Herpguy11
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First of all, I have been responding to this thread from the beginning. Second of all, the excuse that you are in Central Florida is very lame. Even though you may be in a "colder" region of Florida, you are still in one of the mildest climates in the United States. The point is, you should never ASSUME anything in the first place. It is still completely ignorant and wrong for somebody to allow there to be an opportunity for escape in ANY climate. The point is that you clearly do not know what these animals are capable of, which is completely evident in what you have experienced.
It also shows that you know very little about ecology when you say people harvesting nonnatives in Florida are "poachers". These animals do not belong there and are not protected by any laws besides animal cruelty laws. I can walk outside, smash a whole nest of English Sparrows, and not have broken any laws.
It is obvious that you are the kind of person who will not admit fault in your actions, or that you at least unknowingly set up conditions that allowed a nonnative species to live in the wild and very well breed. If you admitted you did something wrong in the beginning and that you will make sure it never happens again, that would be a different story. Instead, you call everybody who is calling you out "miscreants" among other things and acting like they have no reason to criticize you. You are then using the fact that a FWS official inspected your enclosures AFTER escapes happened and after you presumably fixed issues as proof that you never did anything bad in the first place.
If you truly think you did nothing wrong here, I have a challenge for you. Go to an Ecology conference and present all the information here to ecologists there. Then record their responses. I guarantee they will immediately tell you how completely wrong this whole situation is, and that you allowing this to happen is completely horrible for biodiversity and the environment. Heck, contact a local Professor of Ecology and then document his or her response.
I am not going to continue to argue with you, since it is pointless to do such things to people who are so stubborn.
It also shows that you know very little about ecology when you say people harvesting nonnatives in Florida are "poachers". These animals do not belong there and are not protected by any laws besides animal cruelty laws. I can walk outside, smash a whole nest of English Sparrows, and not have broken any laws.
It is obvious that you are the kind of person who will not admit fault in your actions, or that you at least unknowingly set up conditions that allowed a nonnative species to live in the wild and very well breed. If you admitted you did something wrong in the beginning and that you will make sure it never happens again, that would be a different story. Instead, you call everybody who is calling you out "miscreants" among other things and acting like they have no reason to criticize you. You are then using the fact that a FWS official inspected your enclosures AFTER escapes happened and after you presumably fixed issues as proof that you never did anything bad in the first place.
If you truly think you did nothing wrong here, I have a challenge for you. Go to an Ecology conference and present all the information here to ecologists there. Then record their responses. I guarantee they will immediately tell you how completely wrong this whole situation is, and that you allowing this to happen is completely horrible for biodiversity and the environment. Heck, contact a local Professor of Ecology and then document his or her response.
I am not going to continue to argue with you, since it is pointless to do such things to people who are so stubborn.
