Inquiry is usark scamming the reptile industry

[rodneynboalich]

Sb310 passed because the exotic industry didn't stick together

 

[ElexisC]

Sb310 passed because the exotic industry didn't stick together

During that time I didn't have reptiles, I didn't know any of it was going on. I had a ton of stuff going on in my own life. I started out with a rescued ball at 14 and had many reptiles and species over the years but I was dealt a crushing blow that took many years to recover from so for that I'm sorry I wasn't there to help fight for ohio. And honestly the permits for these animals, maybe they aren't getting them because the enclosures don't meet the guidelines and they can't get the permits?

If you're so concerned about ohio's regulations what are you doing to lessen them? Doesn't seem like anyone is. I would but I don't have the Financials or even the know how to go up against something like that. I didn't look at the other animals because right now all I care about is how I'm going to legally keep my rescued retic that I've fallen in love with. I would rather do it legally than have to hide him, someone see him and end up getting him destroyed. I don't like having to buy dog licenses every year but if I want the system to leave my pits alone I gotta do it. At least it's not the ridiculous regulations that idiot Jack Hannah wanted.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/northeast-ohio/2015/01/22/archie-the-bear/22197173/

there's a couple who were told they were grandfathered in, yet are now being faced with losing their pet. After being told that if they had up to date permits prior to 2012, they were ok.

i may never want to own a bear or tiger or chimp, but I'm not going to say someone shouldn't or can't.

 

[HerpVenue]

.oh and for the record you people have no one to blame but yourselves for what has happened to the industry. .you all did this with your stupidity and your willingness to follow like sheep, to afraid to think.

You want to know why rodney is blaming USARK? because USARK is the only game in town. Even rodney's little group that is headed by his dear friend terry can't take the blame for anything because they did nothing. But I am sure if things went their way they would have found a way to take credit. As you can see rodney is back. is he doing anything constructive? nope.

 

[HerpVenue]

...the future of the industry isn't looking good and it's all riding on usarks lawsuit. ...if they lose that lawsuit it will most likely end usark and we will be right back to square one with no organization to fight for us..

and here we go. even rodney admits USARK is the only game in town. So why does he talk badly about the only game in town? Off his meds? he admits to getting along with the USARK president but continues to bad mouth USARK? Choose a side already. You can't take both sides and then say I told you so when one of your sides win. You can't say USARK did not do a thing and then not do a thing yourself. You can't fight legislation in your state and blame USARK when you lose. What has your buddy Terry done? We hear so much about what USARK has not done. What has your buddy Terry's group done?

Rodney, you said no one is donating to USARK? How about you google "USARK Defense Fund". You will find a list of donators that are donating to the fund. That is not even counting donations to the fund itself.

What have you done besides talk badly about usark?

Sb310 passed because the exotic industry didn't stick together

So the guy admits USARK is the only game in town.
The guy rips into the community that supports usark making sure that they do NOT "stick together".
Then the guy blames the community for not sticking together.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

He already said at this point he doesn't have an issue with how it's run currently. After reading the whole thread, it seems he was attacked for saying there was a fox in the hen house. Now, he's getting it because the fox *was* in the hen house and no one heeded his warnings, as if that were his fault.

 

[ElexisC]

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/northeast-ohio/2015/01/22/archie-the-bear/22197173/

there's a couple who were told they were grandfathered in, yet are now being faced with losing their pet. After being told that if they had up to date permits prior to 2012, they were ok.

i may never want to own a bear or tiger or chimp, but I'm not going to say someone shouldn't or can't.

Seems to me they knew the laws were changing, didn't bother to research what those laws were so they're saying "THEY" never told us. Even if grandfathered in they would still need the permits. That whole story doesn't sit right with me. Even the ODA says they didn't comply, how is that ODAs fault? I've been in contact with the ODA twice now to find out what I need BEFORE Tyson hits 12ft so I can keep him legally.

Like I said I don't know how to fight something like that and is it true USARK is only trying to remove the other reptiles from the Lacey act before trying to stop them from adding the new ones? I don't recall anyone saying anything about them fighting both things. I'm just curious.

 

[rodneynboalich]

He already said at this point he doesn't have an issue with how it's run currently. After reading the whole thread, it seems he was attacked for saying there was a fox in the hen house. Now, he's getting it because the fox *was* in the hen house and no one heeded his warnings, as if that were his fault.

Dude don't even waste your time trying to talk to this guy...he has no clue about who was going on 3 to 4 yes ago and I see he still doesn't. ...he use to give.me a hard time on here.. he was always defending wyatt...As for blaming usark..it's not really about blame as I stated before.. it's about the lack of accountability. .no one at usark has ever publicly apologized for sitting back and doing nothing about wyatt.. it wasn't until wyatt called Ken foose a baby rapist and almost got the whole usark board sued did the do something about wyatt
..the board tried to fire wyatt. .but being that they were totally clue they didn't realize they couldn't fire wyatt because he owned usark. .Bagnal had to buy usark from wyatt for over 100000..

I'm not choosing two side I'm just pointing out the issues. ...and iv fought every anti reptile bill in my state with no money and no support from the industry. ..and the reason iv been successful is because iv kept usark and more importantly pijac out.....I also stopped PAark. .which wyatt and Larry Kent on secretly set up. ...I I burnt wyatts bridge with pa senator alloway.. which is the guy wyatt was pushing to purpose anti reptile legislation. ....once I was able to stop the people with in the industry pushing for regulations in my state stopping bills became very easy

Don't think my methods work...how many anti reptile bills have passed.in pa...last session pa didn't have a single anti reptile bill purpose because I fought them so hard the session before ...and we probably won't have any this session. .but he we do I'll deal with it..for free

 

[rodneynboalich]

Why doesn't usark come on here and talk about pass mistakes and about the new direction they are heading. ..if usark wants support maybe they need to explain why they should get it....As I said I like phil..we get along...usark having a president that's open and willing to talk to people is a start. But it's far from a total solution. ...

The industry is still just as disorganized and uninformed. ..that's probably the biggest issue that needs corrected.. we can't move forward with a plan if everyone has a different plan

 

[HerpVenue]

He said there was a fox in the hen house? No. He said the hen house is a fox den in disguise. He was asked for proof but provided none. He does not mind the hen house now but continues to cry about it. He says no one is donating to the hen house but when presented with proof to the contrary, he ignores it. He says we should all unite under one hen house but continues to talk badly about the hen house. The same one that he just got done saying he does not have a problem with. If he does not have a problem with the hen house, why did he resurrect the thread? He still talking all this talk with no proof. His bestie Wilkins is based in ohio. He claims Wilkins never lost. Well yeah. If you take credit for wins and place blame elsewhere for losses then yeah "you never lost".

 

[HerpVenue]

He says stuff like we need to unite and the drives a wedge through the only organization big enought to unite us all. He talks in riddles and will come back with I told you so. Okay he likes phil. So let's get the ball rolling in the right direction instead of planting seeds of contepmt.

 

[HerpVenue]

Lol. Here in arizona. I fought against a ban on dinosaurs. I fought so hard that they did not introduce one last year and probably won't introduce one next year. What is my proof That I did all this all by myself with no money? Well we didn't ban dinosaurs.

 

[HerpVenue]

I was going to rip you a new one with all your double talk of I like them but i will continue to talk poop about them. They lost in ohio but didnt. This happened but not really. But alas, like they say in communications 101, everyone perceives things differently. I may think the sky is blue, but you may not think so.

But I will leave it at this. Do you want to waste your time arguing or do you want to work with others like an adult and do something positive?

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

Seems to me they knew the laws were changing, didn't bother to research what those laws were so they're saying "THEY" never told us. Even if grandfathered in they would still need the permits. That whole story doesn't sit right with me. Even the ODA says they didn't comply, how is that ODAs fault? I've been in contact with the ODA twice now to find out what I need BEFORE Tyson hits 12ft so I can keep him legally.

Sounds like you are doing what they did, by contacting ODAto find out what they needed, yet they were told one thing and ended up being shafted. They station who did the article states they saw the previous permits which showed they were in compliance with the pre 2012 standards. So, essentially, they were told they were grandfathered in, told they didn't need to renew their permits and are now being told they aren't in compliance.

That's a big issue. In what you posted, it gives one enclosure height. In a different section of the code, which I posted in the other thread, there is a section that states compliance with ZAA regulations is required. So, it's all gonna come down to the specific agent that comes to inspect your enclosure and what they deem is the proper regulation. (To give an example from my state, pending in which agent you ask, false water cobras are either legal or illegal. By code, though, *any* venomous is illegal. Hognose snakes are legal, yet should be illegal if the FWCs are considered illegal. How do you know when one person says "a" and another says "b", when both are fish and wildlife officials?)

 

[ElexisC]

Sounds like you are doing what they did, by contacting ODAto find out what they needed, yet they were told one thing and ended up being shafted. They station who did the article states they saw the previous permits which showed they were in compliance with the pre 2012 standards. So, essentially, they were told they were grandfathered in, told they didn't need to renew their permits and are now being told they aren't in compliance.

That's a big issue. In what you posted, it gives one enclosure height. In a different section of the code, which I posted in the other thread, there is a section that states compliance with ZAA regulations is required. So, it's all gonna come down to the specific agent that comes to inspect your enclosure and what they deem is the proper regulation. (To give an example from my state, pending in which agent you ask, false water cobras are either legal or illegal. By code, though, *any* venomous is illegal. Hognose snakes are legal, yet should be illegal if the FWCs are considered illegal. How do you know when one person says "a" and another says "b", when both are fish and wildlife officials?)

I posted everything regarding ohio's regulations. Do I need to post it all again in one comment? It says follow ZAA standards of care. I will go back over it again, but the Ohio revised code says no less than 12 in in height for terrestrial restricted snakes. The guy who does the inspections told me himself that is what he goes by. Many people in ohio have permits for the large snakes. So tell me how they got them if they don't want us to have them? Of course the big mammal regulations are going to be even more strict since they have teeth claws and a ton more strength and can do way more damage than and snake.

 

[ElexisC]

Any snake*

 

[ElexisC]

I read over the regulations regarding the caging, the ohio revised code basically says the main points the ZAA does, only it separates the terrestrial from arboreal and gives the limits on each. I will follow what the ohio revised code says, and if they come out to inspect and say it's not good enough then I'll build an enclosure that is 6.5 ft tall. But as far as I know no one in ohio had a 6.5 ft tall snake cage for a restricted species, I would assume that's for arboreal snakes. The ZAA pdf file is not clear on what speciesies, just says large constrictors, doesn't say this is for terrestrial or arboreal. If I need to I will contact a lawyer who can interpret it better for me.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

*shrug* outside of showing you that they've said one thing to keepers then done another, showing you they have the ability to say the ZAA regulations outweigh the restricted snake regulations and giving you a personal example from my state, I can't really do much more. Just don't be surprised if the agent at your door doesn't echo the one on the phone.

 

[rodneynboalich]

I was going to rip you a new one with all your double talk of I like them but i will continue to talk poop about them. They lost in ohio but didnt. This happened but not really. But alas, like they say in communications 101, everyone perceives things differently. I may think the sky is blue, but you may not think so.

But I will leave it at this. Do you want to waste your time arguing or do you want to work with others like an adult and do something positive?

If you wish to do something positive then stop coming on here and running your mouth...you have no idea about any of this.....your not even taking the time to read what's been said.. I'm talking about mistakes that were made and people like you that chose to ignore the issues. ...I've showed proof of wyatts nonsense before and you and the rest Made excuses for him...I showed you all how he was spending the Donations on hotels and airlines. And you said it was ok....I can't help it if you choose to ignore reality...

Terry did try to sue the state of Ohio with OAAO...but they had to drop the case for lack of funds

You think I talk in riddles. . I Can't help it you don't know enough about this stuff to understand what I'm talking about. ...you know nothing of pijac getting paid by narbc to push Regs in ohio....you know nothing about Ken foose keeping quiet about tinly so wyatt could continue with his totally unnecessary hr511 hearing. ...you know nothing about executive order 13112 that formed the NISC..or how the members of that council are also agents of the same agencies that the council over sees and authorized to do executive order listing of species to the lacey act with no judicial process. ..or how wyatts tactics forced the secretary of the interiors hand to do an executive order to list burms......you know nothing of usark just walking away from the issues in Ohio and how they need offered to help fight the bill once it passed....you know nothing of PAark and the length wyatt went to to try and push me out of the legislative fight in PA. .. you know nothing of wyatt stopping positive reptile legislation in IL in 2012 with the help of brian potter. ..you k own nothing of wyatt pushing for banning importation of large constrictors. ...you know nothing. .....

and you say I need to do something positive. .at least iv educated myself to the issues. ...al you have ever done is follow blindly and run your mouth. ..notice you don't have a bunch of people backing you this time. ..notice how non of the mods are criticizing me this time....notice how everything I said about wyatt turned out to be true. ....notice how all you can do is call me names or say I talk in riddles yet you can't offer up any useful information about legislation. how the legislative process works . Or give any real details about any issues. Specific bills or what's going on right now with legislation. ...why is that. . It's because you don't know anything outside of your little world of nonsense...

you really want to square off against me about legislation and similar issues. OK great...why don't we do that.. let's see what real insight you have into these issues. ..let's see who can offer up more factual information about anti reptile legislation and the fight against it....

your such a joke when wyatt said hr511 was a theart you believe him...you were probably like the other idiots sending vote no emails to legislators. ...because you believe wyatt that hr511 could become law...it was impossible when it was a lame duck session.. the hearing was held by a subcommittee which only vote whether or not to have a full committee hearing. And don't forget the knowing clause that was added to hr511 when it passed out of the house judiciary committee in February of that year which made Fws run from the bill because it would have made liable to prove intentionality in breaking the interstate transportation law...

but you know what your talking about when it comes to these issues rights. . I'm the idiot that's clueless and uninformed right..I'm the one talking in riddles right.. because you know what's really going on right. .

Since I'm clueless and you know so much maybe it's time you explain to everyone what's going on....

from now on I will direct all people and their questions concerning legislation issues to you...and I get asked a lot of questions. ...so from now on you can answer them all

 

[ElexisC]

*shrug* outside of showing you that they've said one thing to keepers then done another, showing you they have the ability to say the ZAA regulations outweigh the restricted snake regulations and giving you a personal example from my state, I can't really do much more. Just don't be surprised if the agent at your door doesn't echo the one on the phone.

No you gave a news article, which we all know the media twists facts and lies, like the people trying to keep their animals aren't going to lie, obviously they didn't research what those laws would be, I don't believe they were told they didn't need a new permit, being grandfathered in doesn't male you free of permits when they had permits prior?? Yea nothing about that adds up to me.