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Inquiry Alterna Rush the movie, Small Scale Films, Dan Krull

Look, you wanted proof to support the fact that Dan sells snakes for Justin but denies it in the form of a screen shot, you got it. Straight from his own finger tips. The party in the blue bubble is not the one in question or the subject of the thread. So please, stop distracting from the actual topic and evidence presented.

Look, I wanted to you to clarify your (now three) versions of side claims against Dan, but you ignored that.

The rules here not allow for anonymous third party quotations, so please consider them.

There are multiple actual topics here because you introduced more beyond the original topic. If you did not want people to discuss additional claims, you should not have made additional claims. You have said that Dan sold snakes from Justin, sold snakes for Justin, and misrepresented snakes as being from his own production that were not from his own production.

We can see from the discussion that still seemingly violates the anonymity rule that he had snakes from Justin and may have sold snakes for Justin (I would have to see the entire conversation to be certain), but the claim that he sold snakes as being produced by himself when not produced by himself has not been supported by your evidence.
 
And yes, I have a serious problem with you Dan. It has everything to do with you scamming people and all your lies. Not to mention you selling other breeders hogs and telling people you produced them.

but the claim that he sold snakes as being produced by himself when not produced by himself has not been supported by your evidence.

I agree, I see no evidence to support that claim made by Gregg.
 
Actually, the quotation might not need both sides of the conversation, as I am not sure to what degree that rule extends (requirement of both parties versus just one). A moderator could surely add clarity there.
 
I agree, I see no evidence to support that claim made by Gregg.

Ok, so if Dan denies selling snakes for another breeder and he did not produce them himself, where did they come from? Did they fall from the sky into his racks? LOL.

Selling snakes for another breeder is not a bad thing. Selling them for another breeder and making it look as if you are the breeder by denying that you sell snakes for that breeder is a misrepresentation of the animals and yourself.

What I have posted clearly shows that Dan was selling snakes for Justin and denying it. It may not be good enough for you Lucille, but I am certain it is good enough for most.
 
Gregg, *you* specifically accused Dan of telling others he had produced snakes when in fact he had not. Please show exactly where he told someone he produced snakes that were not his.

There is a huge difference between simply selling someone else's snakes and misrepresenting that one produced them.
 
I also see mention of "donations" and "non for profit". Was small scale films actually a 503c organization?
 
Lucille, by telling others you do not sell snakes for other breeders implies that you are the breeder of the snakes you are selling. Do you agree with that? Is that not a dishonest misrepresentation of yourself and the animals you are selling?

He has posted Justins snakes for sale all over the net without a single mention of them being stock he got on consignment. I don't know what more you want. Will Dan ever adnit to selling Justins snakes and lying about it? I doubt it, but that seems to be what you are looking for Lucille.
 
Lucille, by telling others you do not sell snakes for other breeders implies that you are the breeder of the snakes you are selling. Do you agree with that? Is that not a dishonest misrepresentation of yourself and the animals you are selling?

That is not necessarily accurate and that is why the shifting of the claim(s) became more of a focus for some.

If I buy an animal from you and I resell it and I do not say I produced it and I do not say that you produced it, then I am implying nothing in the way of my having produced it as your train of thought went.

None of us discussing this with you are disputing whether or not Dan is a solid fellow or if the movie thing is a sore point that could have or should have been handled in a different fashion. The thing is you introduced claims that were inconsistent with each other and then was asked to defend what you introduced. The evidence you furnished supports parts of the things you said, but does not support what you inferred without better substance behind it as of now, so this inference leap makes other claims less easily trusted without the direct evidence. Dan is nobody to me and you are nobody to me just as I am nobody to him or to you, so your word alone is not enough. Also, the opined characterization of your personality style by Justin that you posted does you no great favors, as it makes you look like you became bored and were itching for a fight to pick.

If a guy does something crappy to others, by all means draw due attention to that poor behavior, but there is not justice for those others by "imagineering" other inferred offences that may not have occurred just so you get to enjoy a piling on sort of mood. If anything, it can cause the pendulum to possibly swing the other way.
 

Your original accusation did not contain the word 'imply' at all.

Not to mention you selling other breeders hogs and telling people you produced them.

Gregg, your credibility is not looking good. I think you made up accusations. were surprised that you were called out to prove them, and cannot do so, because they were made up.
You are backpedalling and trying to construct implications, but what you said was that Dan actually told others he produced these snakes.
 
Your original accusation did not contain the word 'imply' at all.



Gregg, your credibility is not looking good. I think you made up accusations. were surprised that you were called out to prove them, and cannot do so, because they were made up.
You are backpedalling and trying to construct implications, but what you said was that Dan actually told others he produced these snakes.

Look, whatever you want to say Lucille. I put the proof up that Dan is dishonest and lies through his teeth. Everyone else can take from it what they like. If you can not see the shady behavior from what I have posted, that's your own problem. My credibility is just fine. I am not the one who lied to anyone. I did not scam people and not deliver a product they paid for. You can try and twist this like you always do Lucille, but it still does not make what Dan does any better This is a forum, not a court of law.

Here is a quick question for you and I am done with this as I do not feel any more evidence is needed.

From the screen shots I have posted, do you not see that Dan lied about selling snakes for Justin?
 
I am not backpedaling. I stand by what I said. Dan sells snakes for another breeder but denies it. So if he is selling snakes for someone else and is denying it, whos snakes is he selling? Simple question that has a simple answer. Why are none of you concerned with the fact that Dan has not addressed the discrepancies posted in this thread?

Well, I am done and feel I have done enough to expose Dan for what he truly is.
 
Ok, here it goes. I was given permission to post these.

Who is the person that made the statements in blue? That is what you need to clarify (or have that person come vouch for the statements) otherwise it's anonymous which you were already warned about.
 
Who is the person that made the statements in blue? That is what you need to clarify (or have that person come vouch for the statements) otherwise it's anonymous which you were already warned about.

Why is who it was important? The screen shot does not need to be vouched for. These are screen shots where Justin clearly made a statement and where Dan clearly made a statement. The words are their own and not adlibbed. These are legit screen shots. Why are you guys so bent on distracting from the actual subject? It is what it is. You can either protect and side with a scammer, or take what is written in black and white for what it is.
 
Because it is a rule for posting on the BOI. I suggested before and am advising you again to review the rules for posting:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8880

I have but the conditions of me being able to post the screen shots was that I was not to bring them up in this thread. The fact that this person is not being named does not take away from the direct quotes of both Justin and Dan. It still shows Dans shady behavior and dishonesty really well.

I have been warned and from this point on, I will not post any screen shots unless the 3rd party is named.
 
Again, this is not about me. I am not the one who lies to people and sells products that I do not have. That is what Dan does and that is what this thread is about. I made my claims and proved my points. If what I have posted is not good enough, I don't know what else to tell you.
 
I am not the one who lies to people

Yes. You are. You were caught saying one thing and backpedalling after you were called on it.
Your credibility is gone. Now you are flailing about, pointing elsewhere, all the old tricks to try to divert attention from that fact.

Well, I am done
Another lie, you will continue to flail here. Those who announce their exit always come back.
 
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