Info *BEWARE* Jim Stelpflug-Questionable Ethics

[DavidBeard]

I still, after reading this entire thread, haven't seen where you back up your initial claims in your very first post. All you have done is show me that I would happily deal with Jim and expect the transation to be smooth and satisfactory. If that was your intent the thread was a success

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone....

What claims did I *not* back up? Again, I have shown no dishonesty or lied at all in this thread. The same cannot be said of the opposition.

 

[Robert Walker]

This thread serves no purpose. Its petty Facebook drama. David Beard sounds like he has mental illness of some kind. I couldn't even read half the thread because it devolved into the kind of trash you can find on Reddit or 4Chan. Way to go BOI for becoming the thing you say you are not.

Way to go "member" for posting on the BOI, you just contributed to the same trash you just finished criticizing. Thus far the actual BOI has not said a single word.

 

[Logan85]

In case anyone missed it.....I'm not the one completely making up lies about Jim. He has done that several times in this thread.

I want some answers to the above questions. Not more deflection from Jim's groupies.

This Logan Lutes person sent me friend request on FB yesterday, which I accepted, then sent him a PM telling him that I usually don't accept FR from people I don't know, and inquiring why he sent me one.....no answer, so I deleted him. I guess people who are friends with Jim are attempting to gain more info on me for some reason?

Yet I was the one soliciting people to lie about Jim? Come on people....

Jim had nothing to do with (or knowledge of) what I did, posted here, or the knowledge I acquired. I did send you a friend request. For my own personal reasons. Mainly because I saw this obscene post and wanted to know more about you, which worked. Thanks . I have 30 screen shots of quite a few things you have posted over the years. Considering this forum does not allow cursing, and the amount of profanity you use, plus the number of people involved, I don't feel like it is worth my time to edit all of it out. I already stated the summary of what they reveal about your character. One point I did leave out is a post you made inquiring about an obvious snow albino leopard gecko you acquired from petsmart stating your sister let's you know when they get the good stuff. You bought (assuming you paid for it, unless you somehow acquire pet shop animals for free) the gecko, then posted asking its morph AND MARKET VALUE. That's the interesting part there. We're you asking for its value to sell it? I don't know, but I know I DON'T CARE what the VALUE of my pets are if I have no interest in breeding them or selling them. Also, there are many posts about you ranting and raving about your "pride" in not being a "breeder". You talk about the animal's well being, blah blah blah. You bought a gecko from Petsmart. Guess who sells them geckos? Wholesale breeders who are almost guaranteed to be less ethical, clean, or any way shape/form even remotely as close of a well respected breeder like Jim.

 

[DavidBeard]

The only mental illness I'm suffering from is being driven crazy with all the liars coming out of the woodwork to fabricate tall tales about me.

*I'm being facetious of course, lies with no substance behind them impact me very little personally

 

[DavidBeard]

Jim had nothing to do with (or knowledge of) what I did, posted here, or the knowledge I acquired. I did send you a friend request. For my own personal reasons. Mainly because I saw this obscene post and wanted to know more about you, which worked. Thanks . I have 30 screen shots of quite a few things you have posted over the years. Considering this forum does not allow cursing, and the amount of profanity you use, plus the number of people involved, I don't feel like it is worth my time to edit all of it out. I already stated the summary of what they reveal about your character. One point I did leave out is a post you made inquiring about an obvious snow albino leopard gecko you acquired from petsmart stating your sister let's you know when they get the good stuff. You bought (assuming you paid for it, unless you somehow acquire pet shop animals for free) the gecko, then posted asking its morph AND MARKET VALUE. That's the interesting part there. We're you asking for its value to sell it? I don't know, but I know I DON'T CARE what the VALUE of my pets are if I have no interest in breeding them or selling them. Also, there are many posts about you ranting and raving about your "pride" in not being a "breeder". You talk about the animal's well being, blah blah blah. You bought a gecko from Petsmart. Guess who sells them geckos? Wholesale breeders who are almost guaranteed to be less ethical, clean, or any way shape/form even remotely as close of a well respected breeder like Jim.

Prove it. I have ONE Leopard Gecko, which was not purchased from Petsmart. I'd be glad to contact the breeder I DID purchase her from and post accompanying screen shots to prove you wrong though.

 

[Logan85]

Prove it. I have ONE Leopard Gecko, which was not purchased from Petsmart. I'd be glad to contact the breeder I DID purchase her from and post accompanying screen shots to prove you wrong though.

When did I ever say you still own this leopard gecko? Like I said before, asking a FB group about its morph and market value would lead me to believe you wouldn't have kept it long.

 

[jcarrender]

I feel strongly that someone who deals with people of a seedy nature knowingly only seeking our personal gain is a person lacking in moral fibre themselves.

What claims did I *not* back up? Again, I have shown no dishonesty or lied at all in this thread. The same cannot be said of the opposition.

See above. You didn't just call him out in his business you basically called him a dirtbag based on him collecting an old debt??????? You also were rebuffed on his "moral fibre" many times in this thread by other members who actually know him.

*I'm being facetious of course

Yes, yes you are.

A quick search of you on this forum show you have a bit of a history of calling people out on dealings and transaction you had nothing to do with

THE SKY IS FALLING< THE SKY IS FALLING

 

[DavidBeard]

When did I ever say you still own this leopard gecko? Like I said before, asking a FB group about its morph and market value would lead me to believe you wouldn't have kept it long.

Prove. It.

 

[Logan85]

Prove. It.

Okay then, if you insist.

 

[jcarrender]

Well.... he proved it

 

[Logan85]

Well.... he proved it

 

[DavidBeard]

LOL, I was still vending shows and buying/selling/trading to get stock for them at that time (2014). I believe I ended up giving that gecko away to someone as a pet for their daughter but I cannot be certain.

Not sure what that proves or is "unethical" about that. I honestly had forgot all about that particular animal until I saw its picture.

Your point?

 

[Logan85]

Well.... he proved it

I have a ton of screenshots of this Beard guy literally doing nothing but intentionally trying to start arguments, down talking people like he should be worshipped, and then gloating in the fact he irritates people. I'm trying to avoid the hassle of posting all these screenshots due to amount of profanity coming from Beard. It would take me a great deal of time to filter it all out them attach the 30ish screenshots. He has no leg to stand on, and tried to discredit Jim. His failed attempt is quite laughable really.

 

[Logan85]

LOL, I was still vending shows and buying/selling/trading to get stock for them at that time (2014). I believe I ended up giving that gecko away to someone as a pet for their daughter but I cannot be certain.

Not sure what that proves or is "unethical" about that. I honestly had forgot all about that particular animal until I saw its picture.

Your point?

Prove it. Petsmart flipper, lol. One can assume anything. My point is, you assume Jim is a questionable character because he collected a debt from another questionable character. Why am I wrong to assume you inquiring the value of a Petsmart animal doesn't mean you wanted to sell it? If you were giving it to some poor, sweet girl as her pet what did the monetary value matter? It only matters if you plan on selling it.

 

[Logan85]

LOL, I was still vending shows and buying/selling/trading to get stock for them at that time (2014). I believe I ended up giving that gecko away to someone as a pet for their daughter but I cannot be certain.

Not sure what that proves or is "unethical" about that. I honestly had forgot all about that particular animal until I saw its picture.

Your point?

So it is okay for you to forget about an animal from 3 years ago, but not for Jim (who deals with way more than you do) to forget about a deal from 4-5 years ago? Huh. Interesting.

 

[DavidBeard]

I probably did offer it for sale at one point or another, likely well below market value. That's why I tend to check and see what some things were going for, because in Kentucky/Indiana shows you typically can't sell a thing unless its quite a bit cheaper than everywhere else. That's part of the reason I stopped vending.

This turnabout is going nicely, Lets distract from the blatant lies Jim has told and try to turn to focus on me. That'll show everyone!

What about the lies about me being PAID to start this thread? Or soliciting 50 people to lie about Jim on here? Sweep those under the rug, just Jim did my original posts on FB.

Any more criminal friends going to come out of the wood work and nitpick me?

 

[Logan85]

I probably did offer it for sale at one point or another, likely well below market value. That's why I tend to check and see what some things were going for, because in Kentucky/Indiana shows you typically can't sell a thing unless its quite a bit cheaper than everywhere else. That's part of the reason I stopped vending.

This turnabout is going nicely, Lets distract from the blatant lies Jim has told and try to turn to focus on me. That'll show everyone!

What about the lies about me being PAID to start this thread? Or soliciting 50 people to lie about Jim on here? Sweep those under the rug, just Jim did my original posts on FB.

Any more criminal friends going to come out of the wood work and nitpick me?

So did you just admit you tried to flip an animal you bought at PetSmart with knowing no genetic history of and present it as a Snow Albino? Seems ethical. You are DEFINITELY qualified to questions Jim's ethics. Also, I am no more of a criminal than any average person (speeding is a crime, YOU CRIMINAL! everyone has made a mistake at some point whether caught, or not). In fact, I was a law enforcement officer for some time. I'll assume you were referring to others though. Since assumptions seem to be a trend.

 

[Logan85]

I probably did offer it for sale at one point or another, likely well below market value. That's why I tend to check and see what some things were going for, because in Kentucky/Indiana shows you typically can't sell a thing unless its quite a bit cheaper than everywhere else. That's part of the reason I stopped vending.

This turnabout is going nicely, Lets distract from the blatant lies Jim has told and try to turn to focus on me. That'll show everyone!

What about the lies about me being PAID to start this thread? Or soliciting 50 people to lie about Jim on here? Sweep those under the rug, just Jim did my original posts on FB.

Any more criminal friends going to come out of the wood work and nitpick me?

Am I obligated now to make a BOI post on your unethical behavior trying to flip PetSmart animals?

 

[DavidBeard]

So did you just admit you tried to flip an animal you bought at PetSmart with knowing no genetic history of and present it as a Snow Albino? Seems ethical. You are DEFINITELY qualified to questions Jim's ethics. Also, I am no more of a criminal than any average person (speeding is a crime, YOU CRIMINAL! everyone has made a mistake at some point whether caught, or not). In fact, I was a law enforcement officer for some time. I'll assume you were referring to others though. Since assumptions seem to be a trend.

Unless you have evidence that I SOLD that animal as a GUARANTEED Snow, then you don't have a leg to stand on. I always sold the Leos that I did not have a genetic background on as "visual ____" pet quality Leos. I never sold a single animal that was not honestly represented and you will not be able to find an example of me stiffing someone on a $1500 trade like Jim did.

Try again.

 

[jcarrender]

Unless you have evidence that I SOLD that animal as a GUARANTEED Snow, then you don't have a leg to stand on. I always sold the Leos that I did not have a genetic background on as "visual ____" pet quality Leos. I never sold a single animal that was not honestly represented and you will not be able to find an example of me stiffing someone on a $1500 trade like Jim did.

Try again.

Serious, I say this with all joking aside. Just stop. It didn't work and every post you make continues to show your "moral fibre" and just looks worse and worse....