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Bad Guy Buddy Young - Designer Boas - BAD DEAL

At this point the trust between the seller and buyer is shot. I wouldn't do business with someone if they treated me that way either. And it sounds like he has done it before if you believe what he said 'Iv done this a number of times and always get the money'. That alone puts him on my Do not buy list. As for the refund, if he hasnt sent anything I wouldnt count a refund out just yet. Even with animals if nothing is sent paypal refunds most of the time. I think he was just bluffing. Paypal wont give him your money without him sending you something first. Id also screenshot his email asking for the friends and family or that you add money on top to cover the fee since that violates paypal policies and might speed this up for you.
 
Wheels are in motion on Paypal side. They have all the info so I guess its wait and see what happens next.

And thank you for all the support. I buy a lot of snakes and this is the first time this has happened to me so its both a little embarrassing and frustrating.
 
I'm sick of this type of crap. In this day and age of experienced herpers and sellers, there should be no grey areas or omissions of info that inconveniences anyone spending their hard earned money. If I send money for an animal that is not ready to be shipped, I have a right to know that. Period. I het why the OP smelled a rat.
 
713Jason said:
Wheels are in motion on Paypal side. They have all the info so I guess its wait and see what happens next.

And thank you for all the support. I buy a lot of snakes and this is the first time this has happened to me so its both a little embarrassing and frustrating.
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Ugh, bad move bro. I checked in with him, he has a tracking number for you and a date set... you should approach this differently, you will lose right now.

Just a fact, reach out, say sorry, whatever and get your animals. Just my opinion, I'm new around here... so prolly don't do what I said. It sucks swallowing pride, I had to do that once... it sucked a little to a little.
 
If he's not there to receive the snake how does that work? If the seller ships it after the buyer told him he's not there and since the seller didn't ship on the agreed day the blame surely shouldn't fall on the buyer.
 
Exactly. The guy is lieing to you orca. That tracking # generated after I started the PayPal dispute.

What's funny is that he was all talking about the animals and how he can't ship due to heat yet he has a tracking number for it.
 
And what do you mean by swallow my pride and say I'm sorry? I have evidence of this dude screwing me. I'm not pissing on him if he's on fire much less eating crow. If he wants to rip someone off that's on his hands not mine.
 
Amelanistic Orca said:
Anybody get Buddy a head's up on this, so he can come clear this up real quick.
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Amelanistic Orca said:
Ugh, bad move bro. I checked in with him, he has a tracking number for you and a date set.
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He has a date set that he didn't confirm with the buyer to ship a live animal in the heat? So he's going to send a snake to its death to make sure he "wins"? Sounds like a great guy.
 
juliasara said:
If he's not there to receive the snake how does that work?.
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The snake dies because no one is there to receive it. But the seller "wins" so apparently that's all that matters. Thanks for the heads up Tom, if this seller is willing to ship without the buyer confirming he'll be there he's definitely a bad guy.
 
MCMB-2 said:
The snake dies because no one is there to receive it. But the seller "wins" so apparently that's all that matters. Thanks for the heads up Tom, if this seller is willing to ship without the buyer confirming he'll be there he's definitely a bad guy.
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Hey Nick! How you doing buddy!? It should be common sense that all that needs to be done is confirm a date, Buddy drops off... and bingo, deal is done.

He's not shipping any old day he feels like it. Buddy has been doing this for 20yrs. Take a moment out and digest everything in its entirety. Have a sweet weekend too Nick!
 
Amelanistic Orca said:
Ugh, bad move bro. I checked in with him, he has a tracking number for you and a date set... you should approach this differently, you will lose right now.

Just a fact, reach out, say sorry, whatever and get your animals. Just my opinion, I'm new around here... so prolly don't do what I said. It sucks swallowing pride, I had to do that once... it sucked a little to a little.
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Do you mean bad move on Buddy for shipping when the receiver made it very clear he would not be there to accept? Buddy will lose this based on all the facts here and you are losing some credibility for speaking on Buddy's behalf. Tell him to get on here and talk for himself, also to communicate better and directly, not have you speaking for him.

Just a fact, tell Buddy to send the money and say sorry as that all that is welcome now, whatever and move on... sell it to someone who wants to do business with him; maybe you can buy it since your the only who seems doing business with him makes sense. Sorry for being a jerk but you are out of line with this "bad move bro..." stuff.
 
Amelanistic Orca said:
Buddy has been doing this for 20yrs. Take a moment out and digest everything in its entirety.
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I don't think 20 years means anything if you make even one bad deal to the buyer. I have taken a lot of my moments to digest and Buddy has shown his true colors. Not worth doing business with and should just give the guy back his money.
 
Amelanistic Orca said:
Hey Nick! How you doing buddy!? It should be common sense that all that needs to be done is confirm a date, Buddy drops off... and bingo, deal is done.

He's not shipping any old day he feels like it. Buddy has been doing this for 20yrs. Take a moment out and digest everything in its entirety. Have a sweet weekend too Nick!
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Thanks Tom, I'm doing well :). Hope you are too. I thought you were implying that he had already planned a shipping date without confirming with the buyer, which to me is very irresponsible especially when dealing with live animals. I apologize if I misunderstood.

To me it sounds like the buyer doesn't want to do business with him anymore. It seems like the best thing for both parties is to go through with a refund and part ways. Just because someone has been in business for a while doesn't make them automatically in the right, and for him to clutch so desperately to $200 seems fairly petty. Holding someone's money hostage because you're mad at them is no way to do business.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
Was it really that bad to wait a couple weeks to get her? What a mess.
It does look bad the seller is saying he'll 'win' the money but also does seem like he's still willing to ship her. How did you send the funds? Did you ask about terms beforehand (where seller says credit, no refunds)?
What can be done to resolve this now? You're demanding a refund, sounds like you won't get it, what would be acceptable? Do you no longer what the boa?
I hope you both can calm down and come to a solution.
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If I want a reptile, call five people who have what I'm looking for, and pick one I trust, who then discloses after payment that he is the only one who send the animal at the customer's convenience. Any honest business person in my honest opinion would refund in a second in an instance like this. This particular post seems out of character.
 
Out of curiosity, I clicked on the other bad guy thread about Buddy. He didn't reply to that one for two year, and only after it was resurrected. It looks like Tom was the one who got him to post then.

This is all really bad (or good) timing as I am wanting to get back into boas, and Buddy is one of the people I was considering making a purchase from.
 
Buddy told the op he had someone else wanting the snake. If that was the case, why not give Jason back his money and simply sell it to the other buyer?
 
Amelanistic Orca said:
It should be common sense that all that needs to be done is confirm a date, Buddy drops off... and bingo, deal is done.

He's not shipping any old day he feels like it. Buddy has been doing this for 20yrs. Take a moment out and digest everything in its entirety.
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We already confirmed a date and he flaked. When that happened my window shut for being able to receive the animal and so now the deal is done. Why is that so difficult? All he has to do is refund my money. I dont understand the unwillingness to be reasonable
 
713Jason said:
We already confirmed a date and he flaked. When that happened my window shut for being able to receive the animal and so now the deal is done. Why is that so difficult? All he has to do is refund my money. I dont understand the unwillingness to be reasonable
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The fact is, if you don't want to do business with him there's no reason you should have to. It would be different if you had buyer's remorse and changed your mind for no reason, but he set a date for shipping and then changed it once you paid. There is absolutely no reason why you should be forced to either take the snake or credit on a different snake. He's being a turd and I wouldn't want to do business with him either. The fact that he's refusing to send a refund says enough.

For someone who's been doing this for 20 years he sure is desperate to make $250. Maybe the boa market isn't looking as good as I thought.
 
I think it is weird that the plan was to ship it that Tuesday, but Buddy wanted to get another meal in it, and have it shed again before shipping. When I kept boas, I could guess when they were going to shed, but couldn't give an accurate shipping date based on it. I also fed neonates every 7-10 days, so if I had to ship one, it didn't eat that week. It hadn't been fed when payment was made, as he says that the next day was feeding day. Later he says it will puke if it is shipped because it is in shed. Was it in shed when it was fed?

Buddy requested an address for shipment on the 30th, but in the text from the 6th says he never got it. What did he put on the shipping label after he was told you didn't want the snake?
 
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