legal actions we took, we heard nothing. A letter was sent to Ian's work place, and his house. We heard nothing. The "letter" Ian's lawyer sent me was a joke. Not only was there correction in ink on the letter itself, the address for his lawyer's office led to what appeared to be an empty property out in LaGrange, KY.
When his lawyer was contacted by ours, he quickly explained that this was nothing but a favor for Ian, that he himself had no idea that stolen property was involved, and that he would not be representing Ian any further in this case. (I'd love to share the letter, and I know a few of you have seen it, but it has too much personal info and addresses on it to post it publicly here.)
Our lawyers also discovered that Ian was being sued for an accident the previous summer, in which he had no auto insurance. To me, this meant that getting any money from Ian was probably going to be pretty difficult, if not impossible. Not to mention, he still kept dodging any and all attempts to contact him.
We pretty much believed my snakes to be dead. Why else would he avoid this so much?
In the process of trying to discover what happened to my snakes, we questioned the pet store he used to work at. We had a report that some one had purchased some albino AHS babies there, from Ian. The pet store owner vehemently denied this, and sort of panicked about the thought that there were lawyers involved, no matter how much we reassured him that we were taking actions against Ian, not the store.
However, this got the attention of one of the other employees. He ended up questioning Ian about this situation when he ran into him at WalMart, and he told us Ian literally just turned and walked away. Then, a month later when I was in picking up food, he was excited to inform me that his cousin visited Ian's house and saw my snakes. In addition to this, this employee also overheard Ian in the store bragging about how he "still has every one of 'em" to a couple friends. Finally, we had confirmation that my snakes were ALIVE!
But...
Despite the willingness of this employee to make a written and signed statement, and get one from his cousin, this was not enough to file a complaint/case against Ian in regards to his work. I spoke with a couple local officers, and they'd suggested trying to go through the system that accepts and deals with complaints against their government employees. But, despite my evidence, they insisted this was a legal personal matter between us and had nothing to do with him being a Metro Animal Services employee.
So, my only option would be to pursue this through civil court, like you see on Judge Judy. The chances Ian would show his face for that? Probably slim.
It basically boils down to the fact that he has them, and because he did not come into my house and take them, there is nothing I can really do about it. Even if a judge rules in my favor, there is nothing stopping him from getting rid of my snakes in the meantime, shrugging his shoulders, and saying he doesn't have them anymore.
It is very doubtful he has the money. Personally, I'd rather have my snakes back. The thought of bankrupting some one, even a low-life-lying-dirtbag like Ian, does not sit well with me.
So, at least one of us is going to be the adult in this situation. I hope no one has to encounter his tactics the way I did, and that is why this thread is here. I feel I have made every offer for peace and reconciliation, and when that was rebuked, taken every action I can possibly take within reason.
This was a hobby I have been in love with since I was 13, and my AHS project was one of my cherished babies. Those snakes are all I have left of that project, and animals I invested years of time, money, care and love into. This just goes to show how one scumbag can ruin all of that.
Ian, I hope you're reading this. I hope you realize that I'm not dragging this into civil court because I actually feel *sorry* for you, despite how much that makes my stomach turn.
But I cannot and will not let your reputation squeak away from this unblemished. Anytime some one searches your name on the BOI, they can see for themselves what sort of outstanding character Ian Curtis is, and what it means to do a breeding loan with you.
Its been almost a year since this entire fiasco began, and I am heartbroken to say that I am no closer (and probably never will be) to getting my snakes back.
For a time following the legal actions we took, we heard nothing. A letter was sent to Ian's work place, and his house. We heard nothing. The "letter" Ian's lawyer sent me was a joke. Not only was there correction in ink on the letter itself, the address for his lawyer's office led to what appeared to be an empty property out in LaGrange, KY.
When his lawyer was contacted by ours, he quickly explained that this was nothing but a favor for Ian, that he himself had no idea that stolen property was involved, and that he would not be representing Ian any further in this case. (I'd love to share the letter, and I know a few of you have seen it, but it has too much personal info and addresses on it to post it publicly here.)
Our lawyers also discovered that Ian was being sued for an accident the previous summer, in which he had no auto insurance. To me, this meant that getting any money from Ian was probably going to be pretty difficult, if not impossible. Not to mention, he still kept dodging any and all attempts to contact him.
We pretty much believed my snakes to be dead. Why else would he avoid this so much?
In the process of trying to discover what happened to my snakes, we questioned the pet store he used to work at. We had a report that some one had purchased some albino AHS babies there, from Ian. The pet store owner vehemently denied this, and sort of panicked about the thought that there were lawyers involved, no matter how much we reassured him that we were taking actions against Ian, not the store.
However, this got the attention of one of the other employees. He ended up questioning Ian about this situation when he ran into him at WalMart, and he told us Ian literally just turned and walked away. Then, a month later when I was in picking up food, he was excited to inform me that his cousin visited Ian's house and saw my snakes. In addition to this, this employee also overheard Ian in the store bragging about how he "still has every one of 'em" to a couple friends. Finally, we had confirmation that my snakes were ALIVE!
But...
Despite the willingness of this employee to make a written and signed statement, and get one from his cousin, this was not enough to file a complaint/case against Ian in regards to his work. I spoke with a couple local officers, and they'd suggested trying to go through the system that accepts and deals with complaints against their government employees. But, despite my evidence, they insisted this was a legal personal matter between us and had nothing to do with him being a Metro Animal Services employee.
So, my only option would be to pursue this through civil court, like you see on Judge Judy. The chances Ian would show his face for that? Probably slim.
It basically boils down to the fact that he has them, and because he did not come into my house and take them, there is nothing I can really do about it. Even if a judge rules in my favor, there is nothing stopping him from getting rid of my snakes in the meantime, shrugging his shoulders, and saying he doesn't have them anymore.
It is very doubtful he has the money. Personally, I'd rather have my snakes back. The thought of bankrupting some one, even a low-life-lying-dirtbag like Ian, does not sit well with me.
So, at least one of us is going to be the adult in this situation. I hope no one has to encounter his tactics the way I did, and that is why this thread is here. I feel I have made every offer for peace and reconciliation, and when that was rebuked, taken every action I can possibly take within reason.
This was a hobby I have been in love with since I was 13, and my AHS project was one of my cherished babies. Those snakes are all I have left of that project, and animals I invested years of time, money, care and love into. This just goes to show how one scumbag can ruin all of that.
Ian, I hope you're reading this. I hope you realize that I'm not dragging this into civil court because I actually feel *sorry* for you, despite how much that makes my stomach turn.
But I cannot and will not let your reputation squeak away from this unblemished. Anytime some one searches your name on the BOI, they can see for themselves what sort of outstanding character Ian Curtis is, and what it means to do a breeding loan with you.
thomas davis
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yeah that SUX
what a dirtbag. sorry but id simply go get my snakes. we do things different in texas, if I ever come to Kentucky I will go get them for you
. it is as simple as knocking on the door, screw lawyers. ,,,,,,,, thomas davis
what a dirtbag. sorry but id simply go get my snakes. we do things different in texas, if I ever come to Kentucky I will go get them for you
. it is as simple as knocking on the door, screw lawyers. ,,,,,,,, thomas davisHustle
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Aww Sarah.. I'm so bummed to hear this. I had been following this post since pretty much the beginning. It's nice to see there are still mature people in the world, however hard it may be.
Keep your head up!
(Though, I agree with Thomas. I'd ('like to') show up at the lil sh*ts house and get my dang snakes my self.)
Keep your head up!
(Though, I agree with Thomas. I'd ('like to') show up at the lil sh*ts house and get my dang snakes my self.)
Magic
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Sarah, your update makes me so sad.
I truly believe that in the end, life will dole out to him all the rewards he's earned for being just in general a crappy human being. I know good things will come your way and in a roundabout, make you whole.
If it helps, I send a hug all the way from Wyoming.
I truly believe that in the end, life will dole out to him all the rewards he's earned for being just in general a crappy human being. I know good things will come your way and in a roundabout, make you whole.
If it helps, I send a hug all the way from Wyoming.
JohnRougeux
Member
I was wondering what happened. I saw Ian at the last reptile show in Clarksville, IN.
I think there is a show this coming Sunday? You should make a shirt that says: "Ian is a liar and a thief."
I think there is a show this coming Sunday? You should make a shirt that says: "Ian is a liar and a thief."
Phew - worked myself through the entire 34 pages of this thread, expecting to see a happy ending and nada. This is pretty disheartening, but really not surprising looking at the photos of Ian himself. Technically this is still a young adult that has never learned about honor and integrity, and obviously dishonest and not all too smart either, not to realize that stuff like this will hinder his advancement in the world for the rest of his life - or for the very least, for years to come. Or perhaps just very secure in the Good Ole Boy system, that apparently is still alive and kicking in the KHS.
Very sorry to hear you are being the "bigger person" here Sarah, I'm not sure he deserves that nor appreciates this. And not taking him to small claims court [or the equivalent of this in your state] is letting him off easy. Do you feel sorry for him because he is broke courtesy to an uninsured car accident? It just shows that he still is not a responsible person and still has miles to go to get there, if ever. This kid needs some serious tough love, and letting him get off easy is not helping in any way, although I do understand that you are sick and tired of the entire scenario. I do comment you though Sarah, for being mature, adult and classy all the way through this.
Very sorry to hear you are being the "bigger person" here Sarah, I'm not sure he deserves that nor appreciates this. And not taking him to small claims court [or the equivalent of this in your state] is letting him off easy. Do you feel sorry for him because he is broke courtesy to an uninsured car accident? It just shows that he still is not a responsible person and still has miles to go to get there, if ever. This kid needs some serious tough love, and letting him get off easy is not helping in any way, although I do understand that you are sick and tired of the entire scenario. I do comment you though Sarah, for being mature, adult and classy all the way through this.
snakesareawesome
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According to this he's the VP of KHS. Have you tried going to one of the meetings or maybe other board members there to get this thing resolved?
TheLittleHeathen
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I too read this thread hoping to see that you got your snakes back. I can't honestly think of any reason other than being dishonest and lacking very much in the honor department for why someone would do this to another person.
The fact that he appears to now be the VP of KHS is appalling. How they can stand behind a thief is beyond me. No person in their right minds would support someone like him. That said, however, Karma has everyone's number. I have a strong feeling that it's just a matter of time before Karma comes about in its full and splendid glory soon on Ian.
I truly hope that you get your snakes back. It may seem improbable, but don't give up hope! =)
The fact that he appears to now be the VP of KHS is appalling. How they can stand behind a thief is beyond me. No person in their right minds would support someone like him. That said, however, Karma has everyone's number. I have a strong feeling that it's just a matter of time before Karma comes about in its full and splendid glory soon on Ian.
I truly hope that you get your snakes back. It may seem improbable, but don't give up hope! =)
Chris Kennard
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Every posy here should end with...sarah, awesome person, IAN...avoid like the plague!