Inquiry Why All The Hate Toward Reptiles By Mack?

[WebSlave]

I love how you will make up any excuse to please the big names in the industry....I'm sure if it was my facility that Peta showed with animals like that you would be on here making excuses for me right...

And ban me for what...it's your site ban if you want to...you can you don't need me to break the rules to do it

And you and your cronies use to defend Wyatt all the time go look at the old threads...especially usark. You guys are going to ride that sinking ship right to the bottom of the ocean because you wouldn't want to offend bagnal and the gang....

So in other words, no, you can't provide any proof of your statements at all. Just wanted to make sure we were both clear on what you are trying to say. Instead, you just go ahead and make up another blatant lie that you cannot provide even a speck of evidence about.

Thank you.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

The potential problem I see at any large wholesaler is the quality of employees which they can afford. I see in an online ad at http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=64f623cb77a14ee4&tk=1adjgqucr1ags4vl&from=company for an Animal Care Technician at Reptiles by Mack that they are paying "Up to $10.10 per hour with easily achievable attendance bonus." I just don't see many caring competent hard-working people being willing to work for such low pay even if they love animals.

I wonder where the Zoos find them?
For a entry level PT Job cleaning cages? What do you think the pay for cage cleaning, watering, and feeding animals? 10-12 is about right for many of them. What do you think beginning zookeepers make? In a lot of zoos that number is right on target.

It really depends on the individual area. San Diego starts at $20 but that is probably close to the same as $10 in his area for the same standard of living.

A salary of $41,600 in San Diego, California could decrease to $21,651 in Xenia, Ohio

Heck the Columbus Zoo starts Zookeepers out at $20.5. That works out to less than 10 bucks.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Dennis, as always read your posts and always thought that nothing could be added. The only statement you've ever made that I disagree with is "Rich can't win". Rich has won the respect and admiration of those who count. Is there a more successful site? The entertainment value here is priceless, but the justice is euphoric.

 

[MrTPlush]

Alright so what I got out of this updated statement is that some(if not all) of what is shown in the video happened at RBM. So it seems like the video isn't total BS like some want to hope for or think.

Looks to me like RBM has good intentions/policies in place, but have failed to look over their employees adequately. I feel that long statement was really trying to avoid what everyone cares about and that is if what happened in the video truly happened.

I hope RBM can work to fix their image that has (rightfully) been damaged. They have gone about it professionally and honestly.

 

[rodneynboalich]

As usual none of you know anything about what happened in ohio..sb310 wasn't going to ban all reptiles...it wasn't going to ban any reptiles until usark and pijac showed up and said let's regulate reptiles...

Go back and look at pijac press release about sb310 passing....it said pijac applauds Ohio passing sb310 dangerous animals law....best part is hsus in their press release said the exact same thing in the same 24 hour period....

You had pijac and hsus both congratulating Ohio for its anti exotics bill...which Jon mack supported...

Go look at the press release....

Go look at the old threads on here about sb310....go look at my threads about usark and what Wyatt was really doing....go look how the fauna cronies made excuses for watts spending all the donation money on hotels and so on....
Go look at how they defended usark setting up the second hr511 hearing that only lead to fws being able to do another executive order to add retics and green anacondas...if it wasn't for that hearing fws wouldn't have been able to do the executive order listing which was granted to do so from executive order 13112 from 1999 .

Go look how WebSlave and the cronies didn't want to talk about bagnal telling everyone to keep quiet about tinly and Wyatt leaving usark so usark could go forward with the second hr511 hearing that usark set up and lead everyone to think it was a threat....
Go look at all the old threads...and see how WebSlave and the rest always protect the people that are lying and destroying this industry...
And now they are protecting Jon mack...and guy that helped to ban and regulate all the exotics that he doesn't breed or sell...

Even narbc kicked pijac out of their shows....and narbc did most of the lying to all of you about wyatt...

Wake up people


And fine you all think it's OK to use glue traps to round up all your loose lizards running around your facility ok.....how about all those frogs stuck in soda bottles.....is frogs in soda bottles standard practice for field study as well....

There's a pattern of behavior on here with the mods...it's protect the status quo at any cost...

 

[rodneynboalich]

​Thank you for your support and patience while we are working through these PETA allegations. We have posted an update today.

http://www.reptilesbymack.com/reptile-health-and-care.aspx

How does this prove or disprove anything...it's a write up on a Web page.....that's it....I do have a question....what's the proper number of frogs one should keep in a soda bottle....me and my friends are always going back and forth on this one..I say 50. My friends say 25 max...we just can't seem to come to an agreement one how many frogs you should shove in a soda bottle...
Could you help settle this dispute

 

[WebSlave]

First thought(since they sell to chain pet stores) is that they ship them with normal bigger ticket items. Seems like those pet stores go through those cheap little lizards like candy. I imagine if you are selling enough they are pretty darn profitable.

My next thought was instead of using glue traps...I don't know...maybe one should have better security measures in place? Of course we don't know how long it took to get so many on that trap. Could have been a month which then I guess wouldn't be too bad if you have hundreds...or maybe it took a couple days for it to fill up. I guess I just don't see your argument, "Well I bet less died then if we just let them run around the facility." You really shouldn't be needing glue traps in the first place.

You are right. We really don't know what happened. Perhaps a shipment they received was not opened properly, or perhaps it wasn't packed securely by the shipper. Again, a business is not going to knowingly allow merchandise they offer for sale to just evaporate into the building and take a dead loss on the shipment. And I highly doubt that once they are caught on the glue boards they are going to just knowingly let them die. If they did that, then why bother to try to catch them at all? Why pay the money for the glue traps? it's not like anoles are going to start reproducing and establish a colony in a warehouse in Ohio then escape into the wild outside to become an exotic nuisance animal. Heck, were those glue traps even in place FOR the anoles in the first place? Or was this just a one time event for a recent shipment?

As an FYI, get a few anoles and let them loose in your house and tell me how long they survive without a source of water. Heck, when we used to do shows, baby snakes were showing dehydration distress by the second day, so we started retaining the water dishes in the deli cups the entire show weekend to keep that from happening. Small reptiles will not survive long without proper hydration.

I presume that RBM's facility is quite large, so I would imagine a few people might like to hear your suggestion for a better and easier way to catch a bunch of loose wall climbers.

As for not allowing the animals to escape in the first place, well yeah, in a perfect world I guess that would be the perfect solution. But I've never even visited that perfect world, much less live in it. How about you? Never had a mistake happen? Trust me, if you work with animals long enough, you will, without a doubt, have an escape to have to deal with. If you have people working for you, it will happen even more often. 50+ employees and thousands of animals? Heck, does anyone seriously think they can make escapes impossible?

 

[rodneynboalich]

So in other words, no, you can't provide any proof of your statements at all. Just wanted to make sure we were both clear on what you are trying to say. Instead, you just go ahead and make up another blatant lie that you cannot provide even a speck of evidence about.

Thank you.

Go look at my usark threads it's full of fauna mods defending usark doing things the way they do ...which isn't very well.....when I pointed out Wyatt was wasting money the mods said it was ok...when I pointed out usark was pushing bmps in people's states without even telling people's the mods said it was a great idea....
When I said usark needs to stop telling people to write letters and file a lawsuit the mods said I was wrong...until usark finally did file a lawsuit then it was ok....
When I proved usark took donation under false pretense for some legislation in Pennsylvania well that was OK too..
Go look at my last thread about the lawsuit and the insanely devastating results it will have do to the manner in which usark is going about it...mods said usark is doing it right.....OK we will see how right usark is to basically base their entire lawsuit around trying to keep one person out of a jail cell instead of working on protecting the entire industry. ...
And of course none of you will have any idea what I'm talking about

 

[rodneynboalich]

It just about kills me to have to use a link to wyatts latest scam organization but here it is...you can click on the pdf of pijac supporting and applauding sb310 and Ohio for passing it...and remember Jon mack was the voice of the reptile industry pijac used and he supported sb310...remember he on the board....................http://usherp.org/tag/sb310/

 

[WebSlave]

As usual none of you know anything about what happened in ohio..sb310 wasn't going to ban all reptiles...it wasn't going to ban any reptiles until usark and pijac showed up and said let's regulate reptiles...

Go back and look at pijac press release about sb310 passing....it said pijac applauds Ohio passing sb310 dangerous animals law....best part is hsus in their press release said the exact same thing in the same 24 hour period....

You had pijac and hsus both congratulating Ohio for its anti exotics bill...which Jon mack supported...

Go look at the press release....

Go look at the old threads on here about sb310....go look at my threads about usark and what Wyatt was really doing....go look how the fauna cronies made excuses for watts spending all the donation money on hotels and so on....
Go look at how they defended usark setting up the second hr511 hearing that only lead to fws being able to do another executive order to add retics and green anacondas...if it wasn't for that hearing fws wouldn't have been able to do the executive order listing which was granted to do so from executive order 13112 from 1999 .

Go look how WebSlave and the cronies didn't want to talk about bagnal telling everyone to keep quiet about tinly and Wyatt leaving usark so usark could go forward with the second hr511 hearing that usark set up and lead everyone to think it was a threat....
Go look at all the old threads...and see how WebSlave and the rest always protect the people that are lying and destroying this industry...
And now they are protecting Jon mack...and guy that helped to ban and regulate all the exotics that he doesn't breed or sell...

Even narbc kicked pijac out of their shows....and narbc did most of the lying to all of you about wyatt...

Wake up people


And fine you all think it's OK to use glue traps to round up all your loose lizards running around your facility ok.....how about all those frogs stuck in soda bottles.....is frogs in soda bottles standard practice for field study as well....

There's a pattern of behavior on here with the mods...it's protect the status quo at any cost...

Any evidence to support your claims, fella? Even just one little teenie tiny one?


I'll be honest about it, I'm actually beginning to find this guy quite entertaining. I can't remember reading something so far out in right field from someone in quite a long time.

 

[WebSlave]

And of course none of you will have any idea what I'm talking about

Finally! Something we can get on board with you about!

 

[rodneynboalich]

Finally! Something we can get on board with you about!

Give it time..it might take a year or two....you'll see what happens....we are about to lose a lot of monitors to appendix 1....with catx in place now plus executive order 13112 being implemented when usark go's against legislation fws likes we are in a position to lose a lot of stuff...and with people like Jon mack that support regulations sitting on the boards of the organizations that are supposed to be fighting regulations we don't stand much of a chance..

Watch how much more power fws walks away with once the usark lawsuit is all said and done.....watch how clear the language of 18 us 42 becomes....

 

[LauraB]

Blah blah....

Exactly. Blah, blah. Give it up, dude. You seem to have lost all sense of logic, common sense and objective. Blather is useless.

 

[snakesareawesome]

Rodney, I cannot follow anything you are saying. USARK tries to defend against unreasonable reptile laws. CATX was going into effect whether USARK was involved or not and they are our only chance to limit it. It's obvious that the current administration is deep in bed with animal rights and CATX was created specifically to do maximum damage to reptile keepers. What on earth do you think that has to do with Reptiles by MAck? I am really concerned that you are delusional and losing your grip on reality.

 

[CwnAnnwn]

As usual none of you know anything about what happened in ohio..sb310 wasn't going to ban all reptiles...it wasn't going to ban any reptiles until usark and pijac showed up and said let's regulate reptiles...

Go back and look at pijac press release about sb310 passing....it said pijac applauds Ohio passing sb310 dangerous animals law....best part is hsus in their press release said the exact same thing in the same 24 hour period....

Oh, Mr. Boalich. You really got off on the wrong foot on this one.

You know the problem with governments, they really try to be transparent as possible. They don't always exceed, but they try.

Lets look at SB 310 shall we.

http://archives.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_310_I

I will direct you to the line that states,

21) Any other animals designated by the director of agriculture in rules.

So pretty much any reptile they want. Mr. Boalich, I am going to need you to stop lying.

Now lets look at passed bill.

http://archives.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_310_EN

See how that little provision got removed? I wonder if it was the one arm man on the grassy knoll that held the congress at gun point until they remove it? Could not be lobbying groups.

I already linked to post saying that your evil groups where against the original forest service order on this. When it became clear that they where not going to win anything on this. The governor himself said he was going to ban all "exotic animals". They started to compromise.

A bus full of children are going to get hit by a train. They surmised that if they got most of the children off the train, it was better then letting everyone get hit.

So they started to unload species after species off the bus.

Your OWN LINK proves you are completely wrong on this. http://usherp.org/tag/sb310/

It clearly states that the governor wanted to ban anything considered exotic or wild. It clearly states that in the original draft, boa constrictors where named specifically.

Not a single person agrees with you.

I will go around this tree as many times as you want Mr. Boalich. You can ignore my posts all you want. I don't care.

 

[Mistyck]

Exactly. Blah, blah. Give it up, dude. You seem to have lost all sense of logic, common sense and objective. Blather is useless.

Except, has he ever had it?! (My answer will be no on that.)

(Please forgive any spelling or grammatical errors as I have only had 1 cup of coffee so far, but I believe I was able to put coherent thoughts together. If not... oh well, I tried and will re-read and re-word later if I have to. lol)

Mr. Boalich, you can tell everyone to "GO LOOK" all you want, but your rhetoric from several years ago is still the same. You have NOTHING new to add, and nothing but the same old chant over and over. (Which is getting quite redundant and old.)

There are several different things wrong with every organization, and not everyone is going to like what goes on with all organizations at any given time. In most instances most people can give coherent and well thought out reasons as to why and what can be done to fix them. But every single time you type, you just spew forth whatever is on the tip of your tongue without thinking and with no path.

You have yet to answer any questions as to "proof" of what you have been saying about Rich & the mods. You have yet to answer or provide proof of anything else other than telling everyone "GO LOOK." I'm sorry, but if you're going to put forth "information" then you need to include such information. It's not our job to go prove to ourselves what you're saying, especially when you're the one saying it.

So yet again, instead of being helpful and constructive in this forum; you are being the opposite, which is destructive. I highly doubt that anyone who is new to the hobby will be willing to listen to the same old hat over and over with nothing new added and to someone who feels the need to try to tear at the mods & Rich. But if your goal is to alienate yourself and make everything you're saying look like nonsense; then you're doing a great job.

As for Reptiles By Mack...I don't really have an opinion just for the sheer fact that the video was put out by PETA and I personally cannot stand that organization. While some tactics in the video might not be ideal, and conditions need worked on (they are living animals and not plants that can just be left to fend for themselves...) among other things; I just can't fully agree with the whole video because of PETA's involvement. The PETA thing has been hashed out quite a bit already so I don't need to put my two cents in about them; but I do believe that RBM has some improvements that need to be done and that's all I will say about that.

But because of this, be prepared for more backlash onto the reptile community. Though I think more majority will be more against PETA than they will the reptile community. PETA has yet to turn their image around since the dog snatching/porch incident; so it actually could go both ways before all things are said and done. But there needs to be some positive press coming out right about now too; so it almost deflects the RBM incident (which doesn't mean that the incident is ok) and reminds the "outside" community that reptiles are wonderful creatures that are a great teaching potential. As Dr. Phil says, "It takes 1000 atta-boys to undo the 1 negative." So the reptile community needs to work hard as a community to prove that not everything is bad. We've had too much bad press over the years and we're still trying to make a dent in it.

 

[rodneynboalich]

Oh, Mr. Boalich. You really got off on the wrong foot on this one.

You know the problem with governments, they really try to be transparent as possible. They don't always exceed, but they try.

Lets look at SB 310 shall we.

http://archives.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_310_I

I will direct you to the line that states,



So pretty much any reptile they want. Mr. Boalich, I am going to need you to stop lying.

Now lets look at passed bill.

http://archives.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_310_EN

See how that little provision got removed? I wonder if it was the one arm man on the grassy knoll that held the congress at gun point until they remove it? Could not be lobbying groups.

I already linked to post saying that your evil groups where against the original forest service order on this. When it became clear that they where not going to win anything on this. The governor himself said he was going to ban all "exotic animals". They started to compromise.

A bus full of children are going to get hit by a train. They surmised that if they got most of the children off the train, it was better then letting everyone get hit.

So they started to unload species after species off the bus.

Your OWN LINK proves you are completely wrong on this. http://usherp.org/tag/sb310/

It clearly states that the governor wanted to ban anything considered exotic or wild. It clearly states that in the original draft, boa constrictors where named specifically.

Not a single person agrees with you.

I will go around this tree as many times as you want Mr. Boalich. You can ignore my posts all you want. I don't care.

Sb310 is still open ended...they can add to the list as much as they want..read it....see the thing all of you don't understand is the time line of sb310....and the people that sat in on the original meeting with the Ohio government...none of which was usark and pijac....it wasn't till after all the private meeting with AR groups and animal groups in Ohio like oaao and poll Britton that usark and pijac got involved......pijac and usark showed up and offered up basically bmps for reptiles....

.pijac was much more willing to support stricter regulations so Ohio government went with pijac ideas...and since pijac had their reptile mouthpiece Jon mack to say he supported sb310 and he was representing the reptile industry,,the Ohio government could present the bill to the public as being like from both sides....
A similar thing happened here in PA...and reptile rescue told senator Alloway that he supported regs and bans on alligators...so Alloway purposed a alligator ban in PA with as he claimed the support of reptile community.....I killed that bill myself....Wyatt had called Alloway and sent him a letter offering to come to PA and help him write a bill that dealt with crocs and big snakes....that was the year before..when Alloway didn't move forward and declined watts offer.....
Wyatt told the reptile industry that he had stopped anti reptile legislation in PA...when a bill hadn't been written yet and he was the one to push regs for big snakes....
After I exposed this usark pulled their PA Victory from the list of accomplishments..
If you look at usark info from 2011ish you will see their claims about PA...after I made watts actions public...they took it out....

Pijac did something similar with 2012 PA hr2233 haluskas reptile ban....I made sure that it couldn't go anywhere and posted all that info on here and other places..go look in the state laws section.....I post it early in the year with info on the bill and how it couldn't move forward...
Pijac waited til summer time to tell people about the bill which had never even made it to a committee hearing (ie no one wanted to try and push it because PA fish and boat said no to it)....so pijac knew the bill was dead in the water yet pretending like it was going to be a threat and said they would deal with it...and then of course ask for donations for they hard work...

Usark did that a lot too..

Point being that both usark and pijac mislead the industry and gave it half true information on many occasions....
And since none of you actually do any research and just depend on all your information from the same organizations that are in the business of fighting anti exotic legislation...you never really know what's going on...
That's why you never know what I'm talking about and since I'm the only one saying these things I must be wrong because popular opinion says otherwise..

Pijac mislead all of you about sb310....but they did publicly praise the bill for passing and yet no one on here wants to talk about that or Jon macks role in it all....
Hsus like sb310 so much that now sb310 is what they are using as there national model legislation....

Oh and the money that pijac used to push sb310 in Ohio came from narbc...30,000 w as soon giving by brain potter and Bob Ashley to pijac for the lobbyists....the same lobbyists that slammed Wyatt and usark...

Then narbc turns around and kicks pijac out of their shows because the new ceo of pijac was against keeping reptiles..until he went to Jon macks place and pijac started signing his checks.......

This industry is a joke July of uninformed people

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Go look at my usark threads it's full of fauna mods defending usark doing things the way they do ...which isn't very well.....when I pointed out Wyatt was wasting money the mods said it was ok...
When I said usark needs to stop telling people to write letters and file a lawsuit the mods said I was wrong...
Go look at my last thread about the lawsuit and the insanely devastating results it will have do to the manner in which usark is going about it...mods said usark is doing it right.....

since THIS thread is not about Usark, here are the two threads you had started regarding USARK, if people want to continue that part of the discussion it can be done there.
Interesting, the only mod that responded to the discussion in those threads was myself and I did not say any of those things you mention. One thing you are good at tho is the bluster.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550515
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286886

 

[leftycrane]

Oh I remember the usark thread. The one that got poor Rodney banned last time. Go back and look at it. All you will see is him once again running his mouth with no proof. He was constantly asked for evidence to his claims and never provided any. Just like this one. Where the evidence that rich supported usark? Where's the evidence that RBM supported pijac? You're so full of it your eyes are brown. I have no position in this fight. I just can't stand drivel.

 

[Lucille]

This industry is a joke July of uninformed people

You've done this before. If you are all about teaching, entice people to learn by writing your facts in an easy to read, well thought out post. Encourage questions.
But instead you come here, strut around and insult your readers. That isn't going to get information across, it is only going to get people annoyed with you.