Info Need some advice on a situation involving Alea Rodriguez.

[Lucille]

David, I am law enforcement, at the Federal Level at that. Let me just say this, possession is 9/10 of the law.. Unless they have some type of notarized contract, this girl can keep them if she wishes to.

Milo Garcia

Not even remotely true.

at least take the high road and do not charge her for what you said you were going to do for free.

This is one of those opportunities to show that you are a person of your word, and that agreements made with you will be honored. When people see this thread a year from now, what will they take away from it?
Elexis, you seem to be launching into a defensive mode. There is no need to do that.
Honor your agreement, and walk away from this spat and the endless arguing. Your actions will speak louder than your words, and when the snakes are safely back with their owner, whenever that can be safely done, you can at that point be satisfied that you did all you could for them.

 

[beballs]

Lucille has a point. I say charge her for care from this point until they're able to be shipped. I agree that Alea be the one to pay for shipping as they are her animals. Have her print the label and have all the supplies shipped to your from syr. Then whenever the day come that shipping can be arranged, everything you need will already be in your possession.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

I'm pretty sure Lucille is saying NOT to charge her for their care.

 

[Lucille]

I'm pretty sure Lucille is saying NOT to charge her for their care.

That is what I am saying. The original agreement was that there would be no charge. I believe that the agreement should continue until the first opportunity to safely ship.
A drama fest is not what is best either for the critters or for the parties themselves, IMHO. A year from now when people read this thread, they will either see that Elexis did what she promised, or that because of some squabble she chose to not honor her word.
I also agree to what someone else posted, that expensive caging is not needed for the return, and the owner should prepare to have the snakes back, if she cannot manage to purchase expensive caging then suitably outfitted inexpensive tubs can be used until more adequate caging is available.

 

[David Scarboro]

David, I am law enforcement, at the Federal Level at that. Let me just say this, possession is 9/10 of the law.. Unless they have some type of notarized contract, this girl can keep them if she wishes to.

Milo Garcia

Milo, I am going to have to respectfully disagree. She has stated on a public forum that the snakes are not hers and that they did have a verbal contract. That works in small claims court for the civil side. As to the criminal side of it, possession is not 9/10 of the law. It may however be a problem getting a DA or Solicitor to pursue it.

 

[beballs]

My apologies, i believe earlier there was something lucille stated that contradicted what was being stated now. :/ I guess i somewhat disagree on those terms based off of her purchasing new animals instead of taking responsibility for the ones that she has in someone else's possession.
In the end it will be up to them, but maybe i'm biased due to the same thing happening to myself and the opposite party in my same situation continued to do as they please with their money, instead of doing what had to be done for their animals.
They simply need to come up with some kind of solution to get the animals returned when the weather is suitable.

 

[snowgyre]

I appreciate the great deal of patience all those commenting here, trying to give Elexis advice, has portrayed. However, my patience is quickly waning.

Numerous people have numerously reiterated the very simple solution to your problem. I'm not sure why you are continuously harping on the "I don't want them" or "I can't ship them back right now!" all the time, since it has already been clear that we ALL understand this and ALL understand that you will have to wait for spring.

So what is the problem now? The debate over whether you should be compensated for feeders? Many of us agreed that from now until you can ship in the spring that you could create a new agreement so you can be reimbursed for those costs. However, many of us disagree with retroactive payment, which you are apparently not interested in?

So again, what is the problem? Ship the animals out until spring, make arrangements for the payment of feeders until then, end of story.

Stop with the professional victim act and the whining. We have agreed with you on some cases, given you honest opinions and courses of action, and disagreed with your immature behavior. I don't know Alea but judging from the correspondences, I wouldn't want to do any business with her. Based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd want to do business with you anymore either.

I'm not sure what else you want from us? A hug? Or to pull down Alea's britches and slap her on the behind for being a bad girl? This Facebook drama should stay on Facebook, I'm getting tired of seeing this type of behavior here, on what should be a professional Board of Inquiry.

I don't know you, I don't have a dog in this fight, and honestly I don't care about the outcome. This isn't my problem, it's yours. You asked for honest advice and received it, and yet you flail defensively for no apparent reason. If you want to preserve your reputation, I would stop posting, resolve this situation in the spring, and come back here later (as in months from now) and tell us the situation was fixed.

 

[Lucille]

My apologies, i believe earlier there was something lucille stated that contradicted what was being stated now.

Please show.

 

[beballs]

Please show.

My apologies, it must have been some one else.

 

[hhmoore]

All this drama, and I find myself wondering if her name is Maela or Alea....and if the other her's name is Ortiz or Craig

 

[ElexisC]

All this drama, and I find myself wondering if her name is Maela or Alea....and if the other her's name is Ortiz or Craig

As long as my legal last name is in the name section does that even matter and needed to be brought up? You already gave me an infraction for something I had no idea was even a rule and never even responded to my message about it.

 

[ElexisC]

I appreciate the great deal of patience all those commenting here, trying to give Elexis advice, has portrayed. However, my patience is quickly waning.

Numerous people have numerously reiterated the very simple solution to your problem. I'm not sure why you are continuously harping on the "I don't want them" or "I can't ship them back right now!" all the time, since it has already been clear that we ALL understand this and ALL understand that you will have to wait for spring.

So what is the problem now? The debate over whether you should be compensated for feeders? Many of us agreed that from now until you can ship in the spring that you could create a new agreement so you can be reimbursed for those costs. However, many of us disagree with retroactive payment, which you are apparently not interested in?

So again, what is the problem? Ship the animals out until spring, make arrangements for the payment of feeders until then, end of story.

Stop with the professional victim act and the whining. We have agreed with you on some cases, given you honest opinions and courses of action, and disagreed with your immature behavior. I don't know Alea but judging from the correspondences, I wouldn't want to do any business with her. Based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd want to do business with you anymore either.

I'm not sure what else you want from us? A hug? Or to pull down Alea's britches and slap her on the behind for being a bad girl? This Facebook drama should stay on Facebook, I'm getting tired of seeing this type of behavior here, on what should be a professional Board of Inquiry.

I don't know you, I don't have a dog in this fight, and honestly I don't care about the outcome. This isn't my problem, it's yours. You asked for honest advice and received it, and yet you flail defensively for no apparent reason. If you want to preserve your reputation, I would stop posting, resolve this situation in the spring, and come back here later (as in months from now) and tell us the situation was fixed.

Another long post that I have already answered everything on. And no everyone is pushing me in different directions, ship now, wait to ship, don't charge, charge from now on, don't chrge for up until now which I NEVER said I even wanted to do and that the past can be called even for the boa she gave me. If you read my last few posts you would see where I said when she sends me all the shipping supplies I will gladly send them back when it's warm enough, maybe you missed those? I'm on the defense because of how I'm being talked to. You people are making it out like I'm not listening and obviously not reading my posts, I'd you did you wouldn't have felt the need to say all of this? I guess I'll continue to be used by someone who didn't really seem to care about her animals in the first place. Hardly ever asking how they are, taking in new animals instead of trying to get the ones I have back, if she's so worried about them selling the house why did she take in the new ones??

Again when she sends me the shipping supplies and the weather breaks I will send them back, as I've stayed many times now, there was no need for this post

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[ElexisC]

Oh and the problem is I can't contact her. She has me BLOCKED. She refused to read anything I had to say civil until I came here and she told many many lies.

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[Lucille]

And no everyone is pushing me in different directions

No one here can push you, unless you allow it. You need to decide what the best course of action is (with the snake's safety in mind) and just do it. If you make an unethical choice, you will be known for it, but no one can push you into anything, and saying that abdicates your own personal responsibility to make a choice.

You are arguing with everyone. Stop. Particularly arguing with those who help run the site is a bad idea, and publicizing the fact that you don't know the rules here is a bad idea. Go check them out, they are easy to find.

 

[ElexisC]

No one here can push you, unless you allow it. You need to decide what the best course of action is (with the snake's safety in mind) and just do it. If you make an unethical choice, you will be known for it, but no one can push you into anything, and saying that abdicates your own personal responsibility to make a choice.

You are arguing with everyone. Stop. Particularly arguing with those who help run the site is a bad idea, and publicizing the fact that you don't know the rules here is a bad idea. Go check them out, they are easy to find.

So asking for advice in the general hero area is against the rules? I asked him if there was anything that specifically pertained to that and he never replied. I do know the rules, but do not recall asking for advice was a boi issue and instead of him just letting me know I get a 2 point infraction on top of it.

And I'm not trying to argue, I say I don't want to risk their lives shipping in below freezing temps and holiday traffic and I'm made out to be the bad guy. I say I'm worried she doesn't base caging, I said nothing about expensive only appropriate caging, and I'm made to he the bad guy me caring about HER animals enough to not risk their lives is making me the bad guy. You said me wanting compensation for rats, now that it's no longer a deal between friends and she has me blocked so we can't discuss t like civilized adults (like I tried to, refer to the screen shots, and she refused to read it). No matter what I do I'm made to be the bad guy.

Only a couple have even acknowledged she should have been getting what she needed for these animals and not taking in new ones forcing me to keep these ones longer and at more expense on my end. If she would have had a civil conversation and really wanted to just sell them I could have done so for her but she cannot be civil for whatever reason right now. She blew up on me over stupid drama then threatened me, that's when it was all over and that original contract ended. Where is she? Why hasn't she come to address terms? It can be worked out here, and remain civil. Does she even know or agree to sending me the shipping supplies and I'll send them back when it's warm enough? Who knows because I cannot contact her.

 

[Lucille]

And I'm not trying to argue

And you follow that with a paragraph of defenses and arguments.
Elexis. Just be quiet.
Come back IF the weather gets better and the owner does not contact you. That isn't going to happen.

 

[ElexisC]

So asking for advice in the general hero area is against the rules? I asked him if there was anything that specifically pertained to that and he never replied. I do know the rules, but do not recall asking for advice was a boi issue and instead of him just letting me know I get a 2 point infraction on top of it.

And I'm not trying to argue, I say I don't want to risk their lives shipping in below freezing temps and holiday traffic and I'm made out to be the bad guy. I say I'm worried she doesn't base caging, I said nothing about expensive only appropriate caging, and I'm made to he the bad guy me caring about HER animals enough to not risk their lives is making me the bad guy. You said me wanting compensation for rats, now that it's no longer a deal between friends and she has me blocked so we can't discuss t like civilized adults (like I tried to, refer to the screen shots, and she refused to read it). No matter what I do I'm made to be the bad guy.

Only a couple have even acknowledged she should have been getting what she needed for these animals and not taking in new ones forcing me to keep these ones longer and at more expense on my end. If she would have had a civil conversation and really wanted to just sell them I could have done so for her but she cannot be civil for whatever reason right now. She blew up on me over stupid drama then threatened me, that's when it was all over and that original contract ended. Where is she? Why hasn't she come to address terms? It can be worked out here, and remain civil. Does she even know or agree to sending me the shipping supplies and I'll send them back when it's warm enough? Who knows because I cannot contact her.

Several typos, thanks phone. But I see o didn't finish a sentence. You said me asking for compensation for rats from here on out is me going back on my word? No, she broke the deal between two friends when she made threats and blocked me from contact.

But I did already say I would continue to house them, and send them back as long as she sends the correct materials and pays the shipping. But she won't even come here and say THAT is acceptable. She's already said she's willing to pay someone else for her snakes care, but compensating me is holding them hostage in her eyes?

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[caffeinecynic]

So asking for advice in the general hero area is against the rules? I asked him if there was anything that specifically pertained to that and he never replied. I do know the rules, but do not recall asking for advice was a boi issue and instead of him just letting me know I get a 2 point infraction on top of it.

Considering that you have been extremely defensive to everyone who has offered you advice, I would agree that this thread belongs more in the BOI - because it certainly seems like what you wanted was not to ask for opinions, but to simply express your bad experience with Alea.

This thread does not give me the impression of "Hey, I've had a rough situation - in this position, what would you guys do?" It seems like you wanted everyone to know exactly how she treated you - a fact that you continue to bring up by pointing out what you perceive as her neglect to her animals. This absolutely belongs here IMO, because of how you presented it (with the screenshots, etc).

 

[snowgyre]

So asking for advice in the general hero area is against the rules? I asked him if there was anything that specifically pertained to that and he never replied. I do know the rules, but do not recall asking for advice was a boi issue and instead of him just letting me know I get a 2 point infraction on top of it.

You gave Elea's name in your inquiry post. If you mention names, it's a BOI issue, not a general inquiry. This was explained to you clearly in the response. As far as your infraction, that's at the moderator's discretion.

And I'm not trying to argue,

Yes, you are....

I say I don't want to risk their lives shipping in below freezing temps and holiday traffic and I'm made out to be the bad guy.

You have continuously ignored the many posts that say although you could safely ship in these temperature conditions, we understand why you don't want to do it, especially given the holiday season. You have no leg to stand on here, stop bringing it up.

I say I'm worried she doesn't base caging, I said nothing about expensive only appropriate caging, and I'm made to he the bad guy me caring about HER animals enough to not risk their lives is making me the bad guy.

They're her animals. Whether or not she has adequate caging is up to her, not you. This is completely irrelevant to the actual problem, and you come off as wanting to keep the animals, despite your assertion that you don't want them.

You said me wanting compensation for rats, now that it's no longer a deal between friends and she has me blocked so we can't discuss t like civilized adults (like I tried to, refer to the screen shots, and she refused to read it).

That's your problem and honestly irrelevant. She'll likely contact you in the spring. She has wisely bowed out of the conversation and I suggest you do the same. At this point, the only one making you look bad is yourself.

No matter what I do I'm made to be the bad guy.

No, you are misinterpreting the responses you got because we don't agree with you 100% on everything. Again, the professional victim act is getting irritating.

Only a couple have even acknowledged she should have been getting what she needed for these animals and not taking in new ones forcing me to keep these ones longer and at more expense on my end.

Because it's 100% irrelevant to the actual issue. You have her snakes. It's not up to you to make this judgement call. Return the snakes when you can. End of story.

If she would have had a civil conversation and really wanted to just sell them I could have done so for her but she cannot be civil for whatever reason right now. She blew up on me over stupid drama then threatened me, that's when it was all over and that original contract ended. Where is she? Why hasn't she come to address terms? It can be worked out here, and remain civil. Does she even know or agree to sending me the shipping supplies and I'll send them back when it's warm enough? Who knows because I cannot contact her.

She agreed to wait until spring to ship. She'll probably contact you then, or go through a third party. A couple of folks already posted here who are part of the Facebook group where this drama started. Ask them to moderate your conversation. Being out of contact is a poor excuse when there are ways to get around it. Again, you are starting to sound like you actually do want to keep this snakes by the way you are phrasing your responses.

Keep in mind that BOI posts are equally about the accuser as the accused. Your name is attached here. So far I am unimpressed. I was siding with you from the beginning despite how you misinterpreted my statements, but now my sympathy for your situation is pretty much gone.

 

[ElexisC]

Considering that you have been extremely defensive to everyone who has offered you advice, I would agree that this thread belongs more in the BOI - because it certainly seems like what you wanted was not to ask for opinions, but to simply express your bad experience with Alea.

This thread does not give me the impression of "Hey, I've had a rough situation - in this position, what would you guys do?" It seems like you wanted everyone to know exactly how she treated you - a fact that you continue to bring up by pointing out what you perceive as her neglect to her animals. This absolutely belongs here IMO, because of how you presented it (with the screenshots, etc).

Maybe if people read what I have said, understood it before replying in wouldn't feel so attacked with constantly being told "you're just trying to justify keeping them" when I said several times I wasn't and that I don't want them. "Ship them now" who would you blame if they got held up and died? Me. "Wait to ship till warmer weather" ok I've said many many times that's what I wanted all along, yet people keep saying it like I never agreed to. "You shouldn't ask for payment for past expenses that makes you look bad" I NEVER said I wanted that, but compensation from here on out for rats at least. You know it does take money to breed them, feed them, keep them clean, euthanize, and freeze. And basically ke caring enough about her animals to not send them out in freezing temps and holiday rush makes me a bad guy because "they're not my animals so not my problem" sorry I care about their lives and health. All she had to do long ago when she got settled was get tubes, heat tape, a stat and get them back and work on more caging should she wish, not leave me spending more and more money to care for her animals while parading around new animals she just bought in my face. Again I tried to send 3 back in the summer she said no and got new animals. I would have been 3 lighter and she would have had half back but she chose to buy new animals instead of getting the ones I have back.