Info Eddie Markward

[Xaila]

118 animals dead from a heater /tstat malfunction?

So all 118 animals were on one heater /tstat?

Or perhaps it was a heater that was being used to heat the room and all animals were on ambient temperatures?

I am completely lost on that "story".

With the pictures of the animals and all the mites, I am more apt to believe that something moved through the colony. But that is just my opinion.

It was an oil filled heater that went haywire I think. So ambient heat.

 

[HerpVenue]

Whatever you believe, trying to help either Charlene or Eddie fix this situation, for the sake of the animals, is a lot more productive than sitting on the sidelines jeering. And it looks as if at least one person is already helping to care for a few of them.

Fix the situation for "for the sake of the animals" by giving more animals.
No thanks. I help the community in my own way.

 

[Xaila]

Not to him, to her. He probably should consider getting out of snakes entirely for awhile.

 

[Southern.Constrictors.2]

What the %^&* did I just read?!?!

This statement resembles what some people feel in real life. In real life, there are some people who believe that society and not the criminal, is responsible for criminals said actions.

I will say it here just like I say in real life...... huuuuhh NO.

Perhaps I missed it. But what does his "friends" have to do with this transaction? Because they pressed a button on facebook does not mean they are responsible for any part of this transaction. It is almost like saying, you are talking to him on the internet. Why don't you give the lady some animals.

I guess you can say I wholeheartedly disagree.

I think she was suggesting something more like a loan to Eddie to help him repay the debt all at once and then he can work out arrangements to repay said loans, not giving for nothing. But that was just how I read it.

 

[Southern.Constrictors.2]

118 animals dead from a heater /tstat malfunction?

So all 118 animals were on one heater /tstat?

Or perhaps it was a heater that was being used to heat the room and all animals were on ambient temperatures?

I am completely lost on that "story".

With the pictures of the animals and all the mites, I am more apt to believe that something moved through the colony. But that is just my opinion.

Eddie uses ambient heat as opposed to heat tape. So, yes. Everything was on one thermostat because it was the one heater.

 

[Black Adder]

And I have already stated once that I find it incredulous that 118 animals could die in just ONE night due to this tstat malfunction....
Have had it happen myself overnight, caught it early am and lost not one single animal
Sorry but I just do not believe it could have been just one nights occurence
However NONE of that is going to help anybody right now so maybe we need to stop labouring the subject.....
Eddie has admitted he was in the wrong
This now needs to move along

 

[bcr229]

And I have already stated once that I find it incredulous that 118 animals could die in just ONE night due to this tstat malfunction....
Have had it happen myself overnight, caught it early am and lost not one single animal
Sorry but I just do not believe it could have been just one nights occurence
However NONE of that is going to help anybody right now so maybe we need to stop labouring the subject.....
Eddie has admitted he was in the wrong
This now needs to move along

He said it occurred while he was on vacation. Most people with large collections just have someone check their snakes every 2-3 days if they have to go away. So, I could see how a t-stat failure could cause the room to overheat.

The OP has wisely refused to accept offers of donated animals until the ones she currently has are mite-free and healthy, which I find laudable. You don't bring healthy critters into a collection of compromised ones.

If Eddie has friends locally who are willing to help, they could consider taking some of his snakes for rehab and eventual sale. That friend would have to be a saint though, most people would not knowingly bring home an underweight, mite-infested critter.

 

[Black Adder]

As I said previously, it had to be more than just one night and there now seems to be contradictory statements on that event
However it has occured and alt9very unfortunate maybe all can learn some valuable lessons from this

 

[CwnAnnwn]

I have a few quesiton, most of the asked but did not see many answers.

How many animals was in Eddies care? How many did the op give him to care for?

How did an oil heater heat to the point of killing 118 animals?

Does anyone know what tstat was used? I can not imagine a commercial tstat overheating like that. I make my own, they don't and can not do that. But mine don't fail.

I just can not figure out how with best practices this happened.

 

[Crawford_Constrictors2013]

I think the issue some are having is that it was convenient that the animals that 'died' or went missing were mainly the higher end animals and the nicer animals in Charlene's collection.

 

[charlene.dourty]

I have a few quesiton, most of the asked but did not see many answers.

How many animals was in Eddies care? How many did the op give him to care for?

How did an oil heater heat to the point of killing 118 animals?

Does anyone know what tstat was used? I can not imagine a commercial tstat overheating like that. I make my own, they don't and can not do that. But mine don't fail.

I just can not figure out how with best practices this happened.

I do not know for sure how many animals that Eddie had in his care at the time of us dropping our animals off but I do know that his racks were pretty much full.

34.69 Ball pythons left in Eddie's care. 4 boas, a corn, and a hognose as well.

Since I was not there, I do not know the extent of details in how or why the heater killed that many animals. And Im not sure which thermostat he was using. Sorry I can't answer these questions with detail as I can only answer what I know.

 

[Crawford_Constrictors2013]

We can't even get any real answers from Eddie except for his Public Relations move type response.

 

[Lucille]

Bill,

If I pay you to take care of my critters and a thermostat malfunction kills them, you owe me for my critters. Hopefully you have insurance.

You in turn can sue the company that sold you the thermostat that malfunctioned as long as you were using it correctly, as well as the manufacturer.

 

[John Capurso]

I think the issue some are having is that it was convenient that the animals that 'died' or went missing were mainly the higher end animals and the nicer animals in Charlene's collection.

BINGO!!!

 

[SPJ]

Bill,
I believe Eddie was being paid for the food to sustain the animals but not being paid for the care of them.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Who's to say the "incident" being discussed had anything to do with what happened to the snakes? No proof of anything. Are the snakes in a freezer? Maybe in a hole in the ground? Not one picture of anything to prove said alibis. I'm not buying any of it.

 

[CwnAnnwn]

For those who would like to argue that this could never happen to them I would ask 2 things. 1st, what is your setup, and 2nd, do you not think that the very, very, big breeders who have lost collections due to accidents did not have a better set up than yours.

For most people. You buy your 300 dollar thermostat. You then buy a 13 dollars back up. Something like the STC-1000. You hook the heating side to your 300 dollar thermostat, you hook the cooling side to a radio with the volume turned all the way up.

You set the 13 dollar STC-1000 for the max temp, for balls maybe 100F ( I don't own or know about pythons).

At 100F it will turn off your 300 dollar Thermostat and Blast your radio warning. When the temps drop back down, your 300 dollar termostat will reboot. You could also hook this to an 50 dollar auto dialer. If you want a server, you can get one for about 200 bucks.


If the stc-1000 fails, then you have your 300 dollar thermostat. If it fails, you have a 13 dollar back up.

The chances of both of them falling on the same day in the same way, is nearly impossible.

But if they do, you can also get a 100 dollar caller. Google temperature auto dialer.

Failure of heating system is almost always on the person that made the system.

For example, the oil heater hooked to a Tstat. I do not know many commercial Tstats that can handle a normal size oil heater.

That is something like 12 amps 1500 watts.

Most proportionals you will find for reptiles use the omron g3m, which is a 5 amp 550 watt SSR. You will destroy it at 12amps, you could burn down your house.

But if it was hooked to a heater system, with out a back up. And it did get a probe off, which is possible, why was the heater put on high?

If most cases, with a closed room, you are never going to cycle the heater more then 70%. So, as a built in fail safe, turn the heater only to what it takes to heat the room+20%.

The heater, once heated, will never use that much more energy. And if you have a massive fail, then it will only heat 20% more then normal.

If you heat the room to 80 degrees. Then at most, you would get to 100 degrees if it failed.

Moral of my story, we all need to take a hard look at our systems and how many animals we can keep.

If they fail, some one will die.

Backups.

 

[Lucille]

"partnership".

Eddie imay beliable to his partner for damage due to his negligent, egregious lack of care and oversight.
I do not see any way for Eddie to avoid liability.

 

[Lucille]

Who's to say the "incident" being discussed had anything to do with what happened to the snakes? No proof of anything. Are the snakes in a freezer? Maybe in a hole in the ground? Not one picture of anything to prove said alibis. I'm not buying any of it.

Excellent point. A lot of snakes went missing, besides the ones that were picked up. Was there an ' incident'? Were they sold?

 

[Chris Kennard]

Through out all this I have made many mistakes. I completely over estimated my rat breeding abilities, I underestimated the cost to feed a collection of that size. I failed to communicate issues and problems. I didn't make their priorities my priorities. I didn't ask for help when I needed it.

At this point all I can do is ask that the Payne's forgive me and work with me as we come to a resolution.

There will be many here that won't give me a second thought or chance. But for those that will all I ask is for the opportunity to earn your trust and respect again. I'm not asking that either be freely given, but that you would allow me to attempt to earn them.

You won't earn squat by being a one hit wonder here. Man up and start explaining yourself.