Bad Guy Mike Matson (Mike's Phat Frogs) sold me a WC snake as CB

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Look up the word association mr. graybeal. I've done business with mike twice. Long before this latest bit of non-sense. Look again at what I've said and not what you've heard. Time is key here. WHEN did I say what I did about mike? Was that, perhaps, before he went on this latest tirade? Hmmmm. And what have I said to mike since then mr. graybeal? To go on? That what he's doing is fine? Or was the me that told him a long time ago to stop being childish?

You still try to do right, but the banner you carry is tarnished with ASSumptions. I am NOT now, nor was I ever, defending mike. I stated my dealing, which is what this forum is for if I recall correctly though ms. manners may say otherwise, gave what I thought was good advice about leaving it be to mike and then took that advice and left. I don't follow all the crap on his facebook nor here. Hmmm, fancy that, I guess I did care a bit, but I've realized whilst writing that it's just not worth it, trying to edumacate those who know better such as yourself and ms. hollander. So, I bid you Later Dude, the snakes be a callin.

Posting an insult towards a person in a comments section under someone's post where they are talking smack is actually encouraging and emboldening to someone who is unstable like mike. Insulting a person while telling another to ignore her( when they are bashing her) is defending the person.
I don't see you telling anyone to ignore mike? I don't see you saying... Listen guys mike matson is a jerk or an immature egomaniacal unstable sociopath so just ignore him... You'l be happier if you did. That very much looks like support, defense and encouragement.
And you associate yourself enough with him to associate with him on facebook. And join in on negative comments towards another individual.
I am surprised at the age of 96 you don't comprehend that as association.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Wes did say, twice I believe, that Mike is not acting appropriate. He also said he's bought from him and interacted with him.

Not once did I read he was defending him.

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Mike continues on his chosen path of name calling and bullying, as if it will hush those who speak against him.

As far as this instance with the hognose, regardless if I believe he misrepresented the animal or not, the OP didn't contact him until the animal had passed, 40 days later.

She also had the opportunity to inspect the animal before purchase, so the fault really lies with her in this case.

I don't guarantee my snakes past live arrival, or occasionally a week. The most I've ever seen a breeder guarantee an animal is 30 days.

Food for thought.



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[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Look up the word association mr. graybeal. I've done business with mike twice. Long before this latest bit of non-sense. Look again at what I've said and not what you've heard. Time is key here. WHEN did I say what I did about mike? Was that, perhaps, before he went on this latest tirade? Hmmmm. And what have I said to mike since then mr. graybeal? To go on? That what he's doing is fine? Or was the me that told him a long time ago to stop being childish?

You still try to do right, but the banner you carry is tarnished with ASSumptions. I am NOT now, nor was I ever, defending mike. I stated my dealing, which is what this forum is for if I recall correctly though ms. manners may say otherwise, gave what I thought was good advice about leaving it be to mike and then took that advice and left. I don't follow all the crap on his facebook nor here. Hmmm, fancy that, I guess I did care a bit, but I've realized whilst writing that it's just not worth it, trying to edumacate those who know better such as yourself and ms. hollander. So, I bid you Later Dude, the snakes be a callin.

Wes did say, twice I believe, that Mike is not acting appropriate. He also said he's bought from him and interacted with him.

Not once did I read he was defending him.

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Mike continues on his chosen path of name calling and bullying, as if it will hush those who speak against him.

As far as this instance with the hognose, regardless if I believe he misrepresented the animal or not, the OP didn't contact him until the animal had passed, 40 days later.

She also had the opportunity to inspect the animal before purchase, so the fault really lies with her in this case.

I don't guarantee my snakes past live arrival, or occasionally a week. The most I've ever seen a breeder guarantee an animal is 30 days.

Food for thought.



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Yeah but this post isn't about the snake really. It's about mike matson.
I agree fully 100% that buying a snake in person and having it for a few weeks before death is not Matsons fault. I do know there is no such thing as a farmed Leioheterodon. That just doesn't exist. Judging from the ethics displayed by mike I tend to believe he misrepresented the snake as farm bred. Anyway all that's besides the point because the real issue here wasn't the snake itself it was matsons integrity. Which is completely shot.

 

[juliasara]

Wes did say, twice I believe, that Mike is not acting appropriate. He also said he's bought from him and interacted with him.

Not once did I read he was defending him.

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Mike continues on his chosen path of name calling and bullying, as if it will hush those who speak against him.

As far as this instance with the hognose, regardless if I believe he misrepresented the animal or not, the OP didn't contact him until the animal had passed, 40 days later.

She also had the opportunity to inspect the animal before purchase, so the fault really lies with her in this case.

I don't guarantee my snakes past live arrival, or occasionally a week. The most I've ever seen a breeder guarantee an animal is 30 days.

Food for thought.



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I partially agree, I think neither the buyer or mIke should hold 100% of the blame. The way mike handled the situation is what I really don't agree with. Instead of taking responsibility for his part he decided to insult the buyer and make posts about her on Facebook belittling and insulting her. I probably wouldn't have given her a refund either but I would have handled it very differently. I probably would have offered her a partial credit she could use towards something else I have for sale and would have respectfully explained why I made that decision. Like it has been said before everyone makes mistakes and I believe in giving people second chances, how you handle those mistakes dictates wether you earn the bad guy title or earn a second chance. Mr matson is the poster child for what to do to earn the bad guy title. Anyone who doesn't want that title should take notes and do the exact opposite! Mike could have had a chance to redeem himself but since he continues to bully, harass, insult everyone who he doesn't agree with I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed. It's too bad, I'll admit some of his frogs are pretty but his attitude and way of conducting business are not, and personally I would never do business with him and I'm sure I'm not the only one

 

[Snake-Queen]

Mike definitely handled this miserably.

He went on attack, instead of calmly discussing the issue.

Mike, where do you currently reside? California as your FB profile indicates or Washington as your Fauna profile indicates?



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[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Mike definitely handled this miserably.

He went on attack, instead of calmly discussing the issue.

Mike, where do you currently reside? California as your FB profile indicates or Washington as your Fauna profile indicates?



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CAlifornia

 

[bcr229]

I do know there is no such thing as a farmed Leioheterodon. That just doesn't exist.

As someone who doesn't deal with imports/wc critters, can I ask how you know there isn't one now? And yes I know it's proving a negative, unless Mike wants to state who the "farmer" is to prove your statement is wrong.

Judging from the ethics displayed by mike I tend to believe he misrepresented the snake as farm bred. Anyway all that's besides the point because the real issue here wasn't the snake itself it was matsons integrity. Which is completely shot.

In this thread page 4 post #40 Mike attached the ad where it states that the pair of Madagascar giant hognose he's selling are farmed imports.

 

[Fangthane]

Look up the word association mr. graybeal. I've done business with mike twice. Long before this latest bit of non-sense.

You did business with him after it was shown that he's a lying scammer who's repeatedly hidden behind fake names/accounts, harassment, bullying tactics, and whatever other shady activities you've chosen to ignore until now. You have actively supported him financially via business transactions, as well as continued association via FB posts and any other way in which you may have chosen to continue your relationship. Pretty simple, unless it's just another one of those situations where you find it convenient not to see it.

Throwing out some halfhearted comments about how he can sometimes be a 'buttwad' doesn't count for much when you're later on his FB page feeding into his shenanigans. Telling him his pettiness is making him look bad must seem like an impressive declaration to yourself, but it doesn't even come close to addressing anything other than his personality faults. Was he right for what he did to Rick Gutierrez? Noticed your sole contribution to that thread didn't seem to even imply any kind of disagreement with how he chose to handle it. No mention of your thoughts about him still continuing to string along someone he scammed some 5 + years ago. No problem with him rounding up FB posses against children? It's fine that he posts someone's number and actively advocates harassment? Noticed you never specifically addressed those aspects.

Yeah, limiting yourself to pointing out that he can be a petty buttwad is clearly an admirable stance showing an obvious disdain for those who've proven themselves to be of such low caliber. Enjoy that association.

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[JButera]

As someone who doesn't deal with imports/wc critters, can I ask how you know there isn't one now? And yes I know it's proving a negative, unless Mike wants to state who the "farmer" is to prove your statement is wrong.


In this thread page 4 post #40 Mike attached the ad where it states that the pair of Madagascar giant hognose he's selling are farmed imports.

Unless I'm mistaken, the op bought the snake from Mike (in person) at a Repticon show in Phoenix. That would make anything mentioned in an online ad irrelevant.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Unless I'm mistaken, the op bought the snake from Mike (in person) at a Repticon show in Phoenix. That would make anything mentioned in an online ad irrelevant.

Except that mike denies ever telling the customer they were farmed. He vehemently denied it. Yet then his post he clearly states they are farmed. So there is a a definite contradiction.

 

[JButera]

Except that mike denies ever telling the customer they were farmed. He vehemently denied it. Yet then his post he clearly states they are farmed. So there is a a definite contradiction.

My point being any ad regarding this snake transaction doesn't matter, it was purchased offline and in person.

 

[pardalis1]

That's terrible but for what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Repticon does not allow wc animals. Therefore the animals should not have been there in the first place! Also, dealers will sometimes call fresh imports, "farmed imports", to make them appear to be of higher quality and to be worth more. It's very hard to tell the difference. You have to trust who you're dealing with. Best of luck in the future and sorry for your loss.

 

[Fangthane]

Except that mike denies ever telling the customer they were farmed. He vehemently denied it.

Unless I managed to miss something, I think you may have too many situations going at once and got something mixed up. Hasn't it been his contention all along that he supposedly made it clear they're farmed? Given his utter lack of credibility, it's very debatable whether or not the conversation went down like he said it did; I just don't recall seeing him trying to backpedal on their supposedly farmed status.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Unless I managed to miss something, I think you may have too many situations going at once and got something mixed up. Hasn't it been his contention all along that he supposedly made it clear they're farmed? Given his utter lack of credibility, it's very debatable whether or not the conversation went down like he said it did; I just don't recall seeing him trying to backpedal on their supposedly farmed status.

correct this is Mike's statement earlier in this thread. It's up to the reader to decide if they want to believe it

The Madagascar hognose was a "farmed import" and she was told so at the show also. There is no documents or evidence supporting her claim that I told her this was a CB snake. My ads found on my Facebook back in April show that I listed them as farmed.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Unless I managed to miss something, I think you may have too many situations going at once and got something mixed up. Hasn't it been his contention all along that he supposedly made it clear they're farmed? Given his utter lack of credibility, it's very debatable whether or not the conversation went down like he said it did; I just don't recall seeing him trying to backpedal on their supposedly farmed status.

You know what you're right I am mistaken and confused. Can you blame me even mike can't keep his own lies straight how the hell am I supposed to be able to do it. So let me change that he insists they are farmed which is a lie. No
Such thing exists for this species.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

correct this is Mike's statement earlier in this thread. It's up to the reader to decide if they want to believe it

I think what would really help clear up this mess. Is having Mike Matson post proof that not only are these farmed imports but also that there is actually such a thing.
Let's see some proof.

 

[bcr229]

I think what would really help clear up this mess. Is having Mike Matson post proof that not only are these farmed imports but also that there is actually such a thing.
Let's see some proof.

Thank you, this is the question I'm asking. Mike is advertising these as farmed imports and stated that's what he told the OP her snake was (post #38) when it was purchased at the expo, while you and Edward Kowalski (post #130) both posted that there are no "farmers" for this particular species.

 

[Wilomn]

You did business with him after it was shown that he's a lying scammer who's repeatedly hidden behind fake names/accounts, harassment, bullying tactics, and whatever other shady activities you've chosen to ignore until now. You have actively supported him financially via business transactions, as well as continued association via FB posts and any other way in which you may have chosen to continue your relationship. Pretty simple, unless it's just another one of those situations where you find it convenient not to see it.

Throwing out some halfhearted comments about how he can sometimes be a 'buttwad' doesn't count for much when you're later on his FB page feeding into his shenanigans. Telling him his pettiness is making him look bad must seem like an impressive declaration to yourself, but it doesn't even come close to addressing anything other than his personality faults. Was he right for what he did to Rick Gutierrez? Noticed your sole contribution to that thread didn't seem to even imply any kind of disagreement with how he chose to handle it. No mention of your thoughts about him still continuing to string along someone he scammed some 5 + years ago. No problem with him rounding up FB posses against children? It's fine that he posts someone's number and actively advocates harassment? Noticed you never specifically addressed those aspects.

Yeah, limiting yourself to pointing out that he can be a petty buttwad is clearly an admirable stance showing an obvious disdain for those who've proven themselves to be of such low caliber. Enjoy that association.

mr. graybeal your hardon for me has you making stupid statements. I told you to check the time. I haven't done business with mike in a long time, long before any of this went down. Facts mr. graybeal, they are important. When you get them wrong it really makes you look bad. In my eyes, which as you know, are the only ones I'm concerned with.

I'm also amused that you know so much about my inner motivations and thoughts. Quite enlightening. Plain wrong and more than a little hubric, but amusing nontheless.

 

[Fangthane]

mr. graybeal your hardon for me has you making stupid statements. I told you to check the time. I haven't done business with mike in a long time, long before any of this went down.

I've known Mike a while. A few years actually and while we are not beer drinking buddies I have done business with him more than twice.

You've only known him for a few years, yet you haven't done business with him in a long time. Riiiiight. Makes perfect sense. Words, mr. pollock, have specific meanings. Ones you can't change on a whim to try to downplay the apparent fact that you've done business with, and are still not actively standing against, a known liar and scammer. "A few" =/= the 7 years it would have taken for your business to have occurred in order to precede the time when his activities were clearly shown in this forum. Seems an odd mistake for such a supposed wordsmith to have made.

I'm not on Dan's list but I'd like to think we're friends.

Guess it takes standing up against someone who's making baseless accusations against another one of your degenerate friends to become one of your degenerate friends. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Black Adder]

While I find all this back and forth a little amusing, we seem to have lost our way on the topic of this thread a little.
Not sure how any of these latest posts pertain to the title of the thread any longer?