Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs
Gregg Madden Joe Schmidt Chad Fuchs...etc
Below are some very interesting emails that I think everyone should read..for a long time I have tried to stay out of the drama found on forums and boards and just concentrate on my family and animals.. and for good reason as you will read below..
To Dan I could come on here saying all sorts of stuff etc.. but I am more hurt and let down to do that..I am simply just disappointed in you. I though we were friends.. I did a lot to help you and your family.
Gregg..here's your own emails right back at you...enjoy.
On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:50 PM, "Dan Krull" <[email protected]> wrote:
Anyway, on to money stuff. I don't know what your wholesale situation is, but I am planning to attend Anaheim, Arlington, and Tinley this year, as well as a couple of smaller shows: Omaha, Oklahoma City, and Minnesota.
If things go as they often do, I'll probably run out of snakes before I get through that show schedule, so I would love to get a wholesale box from you.
I'm thinking I can spare 10,000 for wholesale purchases. If I was to shoot you ten grand, what kind of package, minus my balance, of course, could you put together for me? Keep in mind, I move a lot more low end animals at shows.
Let me know,
Dan
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From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Fri 2/07/14 12:37 PM
To: [email protected] ([email protected])
Girl in San Antonio: 1300
Guy in Chicago: 450
Guy in North Dakota: 500 (possibly more, he's selling some geckos, lol)
Guy in North Carolina: 500 so far, but he always buys more. I'll keep tempting him.
Guy in Kentucky: 100 (says he'll see about more when his tax return gets here)
Scientist chick, looking for first snake: 100
Girl in San Antonio: 400 (maybe 300, maybe more, still haggling)
Local guy: 400
All but one is waiting on a tax return, and one is mailing me a check, and the local guy gave me cash.
Those are the ones I'm sure of... I also have some shoppers talking a lot, but not buying, and one dude who is looking for a buyer for a captive bred Madagascar hog. He wanted to trade with me, but I told him, I'm a Heterodon man. lol If you want a madagascar hog, I'll get it for you. lol
That's about 3,600.00 so far, and I haven't even posted on Kingsnake or fauna. I'm going to try dropping the prices a bit more. Plus, I'm owed about 1,500 by other dudes. One guy says he's going to have to pay me in snakes, but the other two will pony up the cash.
If you're patient, I'll get you your five grand in no time. I promise!
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From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Sat 1/18/14 3:27 AM
To: [email protected]
How does 5,000 sound to settle up? Sorry it took so long. busy week plus sicky poo. let me know if that works. sleep nw work in four hours. bleh
Dan
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From:
Hog Blog ([email protected])
Sent:
Thu 8/22/13 4:38 PM
To:
Justin Mitcham ([email protected])
I will. I'm going to send a bunch of information for you, actually.
THANKS,
Dan
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Justin Mitcham <[email protected]> wrote:
Got the cash, when you get a chance send me a breakdown showing purchase price and % commission paid/amount . I pay taxes on this stuff so I need a proper breakdown.
All the best
Justin
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: list
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
By the way, Anthony will get this package and open it before I get there, so don't include any pricing information in the box. I will price them accordingly myself. He is one of my best customers, and I'm guessing he'll end up buying some of the snakes. I don't want to muddy the water with thoughts of wholesale pricing if you know what I mean.
Thanks!
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Hog Blog <[email protected]> wrote:
These are retail prices based off of your website or guesses. What do you think?
2013's
0.1 red hypoconda for sale 3,500.00
1.1 purple line superconda $5,000.00 pair
1.1 Purple Line Toffeeconda $7,000.00 pair
1.0 Purple Line toffee 1,200.00
0.1 Extreme red toffee 1,000.00
1.1 Purpleconda 2,000.00 pair
1.0 Anaconda het snow 1,500.00
0.1 Axanthic Conda 3,500.00
adults
0.1 Pastel Pink 300-350 grams one in John berrys book 2,000
0.1 Extreme Red Toffee fantastic 350-400 gram animal 2,000
1.1 Het hypo 1,000
1.0 Yellow albino 3.2 million
0.1 Twin spot very nice perfect pattern 300.00
1.0 Twin spot albino very nice perfect pattern 500.00
Thoughts?
Dan
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From: Justin Mitcham ([email protected]) Sent: Tue 8/06/13 11:17 PM To: [email protected] ([email protected])
Hey man here's an opportunity. I have some high end hogs I need help selling. some purple line toffeeconda, red hypocondas , purpleconda and anacondas some supers too..you can have 40% of the sale as long as the price is near retail if it is less we can figure that out as we go. Some animals and prices on my site. I'll ship you the snakes you take care of biz and you pay me after the customer gets his animals and is happy.
All the best
Justin
817-305-3609
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Dan Krull
8/06/13
To: Justin Mitcham
Yes sir. I'll call you tomorrow from my wife's phone. I'm sorry I've been out of touch. We have been going through some rough financial times here. My phone and internet have been off for a while. I've been cleaning carpets for a friend of mine all through the college apartment turn, and have been sort of out of pocket. I was kind of counting on the hogs to pull me out of my funk this year, but I've just had the worst breeding season in my entire 15 years of working with snakes. Reality sucks when you're a farmer, I guess. Anyway... blah blah. I'll call you tomorrow and figure out shipping etc.
Sorry again for falling off the map. You have done me several favors this year, and I won't forget it. Talk soon.
Dan
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject:
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:14:02 -0400
Hey Dan can you call me please or email me let me know what's going on with the hogs?
From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Sat 3/15/14 2:29 PM
To: [email protected] ([email protected])
I got your text. I know you've been screwed over in the past, and you're afraid I won't pay you, but I assure you I am not of the same character as your former associates. I don't have anything to send you, but money. There are a few snakes left, all males, but the rest are spoken for. I'm sending you every dime from their sale. Fear not! As it comes, I'll send it to you as I have been. If you feel you're being treated unfairly, I will make it right. I just don't have the power to do so at the moment.
I just finished my business plan for 2014, and it is clear that if I want to hit my gross profit goal, I will need to purchase snakes from other producers. I would like that to be you, and I won't do anything to endanger our future business together. Of course, I'll pay for any further snakes up front, so we don't find ourselves in this position again.
I really appreciate your generosity. You helped me out when I needed it most. It says a lot about you that you are willing to trust people after the situations you've found yourself in. I just need you to trust me a little bit longer, and I promise I'll make it worth your time.
Dan
I like to point out Greggs partner is neither married, a biology teacher..or owns a reptile store...
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:06:32 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: Hognose Collection for Sale
To: [email protected]
Man=\ I had my wife take the day off tomorrow to be here for the animals. She works for the state and taking off another day isn't an option.this should make her good and fired up. I'm a biology teacher and run a specialty reptile store taking off a day is imposible this time of year especially with finals and breeding. Ill figure out a way to have someone here even if i need to have my worker close the store untill they arrival. Please send them out tomorrow for Friday. I need them as I stated.Thanks. On another note this arm break is more of an issue then we expected and I am going to unfortunatly have to pass on the axanthic male. as much as I need him i just can't do it with this now on the table. Would you please send the extra 100 sent through Paypal back?
Regards-Joe
Sent from my iPhone
Greggs
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292765
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/snakes/791512-some-more-jaguar-hognose-stuff.html
-----Original Message-----
From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Re: settle up
Sorry for not having a chance to call yet. Work has been pretty hectic the past
nine weeks and required some long days. If I don't get home at a decent time
tonight or tomorrow, I will call Saturday for sure.
Thanks,
Chad
---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
> call anytime, if I'm up I'll get it if not the phone will be on my desk and It
wont bother us if were asleep
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
> To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Sorry I didn't call last night, go stuck at the office. How late can I call
you?
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
> 817.305.3609
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
> To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:35 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Good Morning,
> Thank you for the email. Shoot me your # and I will call tonight or tomorrow
> ight and get things figured out.
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I emailed Joe a couple months ago to have you contact me directly about the
> nake issue. Did you get the message?
>
> I'm willing to work something out with you but I want to explain my position
> st. I wholsaled as is, as a favor 4 outstanding red n purple conda's poss
het
> > lbino for 1/2-1/3 there going rate, they were only a few weeks old weighed
> aybe 5-10g each if that, Were they shipped from 1. me to u , 2 then to your
> roker, 3then exported 4 deliverd to your customer all without being fed 1st?
> s
> his true? That's a pretty rough trip especially the exporting part. They had
> nly a few meals before I shipped that's all! The series of trips and time
> pent, is enough to stress them to the point of not feeding etc.. Unless I am
> issing something I am at a loss to why you are holding me responsible when
the
> > nakes have been through so many hands,places and even resold etc? I was not
> old what these animals would be subjected too and I am not surprised a bit
you
> > ad problem with them if this is actually what took place. They should of
been
> eld till fed and if that wasnt possible returned to me for a swap or refund.
> ut then again we havnt spoken directly either so I dont know what guarentees
> ou were given. I certainly dont offer guarantees other then live arrival and
> ed 3x when it comes to wholesale , I dont ship animals that havnt fed period.
>
> ent very nice animals to impress certainly didnt expect this.
>
> Another thing that continues to bother me...
> last year I bought 1.3 aneries supposedly from you , I recieved the
opposite
> > .1 with a deformed male. I was made to pay a premium for the female head
> ount,
> ithin minutes of recieving the animals I sent pics and notice that I would be
> hipping them back immediatly and needed a refund(I did return one to Joe
> irectly). Was basically told to keep them, that it would be made right.. I
had
> > o wait a year, take a "settlement" buy some hypos then return one and then
> oose the replacement, dissapoint my own customers for a second time etc..
> Why was I stiffed on shipping , in regards to the hypo sexing mistake..it's
> ot much but I dont think I should pay for your sexing mistake, I was told
that
> > would get a payment that never came and I mentioned it agian and no
payment,
> t's just a small amount but combined with whats going on it just makes things
> ore awkward. I lost the hypo you sent in the trade out, when I complained
that
> > oth werent feeding to Joe I was told that it had no guarantees and was
> traight
> ut of the egg..same hypo's I had to pay for to get back part of my anery
> redit? Then weeks later I am told I owe you money for animals not feeding??
> his double standard sucks man and is a hard thing for me to get past here.
> So if you'd like to work on this great, I'll send you two conda's this
> eason
> nd will expect a hypo in return. But I am unable to do anything if there's no
> ay for us to communicate.
>
>
> Also convey the below to Joe , I dont think it is possible to talk with him
> ithout fighting. And doing business with him just gets me into trouble with
> eople due to the "middleman " aspect , so to avoid this in the future I would
> ike him to send back my animals that are on loan. After the 10k in free
> nimals
> gave him last season and all I done for him in the past he shouldn't have a
> roblem returning my property in a civil manner with no arguing or insults.
>
> 0.1 red het hypo I sent on breeding loan that didnt produce last year, deal
> as for one year to his red hypo male he has no right to "demand to keep it
for
> > second year just because it slugged his 1st try"
>
> 1.1 tricolors I sent on loan + my part of any babies that were hatched out
>
> 1.0 mexican hog on loan I caught
>
> mine and my wife CD's we left at his house, would be nice if he would mail
> hem
>
> He knows the address will paypal shipping when I get a notice that there
> eing
> hipped.
>
>
> All the Best,
> Justin
>
Chad never calls or writes back..then short time letter I get this email from Joe
telling me he sold the Jag project I sent to him ON BREEDER LOAN to Gregg Madden and he basically kept all my snakes I sent him on loan or sold them over 10k
From: Joseph Schmidt <[email protected]>
Date: January 31, 2012 4:37:28 AM PST
To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
I sold half of the jag project to greg because I am trying to consolidate my projects. ( I just have so damn many)
He is fully aware that the arrangement with us and those animals is that you get half of the first clutch from each female as well as if he outcrosses the males. Even down to the point of you getting first picks on the baby's.
And you know that I lost that female don't be rediculace and start pulling shit like that because we are cighting what are you freaking 7??
The reason I didn't want to go look for her is because I had no idea where she was.
I drove from Reno till I was beat ass tired pulled over and got a hotel room cashin the middle of the night(just like we did a few times) about 11/2 away from the show.there is no way in hell I could have navigated back to where I was or lost her. I have explained this to you multiple times.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg
via Facebook from Alicia Maria Ogram Quoting Gregg..this is the source of Greggs quotes..
"See, now that is where the BS starts. The Jags were given to Joe for some condas. It was a breeding loan trade off. Justin sold the condas out from under Joe so Joe kept the Jags as payment. Then Joe sold me half of the Jag project and I eventually bought the rest out."
"-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg"
"From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: BOI thread???
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:58 -0400
I knew you would not start one. That is because you are aware that I know the entire REAL story behind the animals you SOLD to Joe. So, here is the deal. I own the entire project now. Joe did not want any snakes from your collection in his anymore and gave the rest of the project to me. Justin. I am not giving you a single snake. I do not owe you anything. You are not entitled to anything I produce. I never made a deal with you. However, I would be more than happy to sell you some jags at SLIGHTLY discounted price.
I realize you tend to get a bit pissed off when people do better than you in certain projects. But really Justin, it is not a reason to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum like some little kid who cant get his way. "
Below are some very interesting emails that I think everyone should read..for a long time I have tried to stay out of the drama found on forums and boards and just concentrate on my family and animals.. and for good reason as you will read below..
To Dan I could come on here saying all sorts of stuff etc.. but I am more hurt and let down to do that..I am simply just disappointed in you. I though we were friends.. I did a lot to help you and your family.
Gregg..here's your own emails right back at you...enjoy.
On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:50 PM, "Dan Krull" <[email protected]> wrote:
Anyway, on to money stuff. I don't know what your wholesale situation is, but I am planning to attend Anaheim, Arlington, and Tinley this year, as well as a couple of smaller shows: Omaha, Oklahoma City, and Minnesota.
If things go as they often do, I'll probably run out of snakes before I get through that show schedule, so I would love to get a wholesale box from you.
I'm thinking I can spare 10,000 for wholesale purchases. If I was to shoot you ten grand, what kind of package, minus my balance, of course, could you put together for me? Keep in mind, I move a lot more low end animals at shows.
Let me know,
Dan
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From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Fri 2/07/14 12:37 PM
To: [email protected] ([email protected])
Girl in San Antonio: 1300
Guy in Chicago: 450
Guy in North Dakota: 500 (possibly more, he's selling some geckos, lol)
Guy in North Carolina: 500 so far, but he always buys more. I'll keep tempting him.
Guy in Kentucky: 100 (says he'll see about more when his tax return gets here)
Scientist chick, looking for first snake: 100
Girl in San Antonio: 400 (maybe 300, maybe more, still haggling)
Local guy: 400
All but one is waiting on a tax return, and one is mailing me a check, and the local guy gave me cash.
Those are the ones I'm sure of... I also have some shoppers talking a lot, but not buying, and one dude who is looking for a buyer for a captive bred Madagascar hog. He wanted to trade with me, but I told him, I'm a Heterodon man. lol If you want a madagascar hog, I'll get it for you. lol
That's about 3,600.00 so far, and I haven't even posted on Kingsnake or fauna. I'm going to try dropping the prices a bit more. Plus, I'm owed about 1,500 by other dudes. One guy says he's going to have to pay me in snakes, but the other two will pony up the cash.
If you're patient, I'll get you your five grand in no time. I promise!
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From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Sat 1/18/14 3:27 AM
To: [email protected]
How does 5,000 sound to settle up? Sorry it took so long. busy week plus sicky poo. let me know if that works. sleep nw work in four hours. bleh
Dan
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From:
Hog Blog ([email protected])
Sent:
Thu 8/22/13 4:38 PM
To:
Justin Mitcham ([email protected])
I will. I'm going to send a bunch of information for you, actually.
THANKS,
Dan
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Justin Mitcham <[email protected]> wrote:
Got the cash, when you get a chance send me a breakdown showing purchase price and % commission paid/amount . I pay taxes on this stuff so I need a proper breakdown.
All the best
Justin
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: list
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
By the way, Anthony will get this package and open it before I get there, so don't include any pricing information in the box. I will price them accordingly myself. He is one of my best customers, and I'm guessing he'll end up buying some of the snakes. I don't want to muddy the water with thoughts of wholesale pricing if you know what I mean.
Thanks!
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Hog Blog <[email protected]> wrote:
These are retail prices based off of your website or guesses. What do you think?
2013's
0.1 red hypoconda for sale 3,500.00
1.1 purple line superconda $5,000.00 pair
1.1 Purple Line Toffeeconda $7,000.00 pair
1.0 Purple Line toffee 1,200.00
0.1 Extreme red toffee 1,000.00
1.1 Purpleconda 2,000.00 pair
1.0 Anaconda het snow 1,500.00
0.1 Axanthic Conda 3,500.00
adults
0.1 Pastel Pink 300-350 grams one in John berrys book 2,000
0.1 Extreme Red Toffee fantastic 350-400 gram animal 2,000
1.1 Het hypo 1,000
1.0 Yellow albino 3.2 million
0.1 Twin spot very nice perfect pattern 300.00
1.0 Twin spot albino very nice perfect pattern 500.00
Thoughts?
Dan
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From: Justin Mitcham ([email protected]) Sent: Tue 8/06/13 11:17 PM To: [email protected] ([email protected])
Hey man here's an opportunity. I have some high end hogs I need help selling. some purple line toffeeconda, red hypocondas , purpleconda and anacondas some supers too..you can have 40% of the sale as long as the price is near retail if it is less we can figure that out as we go. Some animals and prices on my site. I'll ship you the snakes you take care of biz and you pay me after the customer gets his animals and is happy.
All the best
Justin
817-305-3609
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Dan Krull
8/06/13
To: Justin Mitcham
Yes sir. I'll call you tomorrow from my wife's phone. I'm sorry I've been out of touch. We have been going through some rough financial times here. My phone and internet have been off for a while. I've been cleaning carpets for a friend of mine all through the college apartment turn, and have been sort of out of pocket. I was kind of counting on the hogs to pull me out of my funk this year, but I've just had the worst breeding season in my entire 15 years of working with snakes. Reality sucks when you're a farmer, I guess. Anyway... blah blah. I'll call you tomorrow and figure out shipping etc.
Sorry again for falling off the map. You have done me several favors this year, and I won't forget it. Talk soon.
Dan
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject:
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:14:02 -0400
Hey Dan can you call me please or email me let me know what's going on with the hogs?
From: Dan Krull ([email protected]) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Sat 3/15/14 2:29 PM
To: [email protected] ([email protected])
I got your text. I know you've been screwed over in the past, and you're afraid I won't pay you, but I assure you I am not of the same character as your former associates. I don't have anything to send you, but money. There are a few snakes left, all males, but the rest are spoken for. I'm sending you every dime from their sale. Fear not! As it comes, I'll send it to you as I have been. If you feel you're being treated unfairly, I will make it right. I just don't have the power to do so at the moment.
I just finished my business plan for 2014, and it is clear that if I want to hit my gross profit goal, I will need to purchase snakes from other producers. I would like that to be you, and I won't do anything to endanger our future business together. Of course, I'll pay for any further snakes up front, so we don't find ourselves in this position again.
I really appreciate your generosity. You helped me out when I needed it most. It says a lot about you that you are willing to trust people after the situations you've found yourself in. I just need you to trust me a little bit longer, and I promise I'll make it worth your time.
Dan
I like to point out Greggs partner is neither married, a biology teacher..or owns a reptile store...
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:06:32 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: Hognose Collection for Sale
To: [email protected]
Man=\ I had my wife take the day off tomorrow to be here for the animals. She works for the state and taking off another day isn't an option.this should make her good and fired up. I'm a biology teacher and run a specialty reptile store taking off a day is imposible this time of year especially with finals and breeding. Ill figure out a way to have someone here even if i need to have my worker close the store untill they arrival. Please send them out tomorrow for Friday. I need them as I stated.Thanks. On another note this arm break is more of an issue then we expected and I am going to unfortunatly have to pass on the axanthic male. as much as I need him i just can't do it with this now on the table. Would you please send the extra 100 sent through Paypal back?
Regards-Joe
Sent from my iPhone
Greggs
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292765
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/snakes/791512-some-more-jaguar-hognose-stuff.html
-----Original Message-----
From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Re: settle up
Sorry for not having a chance to call yet. Work has been pretty hectic the past
nine weeks and required some long days. If I don't get home at a decent time
tonight or tomorrow, I will call Saturday for sure.
Thanks,
Chad
---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
> call anytime, if I'm up I'll get it if not the phone will be on my desk and It
wont bother us if were asleep
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
> To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Sorry I didn't call last night, go stuck at the office. How late can I call
you?
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
> 817.305.3609
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <[email protected]>
> To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:35 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Good Morning,
> Thank you for the email. Shoot me your # and I will call tonight or tomorrow
> ight and get things figured out.
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I emailed Joe a couple months ago to have you contact me directly about the
> nake issue. Did you get the message?
>
> I'm willing to work something out with you but I want to explain my position
> st. I wholsaled as is, as a favor 4 outstanding red n purple conda's poss
het
> > lbino for 1/2-1/3 there going rate, they were only a few weeks old weighed
> aybe 5-10g each if that, Were they shipped from 1. me to u , 2 then to your
> roker, 3then exported 4 deliverd to your customer all without being fed 1st?
> s
> his true? That's a pretty rough trip especially the exporting part. They had
> nly a few meals before I shipped that's all! The series of trips and time
> pent, is enough to stress them to the point of not feeding etc.. Unless I am
> issing something I am at a loss to why you are holding me responsible when
the
> > nakes have been through so many hands,places and even resold etc? I was not
> old what these animals would be subjected too and I am not surprised a bit
you
> > ad problem with them if this is actually what took place. They should of
been
> eld till fed and if that wasnt possible returned to me for a swap or refund.
> ut then again we havnt spoken directly either so I dont know what guarentees
> ou were given. I certainly dont offer guarantees other then live arrival and
> ed 3x when it comes to wholesale , I dont ship animals that havnt fed period.
>
> ent very nice animals to impress certainly didnt expect this.
>
> Another thing that continues to bother me...
> last year I bought 1.3 aneries supposedly from you , I recieved the
opposite
> > .1 with a deformed male. I was made to pay a premium for the female head
> ount,
> ithin minutes of recieving the animals I sent pics and notice that I would be
> hipping them back immediatly and needed a refund(I did return one to Joe
> irectly). Was basically told to keep them, that it would be made right.. I
had
> > o wait a year, take a "settlement" buy some hypos then return one and then
> oose the replacement, dissapoint my own customers for a second time etc..
> Why was I stiffed on shipping , in regards to the hypo sexing mistake..it's
> ot much but I dont think I should pay for your sexing mistake, I was told
that
> > would get a payment that never came and I mentioned it agian and no
payment,
> t's just a small amount but combined with whats going on it just makes things
> ore awkward. I lost the hypo you sent in the trade out, when I complained
that
> > oth werent feeding to Joe I was told that it had no guarantees and was
> traight
> ut of the egg..same hypo's I had to pay for to get back part of my anery
> redit? Then weeks later I am told I owe you money for animals not feeding??
> his double standard sucks man and is a hard thing for me to get past here.
> So if you'd like to work on this great, I'll send you two conda's this
> eason
> nd will expect a hypo in return. But I am unable to do anything if there's no
> ay for us to communicate.
>
>
> Also convey the below to Joe , I dont think it is possible to talk with him
> ithout fighting. And doing business with him just gets me into trouble with
> eople due to the "middleman " aspect , so to avoid this in the future I would
> ike him to send back my animals that are on loan. After the 10k in free
> nimals
> gave him last season and all I done for him in the past he shouldn't have a
> roblem returning my property in a civil manner with no arguing or insults.
>
> 0.1 red het hypo I sent on breeding loan that didnt produce last year, deal
> as for one year to his red hypo male he has no right to "demand to keep it
for
> > second year just because it slugged his 1st try"
>
> 1.1 tricolors I sent on loan + my part of any babies that were hatched out
>
> 1.0 mexican hog on loan I caught
>
> mine and my wife CD's we left at his house, would be nice if he would mail
> hem
>
> He knows the address will paypal shipping when I get a notice that there
> eing
> hipped.
>
>
> All the Best,
> Justin
>
Chad never calls or writes back..then short time letter I get this email from Joe
telling me he sold the Jag project I sent to him ON BREEDER LOAN to Gregg Madden and he basically kept all my snakes I sent him on loan or sold them over 10k
From: Joseph Schmidt <[email protected]>
Date: January 31, 2012 4:37:28 AM PST
To: Asnakemann <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
I sold half of the jag project to greg because I am trying to consolidate my projects. ( I just have so damn many)
He is fully aware that the arrangement with us and those animals is that you get half of the first clutch from each female as well as if he outcrosses the males. Even down to the point of you getting first picks on the baby's.
And you know that I lost that female don't be rediculace and start pulling shit like that because we are cighting what are you freaking 7??
The reason I didn't want to go look for her is because I had no idea where she was.
I drove from Reno till I was beat ass tired pulled over and got a hotel room cashin the middle of the night(just like we did a few times) about 11/2 away from the show.there is no way in hell I could have navigated back to where I was or lost her. I have explained this to you multiple times.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg
via Facebook from Alicia Maria Ogram Quoting Gregg..this is the source of Greggs quotes..
"See, now that is where the BS starts. The Jags were given to Joe for some condas. It was a breeding loan trade off. Justin sold the condas out from under Joe so Joe kept the Jags as payment. Then Joe sold me half of the Jag project and I eventually bought the rest out."
"-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <[email protected]>
To: Justin extreme hogs <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg"
"From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: BOI thread???
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:58 -0400
I knew you would not start one. That is because you are aware that I know the entire REAL story behind the animals you SOLD to Joe. So, here is the deal. I own the entire project now. Joe did not want any snakes from your collection in his anymore and gave the rest of the project to me. Justin. I am not giving you a single snake. I do not owe you anything. You are not entitled to anything I produce. I never made a deal with you. However, I would be more than happy to sell you some jags at SLIGHTLY discounted price.
I realize you tend to get a bit pissed off when people do better than you in certain projects. But really Justin, it is not a reason to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum like some little kid who cant get his way. "
