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Bad Guy Ember gecko....
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nlcoe
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nlcoe
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Sorry about that I can't see what I am uploading ..... This is my reply this time .....
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kouneli
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Just what is he afraid of? Why can't he disclose the exact genetics behind your "EmberGlow"? It sounds like he's not telling you if it's actually het MP because he probably hasn't kept good enough records to even know if there is any MP in his breeding lines. But I am VERY curious to know what HE calls "ember" and why it's so different from the true embers. If he's stating that you can just breed the "emberglow" as you would a tremper albino, then why not call it a tremper? What hets does it have?
wickedleos
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Leos can change Color and patterns once they malnourished. She could be the Female in the Picture but REGARDLESS it doesn't matter, this is not how people should do business. This poor Baby is clearly very malnourished and should not be shipped since shipping is so much more stress on them. I am very sorry you had a bad experience i hope that atleast one Leo pulls through.
Kristi23
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He did state that there isn't MP in his embers. I believe he's referring to patternless as in patternless stripe in raptors. If that is the case, he is not selling embers at all. They can't be ember without MP.
wickedleos
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( sorry this was suppose to go to your other threat not sure why it posted to this one)
Pasodama
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It seems that James does have Murphy Patternless in his collection of individuals/breeders.
However, it appears that his "Emberglows" may, or may not, have Murphy Patternless in their genetics. That is because it appears that James' "Emberglows", while they may have started out with Murphy Patternless in them, are based upon selective breeding, for certain phenotype/s, and not, necessarily, for genetics (though, of course, genetics do play a certain role).
IOW One could start out the breeding with Murphy Patternless and Hypo/Super Hypo (plus Tremper Albino, maybe eclipse, etc.). From there, progeny are selected for their phenotype and not based upon whether, or not, it carries Murphy Patternless. Breed, and phenotypically select, these long enough and a certain gene (i.e. Murphy Patternless) simply gets lost, in the mix, where some individuals may carry Murphy Patternless, as a het (think "throw back"), but many (most?) do not. Hence, the reason why it is (as stated on website) best to breed an "Emberglow" to another "Emberglow" (to get the desired phenotype/s). Also why James states to just treat/breed them in the same manner as Tremper Albinos.
"Emberglows" may have certain genetics but, mostly, they are a type and bred for that type... with Tremper as the base.
This is my take, on it, anyway.
If this is the case, it is my opinion that Ember should not be a portion of their ("Emberglows") name since it can be misleading. Whether intentional or not.
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However, it appears that his "Emberglows" may, or may not, have Murphy Patternless in their genetics. That is because it appears that James' "Emberglows", while they may have started out with Murphy Patternless in them, are based upon selective breeding, for certain phenotype/s, and not, necessarily, for genetics (though, of course, genetics do play a certain role).
IOW One could start out the breeding with Murphy Patternless and Hypo/Super Hypo (plus Tremper Albino, maybe eclipse, etc.). From there, progeny are selected for their phenotype and not based upon whether, or not, it carries Murphy Patternless. Breed, and phenotypically select, these long enough and a certain gene (i.e. Murphy Patternless) simply gets lost, in the mix, where some individuals may carry Murphy Patternless, as a het (think "throw back"), but many (most?) do not. Hence, the reason why it is (as stated on website) best to breed an "Emberglow" to another "Emberglow" (to get the desired phenotype/s). Also why James states to just treat/breed them in the same manner as Tremper Albinos.
"Emberglows" may have certain genetics but, mostly, they are a type and bred for that type... with Tremper as the base.
This is my take, on it, anyway.
If this is the case, it is my opinion that Ember should not be a portion of their ("Emberglows") name since it can be misleading. Whether intentional or not.
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Pasodama
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I just went to look at his "Embers". It does state that his "Embers" are based on Tremper Albino.
So, it appears that, while he may have some MPs, not even his Embers necessarily carry MP!
Despite descriptions, again, using the name "Ember" can be misleading. Whether intentional or not.
JoulesBurn
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They say Tremper Bloodlines. The Ember page also has this:
'History: The Ember was first created by Garrick De Meyer in 2007.'
Wouldn't this imply that there should be MP patternless in the line even just as a possibly carried het? Then those being crossed with sunglows seems to be the gist, but there seems to also be evidence of eclipse in those lines.
These explanations are also extremely convoluted without ever getting to the point of the genes behind them or possibly carried hets, yet explain the crosses he did in order to produce them? Seems odd considering the recent e-mail screen capped recently talking about 'trade secrets'. The genetics are a 'trade secret'? He even evoked the Galaxy as an example, which people know the genetics of.
Then on the available listings the 'genetics' section on each one basically state that you should just breed them together and not use them in other ways. This feels like the whole 'trade name' thing taken to an extreme. No thanks.
Pasodama
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True enough. The website does state Tremper bloodlines/genetics.
James also went on to say the following, here, in this thread:
Pasodama
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Bottom line is that James' "Embers" cannot be true Embers since they are based on Tremper Albino/genetics and not for carrying Murphy Patternless.
JoulesBurn
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I'd be curious what makes this an Ember line if there was no MP in it and not just a Sunglow Raptor project.
Pasodama
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Pasodama
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You & me both.
Only explanation, that I can come up with, is something along the lines of my theory. That James' project may have started with some true Embers, which could explain why he named them "Ember"/"Emberglow, but that he continued a selective breeding structure based more along type, & Tremper, while disregarding Murphy Patternless (and still kept the Ember name).
If not that, I have no idea why he named these project animals as "Ember"/"Emberglow".
Regardless, of how it all came to be, James should have named them something else if his "Embers"/"Emberglows" are not homozygous, or at the very least end, het Murphy Patternless.
Seems unlikely that James will explain though.
Kristi23
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That's the thing. Even if his embers did have MP, the first generation babies would all be het MP. When breeding again, there should have been at least some MP in them. But he then states that his embers don't have MP. If they don't have MP, then they are not embers. There's really nothing he can say to correct that. You can't just change an existing morph to be something you want it to be. Either it's an ember or it's not.
Pasodama
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Hets, or a gene, can easily be lost when selectively breeding for a type, and concentrating on other genes, over some generations. Where an animal either does not have that particular gene, after a couple generations, or it is not known that an individual carries it.
In looking at James' Ember page, it does look like he has MPs. However, James also seems to have a desire to distance himself from the MP gene. At least in discussion.
Also seems he prefers that "we" speculate rather than having the truth spelled out by him.
Okay, he prefers that his Embers be looked at based on the Tremper Albino and not the MP. True or not, I will go by his wishes and look at his Embers as not being true Embers.
(Especially so if his, or some of his, Embers truly do not carry MP or if that is not a requirement of his).
As far as his Emberglows, I already look at them as not having the MP gene while there may be some individuals who, unknowingly, might have the MP gene.
Kristi23
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Hets, or a gene, can easily be lost when selectively breeding for a type, and concentrating on other genes, over some generations. Where an animal either does not have that particular gene, after a couple generations, or it is not known that an individual carries it.
In looking at James' Ember page, it does look like he has MPs. However, James also seems to have a desire to distance himself from the MP gene. At least in discussion.
Also seems he prefers that "we" speculate rather than having the truth spelled out by him.
Okay, he prefers that his Embers be looked at based on the Tremper Albino and not the MP. True or not, I will go by his wishes and look at his Embers as not being true Embers.
(Especially so if his, or some of his, Embers truly do not carry MP or if that is not a requirement of his).
As far as his Emberglows, I already look at them as not having the MP gene while there may be some individuals who, unknowingly, might have the MP gene.
The problem is that if everyone just ignores the morph definitions, we'll never have defined morphs. If it's not a visual ember (and they're not listed as het mp), then it's not an ember no matter what he wants to call it. You can't take a gene out of a morph without changing the morph.
Example is raptor. Tremper and Eclipse. If I take the eclipse out, I just have a tremper again. I can't call it a raptor. It may be het eclipse, but then it's a tremper het eclipse. Still not a raptor.
So he needs to come clean with what the animals are and if they are not MP, he needs to stop using the name Ember. Things like this are confusing new keepers/breeders.