Bad Guy Buddy Young - Designer Boas - BAD DEAL

[ElexisC]

We aren't dealing with Walmart though. For example, go to Prehistoric Pets and check their terms. No refunds for not wanting to wait for safer shipping conditions which applies to this situation. This is an industry standard practice.

He said nothing about temps at first. Only that he wanted it to shed and eat before he shipped AFTER the shipping day passed. Are you reading this with biased eyes?

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[ElexisC]

This is avoiding my point of why should it have been a big deal to wait until he was free to recieve the shipment of buddy offered to care for it himself. That should have been the end of that conversation there and never made it to name calling between either party

And why do you care if the customer didn't want to wait, again the temps were brought up only after buddy said he wanted it to shed and eat again before it shipped so would be 2 more weeks at least. If he had let the customer know Monday that "hey the temps are too high this week can we do it another day? I can hold it here till you get back into town" no buddy insisted he send the snake immediately and/or hold it after the feeding and shedding ploy didn't work and the customer wanted his money back, only then did buddy say no cash refunds

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[ElexisC]

We aren't dealing with Walmart though. For example, go to Prehistoric Pets and check their terms. No refunds for not wanting to wait for safer shipping conditions which applies to this situation. This is an industry standard practice.

Also prehistoric pets has there terms listed, buddy? I've never seen them and seems no one can find them. So please tell me how prehistoric even compares to buddy.

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[ianedward1]

I just don't personally feel that I can agree with that. My opinion on it is that due to the age of the internet and ability to constantly shop, it's a way to avoid people backing out simply because they changed their mind or found a better deal. That's just my thought anyways. I honestly think that both parties got way too far into a who is the big hard baller. I've waited a month on a snake that got delayed because of shipping conditions, and that was fine with me. I honestly believe it should have been a "I won't be home for a month; I'm sorry, I will care for it for you for a month for free" end of story. That's just my opinion from my experiences.

 

[ElexisC]

I just don't personally feel that I can agree with that. My opinion on it is that due to the age of the internet and ability to constantly shop, it's a way to avoid people backing out simply because they changed their mind or found a better deal. That's just my thought anyways. I honestly think that both parties got way too far into a who is the big hard baller. I've waited a month on a snake that got delayed because of shipping conditions, and that was fine with me. I honestly believe it should have been a "I won't be home for a month; I'm sorry, I will care for it for you for a month for free" end of story. That's just my opinion from my experiences.

You're not comprehending this are you? Temps were NOT brought up until this thread. Buddy told the customer AFTER he paid and was supposed to ship it would be TWO more weeks before he shipped THAT snake. Because the customer didn't like being toyed with he wanted his money back, then BUDDY started the no cash refunds, insisting the snake be shipped immediately then said he could hold the snake. Shipping conditions were NOT brought up till this thread or at the very earliest right before the thread. So why do you keep making it seem the customer refused to wait for good shipping weather when he wasn't even told it would be too hot at first?

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[ElexisC]

And you neatly avoided my comment about prehistoric pets and buddy's terms.

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[ianedward1]

And you neatly avoided my comment about prehistoric pets and buddy's terms.

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That comment was towards MCMB, not you. I believe you might be a bit biased yourself in that you seem to be out for blood rather than looking at this calmly as a BOI. I have not gone looking for Buddy's TOS because I have never had any need, but why should I expect them to be any different than what (in my experience) is the norm? And while he may not be the size of Jay Brewer, I can assure you he produces and sells a sizable number of boas.

 

[ElexisC]

That comment was towards MCMB, not you. I believe you might be a bit biased yourself in that you seem to be out for blood rather than looking at this calmly as a BOI. I have not gone looking for Buddy's TOS because I have never had any need, but why should I expect them to be any different than what (in my experience) is the norm? And while he may not be the size of Jay Brewer, I can assure you he produces and sells a sizable number of boas.

I'm not biased. I always admired buddy's boas and have been thinking of purchasing from him, now after seeing how he treats his customer when something goes wrong, I will not be making a purchase

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[ianedward1]

I'm not biased. I always admired buddy's boas and have been thinking of purchasing from him, now after seeing how he treats his customer when something goes wrong, I will not be making a purchase

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And that's exactly what BOI is here to help you decide. Like I said, I think both parties have fault here for being hotheaded instead of just the dealer. Buddy believed he was not revising the emails and he was insulted that such a thought could be possible. He did do the right thing by stating they got wires crossed, but then Buddy wanted to step up to the plate for a telling match. I personally don't understand not being fine with having a snake cared for at no cost while you are absent. I have been there myself. If I put the money down, then that means I want that animal and no other. Obviously, the buyer thought he was getting screwed I assume. In my dealings though, I would say that Buddy was legitimately offering to care for the animal if that is what it took. That's just all I can say.

 

[ElexisC]

And that's exactly what BOI is here to help you decide. Like I said, I think both parties have fault here for being hotheaded instead of just the dealer. Buddy believed he was not revising the emails and he was insulted that such a thought could be possible. He did do the right thing by stating they got wires crossed, but then Buddy wanted to step up to the plate for a telling match. I personally don't understand not being fine with having a snake cared for at no cost while you are absent. I have been there myself. If I put the money down, then that means I want that animal and no other. Obviously, the buyer thought he was getting screwed I assume. In my dealings though, I would say that Buddy was legitimately offering to care for the animal if that is what it took. That's just all I can say.

Show me where the buyer got hot headed before buddy insulted him. He had a dead line and when that wasn't met, was lied to, bullied, and taunted the buyer trying to make him submit to what he wanted no I wouldn't want the snake and id want my money back.

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[ianedward1]

Show me where the buyer got hot headed before buddy insulted him. He had a dead line and when that wasn't met, was lied to, bullied, and taunted the buyer trying to make him submit to what he wanted no I wouldn't want the snake and id want my money back.

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In the texts before being referenced as a deadbeat, Buddy said that he had responded to his emails and to check his spam. The buyer stuff that Buddy was patronizing him and then threatened legal action. That's a pretty quick jump in my eyes.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I have not gone looking for Buddy's TOS because I have never had any need, but why should I expect them to be any different than what (in my experience) is the norm? And while he may not be the size of Jay Brewer, I can assure you he produces and sells a sizable number of boas.

I'm sure you're right, he probably does a large number of animals; like I said, I personally prefer to buy from breeders who can tell me specifics about animals and that I know can respond to me if I have questions. That's the sort of business I try to provide and the sort of customer service I expect when I'm purchasing, so for me the experience (and expectation) is decidedly different.

You're absolutely right about holding money so that buyers can't just get buyer's remorse or find a better deal and back out, but I wasn't referring to that at all. To me, non-refundable deposits are a completely different scenario than what is going on here. Buddy agreed to ship by a certain date, changed that date without informing the buyer, and then made excuses as to why he couldn't ship. At that point I think the buyer was owed a refund.

If I make a promise to a buyer and don't fulfill it, I consider it my responsibility to resolve the issue to make the buyer happy. If that means we still ship at a later date and I give a small discount, great. If that means I just give a full refund and apologize, that's also fine. Holding the money hostage if you're the one at fault is not good business, regardless of what your terms say.

 

[ElexisC]

In the texts before being referenced as a deadbeat, Buddy said that he had responded to his emails and to check his spam. The buyer stuff that Buddy was patronizing him and then threatened legal action. That's a pretty quick jump in my eyes.

I can't attach with this phone for some reason, not going to get infractions for not attaching. But I see no threat of legal action where you're talking about, please show me where. He said "before I force the issue" leading me to think PayPal claim. And he also said he works through email all day and had spam turned off so that there says buddy lied about emailing

 

[ianedward1]

I can't attach with this phone for some reason, not going to get infractions for not attaching. But I see no threat of legal action where you're talking about, please show me where. He said "before I force the issue" leading me to think PayPal claim. And he also said he works through email all day and had spam turned off so that there says buddy lied about emailing

In this text he attached, Buddy shows his email list saying he replied marked by the return arrow. The buyer threatens legal action. Can we truly be 100% about the email either way? Could Buddy have responded and it get lost in the mass of emails this buyer claims to get? Could there be a draft sitting in Buddy's mail that was never sent? These answers can only be guessed really and the truth could be a big factor in why things went the way they did.

 

[ElexisC]

In this text he attached, Buddy shows his email list saying he replied marked by the return arrow. The buyer threatens legal action. Can we truly be 100% about the email either way? Could Buddy have responded and it get lost in the mass of emails this buyer claims to get? Could there be a draft sitting in Buddy's mail that was never sent? These answers can only be guessed really and the truth could be a big factor in why things went the way they did.

Pursue it legally threw PayPal, you can see that's clearly what it meant. That's not threatening a lawyer or anything else. He was going to take the only legal action he had. There was never a mention of court lawyers or anything. And that was after buddy had already told him he was keeping his money, and id check the dates of those, it says right after that that those emails were sent after the time period buddy said. Go read the text after that, that explains it.

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[ElexisC]

Pursue it legally threw PayPal, you can see that's clearly what it meant. That's not threatening a lawyer or anything else. He was going to take the only legal action he had. There was never a mention of court lawyers or anything. And that was after buddy had already told him he was keeping his money, and id check the dates of those, it says right after that that those emails were sent after the time period buddy said. Go read the text after that, that explains it.

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Sent before, sorry.

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[ElexisC]

That email buddy shows is June 30th, the OP showed emails that did not come any time after the 30th and July 6th at least. And I know if I'm already emailing back and forth, even with spam filter, I always get the email because I had already corresponded with them. That spam folder is a ploy.

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[ElexisC]

Let me clear that up, the op showed no emails came after that June 30th email from body till at least the 6th. And again if you're already corresponding with that person, their email will not go to your spam folder. So I never believe that when I see it.

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[LJReptiles]

WOW this is sad, looks like this should have been so easy to solve, refund his money move on.

 

[ElexisC]

WOW this is sad, looks like this should have been so easy to solve, refund his money move on.

And if he had done that, I'd happily purchase from him. But he didn't. He refused, lied, bullied, and taunted. This could have been solved VERY easily, but now thanks to his own actions I'll never buy a boa from Buddy.