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Bad Guy Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger

Keven2 said:
Omg my vet is out of town on vacation! He is normally here. Doesn't mean my reptiles are always suffering. I pray to God I don't ever treat another human being the way you have treated me! I've never seen a site that totally berates another member the way this does! Someone will end up committing suicide over this site one day mark my words. Have you ever read the lives destroyed off of this site. It's disgusting! I'm sure you will have some smart ass comments to say about this post so go ahead. Tear me down some more. Make yourselves feel better!
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Oh please, I used to be on sites that would find pictures of me to make fun of my weight, over my opinion of a movie. The only one here who really has really been harsh is Ed, but you're no angel with digging up old threads of his to try and make yourself look better (newsflash, it hasn't).

You don't like that people are criticizing your care of animals, then stop whining, man up, and take them to a vet that seems to be 17 minutes away. You claim you care for these animals then turn around and say you're going to kill a bunch of them because people have shown concern over animals you don't seem to know anything about.

You say this is your life, but you are also caring for your bedridden son. Maybe you should put more time and money into caring for your son and not buying and flipping animals you don't know about.

Stop screaming abuse when what is happening towards you is nowhere near abuse. It's people calling you out on your crap care of living beings. Big difference.
 
Keven2 said:
Omg my vet is out of town on vacation! He is normally here. Doesn't mean my reptiles are always suffering. I pray to God I don't ever treat another human being the way you have treated me! I've never seen a site that totally berates another member the way this does! Someone will end up committing suicide over this site one day mark my words. Have you ever read the lives destroyed off of this site. It's disgusting! I'm sure you will have some smart ass comments to say about this post so go ahead. Tear me down some more. Make yourselves feel better!
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Everything Lucille has said about you has merit and alot of it was guided to help you. she pointed out some of your mistakes and lies which were many.

Just because your vet is out of town does not mean you allow the animal to suffer and die.you go see another vet, the time or distance involved does not matter, that's what we do as responsible pet owners.

There will always be comments on the site.

As far as you berating this site I can offer a solution to you.

There's the door now use it!
 
Insomniac101 said:
Keven, you're overreacting.
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I agree, and overreacting to the point where it blows back on you and makes you seem somewhat unbalanced. Here you are thanking me for creating the separate Tabea thread in response to this one:

Keven2 said:
I just want to say thank you for posting this.
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But then when you disagree with someone you start talking euthanasia:
Keven2 said:
So at this point you have probably crushed my ability to sell anything on here and having so many rescues that no one wants I will have to start uthenizing them.
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And suicide:

Keven2 said:
Someone will end up committing suicide over this site one day mark my words.
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Mix all your drama with the lies you have been caught in, and I think that the challenge to your reputation was created by you, yourself, not anyone else here.
 
It's worth mentioning that Keven is now posting on Ed Clark's BOI to deflect from his own issues. He claimed the he is now receiving phone calls, presumably from Ed, then stated "do I need to worry about my family from this psycho??"

Keven, those are serious claims that you need to back up with evidence. Regardless of Ed's history, it is unethical to make false harassment claims. Given your own history, I place no weight in any of your claims without additional evidence.

Link to Ed Clark's BOI with Keven's claims and member follow-up: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174810&page=11
 

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Keven you have said I threatened you, that is not true I have never threatened you. you said I called you, that is not true I have never called you and I will never have a reason to call you.

You posted a small section of your karma log saying my note to you was a threat, once again another lie.while we are on that subject it seems like numerous others have left you notes letting you know their thoughts about you also.the only positive karma that I seen was from Mike Schultz,now we know where your reptiles and amphibians are coming from.

Keven you have posted you might have to kill all your herps because people are calling you out for your sick herps that you are trying to sell.you have talked about suicide. there are just too many disturbing things you have posted that makes a sensible person begin to wonder.

Keven you make up excuses about everything it's never your fault never!
you have really sunk to the lowest level bringing your children into your excuses.

You are a classic example of a person that should NOT own pets never mind keeping large numbers to sell.hell you gave your son a sick frog and sold sick frogs to your friends kids.

You should seek professional help with your many problems.the things you talk about are troubling to say the least.
 

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It's worth mentioning that Keven is now posting on Ed Clark's BOI to deflect from his own issues. He claimed the he is now receiving phone calls, presumably from Ed, then stated "do I need to worry about my family from this psycho??"

Keven, those are serious claims that you need to back up with evidence. Regardless of Ed's history, it is unethical to make false harassment claims. Given your own history, I place no weight in any of your claims without additional evidence.

Link to Ed Clark's BOI with Keven's claims and member follow-up: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174810&page=11
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That is seriously pathetic, the actions of a petulant child who isn't getting their way.

10 to 1, the frog is already deceased.
 
Snake-Queen said:
That is seriously pathetic, the actions of a petulant child who isn't getting their way.

10 to 1, the frog is already deceased.
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As if the word of mr. clark can be taken at face value. Those who defend him know better and yet there they are, sticking up for a known liar and thief. Makes me wonder why.
 
Wilomn said:
As if the word of mr. clark can be taken at face value. Those who defend him know better and yet there they are, sticking up for a known liar and thief. Makes me wonder why.
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I'm not sticking up for anyone. I've read that thread, years ago. However, some people can change.

My comment is based on Keven's pathetic attempt at deflection.

I've offered sound advice to Keven & he reads over it, but grabs on to anything slightly negative and whines.

Keven needs to stop buying subpar animals & stick with what he knows.
 
Snake-Queen said:
I'm not sticking up for anyone. I've read that thread, years ago. However, some people can change.

My comment is based on Keven's pathetic attempt at deflection.

I've offered sound advice to Keven & he reads over it, but grabs on to anything slightly negative and whines.

Keven needs to stop buying subpar animals & stick with what he knows.
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It wasn't you I was referring to. And mr clark did change. In the beginning, when he was doing ball pythons, he was a decent guy. Now, not so much.
 
Wilomn said:
As if the word of mr. clark can be taken at face value. Those who defend him know better and yet there they are, sticking up for a known liar and thief. Makes me wonder why.
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I will say this, there doesn't appear to be any new BG threads on Ed for the past 6-7 years, that should say something.
 
Wilomn said:
It wasn't you I was referring to. And mr clark did change. In the beginning, when he was doing ball pythons, he was a decent guy. Now, not so much.
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I see.
I don't know much about Mr. Clark, so I cannot comment on that, other than there isn't any recent negative threads about him.
 
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I will say this, there doesn't appear to be any new BG threads on Ed for the past 6-7 years, that should say something.
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I think it was some snark directed at me. Like you, I have observed that he has had no bad guy threads for a while and has racked up some positive feedback scores. But in one of the threads I specifically said recently that Ed doesn't get a pass for his transgressions.
Wes and I go way back, with his then girlfriend Rozann, who wanted us to talk to each other (even wanted us to fly out and meet one another). We talked a lot. But during hundreds of hours of conversations about politics, children, etc, he was never happy that I would not criticize Fauna, at the time, he had been banned from here a number of times and wanted me to agree that Rich was unfair, which I didn't. So every once in a while he gets a case of the nasties, because I wouldn't cave.
 
Lucille said:
I think it was some snark directed at me. Like you, I have observed that he has had no bad guy threads for a while and has racked up some positive feedback scores. But in one of the threads I specifically said recently that Ed doesn't get a pass for his transgressions.
Wes and I go way back, with his then girlfriend Rozann, who wanted us to talk to each other (even wanted us to fly out and meet one another). We talked a lot. But during hundreds of hours of conversations about politics, children, etc, he was never happy that I would not criticize Fauna, at the time, he had been banned from here a number of times and wanted me to agree that Rich was unfair, which I didn't. So every once in a while he gets a case of the nasties, because I wouldn't cave.
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ms. hollander, you are a bald faced liar.
 
No, Wes. You are a controller. I think you have some good qualities, but you start spewing vile nasty stuff when people disagree with you.
 
Kevin, how can you justify selling frogs before knowing if the sick one is contagious?
 
JCCS said:
If you had reservations about the ability of the buyer to care for the animals, you should not have sold them to her. Yes, she screwed up, she's a newb, they screw up, it's what they do. The point of an ethical seller is to set them up for success and that includes not selling to them if they do not seem ready. You were obviously suspicious that she was going to stick them in a 20 gallon, but you did not require proof of proper enclosure before shipping her the animals. I'm not claiming you owe her a refund or anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your claims that you care for your animals more than anything while showing all the actions of a common, low level flipper.
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I've purchased god know how many animals over the years ( some sellers here) and not a single seller asked if I knew how to care for them. It's up to the buyer to research the care of the animal their buying not the seller.
I don't know the seller nor do I know anything about him selling unhealthy animals.
My comment is in regards to your comment about him selling to her.
 
Joel, I've bought and sold many, many animals over the years. If I had any doubt, as Keven had expressed in this thread, that the person did not have the equipment/knowledge to properly care for the animal for sale. I sure as hell would have voided the transaction. Just from a business aspect, it's just an accident waiting to happen and a bunch of drama avoided. From the much more important aspect, I will not put animals in a place where I know they will not receive proper husbandry, period. Keven was the one who knew she didn't have the proper equipment and still just wanted the money bad enough to put the animal in a crappy situation. If you're fine with that, I just don't know what to say. Also, if you read the rest of the thread, you might get some more context on the whole situation.
 
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