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Inquiry Lucille Hollander

Big Time Reptiles said:
Mike, my post wasn't meant to get your bowels in an up roar..I was just posting what I feel, nothing more.


If my post upset you, my apology, that wasn't my intentions...

Is it possible to post what you're claiming Lucille did?

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles
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Not sure what you perceived as an uproar or why my bowels are of your concern. If a calm reply challenging your claim is upsetting to you, talk to your therapist, or something :shrug01:

It's on one thread about me somewhere, some body ordered a corn snake, I made a mistake and didn't update the site availability so I apologized and refunded her as soon as I realized the mistake after the weekend. According to her she was persuaded by Lucille to post here and seek compensation for lost wages or something. Anyways I suppose that's hearsay since she said it and not Lucille.
 
The way I see it, the BOI, and the situations addressed herein, are more relevant to business transactions, than they are to herp keeping itself. Yes, I understand that transactions involving live animals contain elements that make it quite different from, say, doing a return at Target. However, I have noticed that posts which appear to reflect more of a business perspective than a herp keeping perspective, tend to be more logical and on point than those which demonstrate a lack of business knowledge, regardless of that persons experience with herp keeping or selling.
Unlike most traditional businesses, herp selling doesn't require a background in management, sales, customer service, or even knowing how to communicate with others in a civil manner. Many of the subjects of BOI demonstrate that quite well.
Point being, while the input of someone involved in large numbers of herp transactions certainly has value, so does the input of someone with a good sense of business transactions in general, regardless of whether that person buys or sells large numbers of animals.
 
Lucille said:
I found one 'free pizza' thread, here it is


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=584499&highlight=free+pizza


My PM to the OP:

Originally Posted by Lucille
A lot depends on why he did not call. There may have been personal or business matters that took his attention, but even still, he should have made some kind of notation in the system or on the cage that this was a sold critter. Or he may have actually been trying unsuccessfully to do something to reverse the sale his employee made.
I think you should forward this PM and my answer to him and ask for a more detailed explanation of what happened and be honest about your disappointment.
If he was actually working in your behalf behind the scenes to try to see if he could get the sold snake back, because it was sold at the same time you bought it, and couldn't, then it's just one of those things, his employee didn't know. But if he forgot to label the snake and it got sold after you paid for it, you have every right to be upset and 10% doesn't get it, you should probably get a free snake and an assurance that the system will be changed so that once paid for, a customer's undelivered snake cannot subsequently be sold to someone else.
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Ah, there it is! Yea, I'm going to question your motives and your marbles if you truly think somebody deserves a free snake because of an inventory error.
 
Mike Schultz said:
Not sure what you perceived as an uproar or why my bowels are of your concern. If a calm reply challenging your claim is upsetting to you, talk to your therapist, or something :shrug01:

It's on one thread about me somewhere, some body ordered a corn snake, I made a mistake and didn't update the site availability so I apologized and refunded her as soon as I realized the mistake after the weekend. According to her she was persuaded by Lucille to post here and seek compensation for lost wages or something. Anyways I suppose that's hearsay since she said it and not Lucille.
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Thanks for your reply concerning Lucille.

As far as me talking to a therapist, if you'd be so kind, could you give me the info to the therapist you use? It would be greatly appreciated.:yesnod:


Thanks, Mike!

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles
 
Big Time Reptiles said:
As far as me talking to a therapist, if you'd be so kind, could you give me the info to the therapist you use? It would be greatly appreciated.:yesnod:
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Ah yes, rather than discuss the topic of the post (Lucille and her credibility) we're going with the "I know you are but what am I" approach. As productive as that sounds, I'll have to pass on that rabbit hole. Have a nice day.
 
I find Lucille to be a total “class act”.
Plain and simply that.
No fluff.
No bluff, and one with compasion.
I am kinda wondering who this troll is.
Kinda thinking there is a bit more to this.
That said (Lucille please forgive me) I had to bite my tongue to not reply that she sucks.
Rotten humor has taken at least 6 of my lives.
Might have a couple or so more.
Plain and simple she rocks.
All the best.
Andy.
 
Sure this is just me sticking up for a fellow "BOI warrior" or whatever; but if we're evaluating motives and credibility based on BOI posting habits: Here you go. That's one of a few notable BOI contributions that quickly told me everything I needed to know about the guy.

Lucille plays her games on here, I think. Hell, I think the same can be said for all of us who've really dug into this particular forum. She and I've had our frictions. Overall, I still think she's been a net positive who's consistently gone out of her way to help people - regardless of what may be in it for her. Always just kinda rubbed me the wrong way when I saw someone who apparently uses the site solely for their own profit questioning someone else's motives for posting. With that: BOI OUT!
 
Herpin Man said:
The way I see it, the BOI, and the situations addressed herein, are more relevant to business transactions, than they are to herp keeping itself. Yes, I understand that transactions involving live animals contain elements that make it quite different from, say, doing a return at Target. However, I have noticed that posts which appear to reflect more of a business perspective than a herp keeping perspective, tend to be more logical and on point than those which demonstrate a lack of business knowledge, regardless of that persons experience with herp keeping or selling.
Unlike most traditional businesses, herp selling doesn't require a background in management, sales, customer service, or even knowing how to communicate with others in a civil manner. Many of the subjects of BOI demonstrate that quite well.
Point being, while the input of someone involved in large numbers of herp transactions certainly has value, so does the input of someone with a good sense of business transactions in general, regardless of whether that person buys or sells large numbers of animals.
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Very well said, Greg! I couldn't agree more.
 
Dro B said:
Mike Schultz, did you start this thread?
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No, but while I may be one of few willing to publicly question the circlejerk, my private messages and post karma received would indicate I am clearly not alone in my opinions. doesnt matter, BOI will cease to exist soon anyways
 
Mike Schultz said:
No, but while I may be one of few willing to publicly question the circlejerk, my private messages and post karma received would indicate I am clearly not alone in my opinions. doesnt matter, BOI will cease to exist soon anyways
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Long time lurker here (>10 years off and on) and I agree. If you are not part of the "clique" it doesn't matter and the same standards don't apply to you.
 
I think taking one particular person's opinion to heart so much that you ignore the numerous people supporting you is a foolish route to take, but I suppose that is human nature... we get stuck on the negatives rather than the positives. That being said, I haven't always agreed with Lucille, I certainly haven't always disagreed with her either. In the few occasions that I disagreed, it was enlightening to see where she is coming from because, agree with her or not, she bases her opinions on logic and fact. Doesn't mean you always have to agree and doesn't mean she is always right, but at least she gives more thought and explanation to her opinion than a lot of people who just spit out an opinion and get nasty when it is questioned. This would have been a pretty useless forums if it was just an echo chamber of the same opinion over and over again.
 
IslandLizards said:
Long time lurker here (>10 years off and on) and I agree. If you are not part of the "clique" it doesn't matter and the same standards don't apply to you.
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Kind of surprised to see this from you. Several of us came to your defense regarding the chameleon. Unless there is an incident I'm not aware of, you were treated respectfully, and were able to explain your side of the story, same as everyone else.
 
Insomniac101 said:
Kind of surprised to see this from you. Several of us came to your defense regarding the chameleon. Unless there is an incident I'm not aware of, you were treated respectfully, and were able to explain your side of the story, same as everyone else.
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And early on I advised Will to open a case with his credit card company, and listed the positives and negatives I saw for each party.
 
CLIQUE

noun: a small group of people, with shared interests or other features in common, who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them.
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I guess I wouldn't have a problem being included in that definition. I can't even see why it would be considered as being a negative label. It would be a negative that I require TRUST, which needs to be earned, before I take someone into my confidence? Not in my world.

Heck, I have been hearing the accusations of there being a "clique" here ever since Day 1 of the BOI. The interesting thing is that the people accused of being in that "clique" has changed many times over the years.

Is there an ever changing core group of people who make an attempt at digging down to the truth, sometimes left wanting, from statements made in the BOI? Certainly! They do this on their own time, because of their own personal interest, with apparently the best interests of the perceived injured party at heart. Even if at the beginning it is not clear who exactly is the injured party. But they WANT to find out.

So how is that a bad thing? Unless you are the "injurer" instead of the "injured" of course, trying to obscure that fact. Then it appears that one of the defenses of the "injurer", while slowly but surely being uncovered, is to claim that they are being attacked by some "clique". In their eyes apparently that sort of accusation negates the pointed questions trying to get to the bottom of claims being made. Sorry, but I personally do not see anything negative about interested parties trying to get to the truth. If someone's feeling may get hurt in the process, then so be it. Liars typically don't like to be exposed.

So does that make Lucille part of this alleged "clique"? Sure does. But there are a lot of people here who undoubtedly believe that is a GOOD thing, because it has been a help to them resolving their issue. Which is normally why they came here in the first place.
 
I get the distinct feeling a certain someone has held onto their emotional baggage a wee bit too long. Now that the BOI will become off limits to them, a fire sale baggage dump on anyone and everyone is in progress.:rolleyes:

What beam in the eye will we see next?
 
Insomniac101 said:
Kind of surprised to see this from you. Several of us came to your defense regarding the chameleon. Unless there is an incident I'm not aware of, you were treated respectfully, and were able to explain your side of the story, same as everyone else.
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I appreciate that but I am not sure how that has anything to do with this subject...

Lucille said:
And early on I advised Will to open a case with his credit card company, and listed the positives and negatives I saw for each party.
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1. Yes you did and my comment has nothing to do with my thread. I do appreciate the outside view towards both sides.

2. I apologise but it was not directed to you specifically even though it's in a Lucille thread. I should have made that a little clearer. I tend to try and keep things short when posting from a mobile device and that tends to end up how I'm thinking it and typing it out may not be how it gets interpreted. Lol
It was more of an agreement of comparing someone with 15k actual business sales to someone with 15k posts in a forum. The forum veteran is looked at as being the person with the knowledge and experience.
 
Robert Walker said:
15,000 transactions = Trader Rating (2)
vs.
"sold some heat tape" = Trader Rating (6)

30,000 more transactions to go and someone might catch Lucille in customer satisfaction.
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Says more about the usefulness of that rating system than it does about your point 😂 i rarely post and almost never sell on fauna, of course my trader rating here reflects that. By your logic, im winning because I managed to get half the trader rating she did with only what, 7 or 8% of the posts? 😂

I have no problem shelling out and listing on sites that offer value to me. I pay a lot ($300+ per classified) to list on sites like kingsnake and morphmarket, because they generate income for me. I used to list ads here and got zero return on my investment of $20 a year so I dont bother here any more. If the site was worth using then there would be active users. The fact that it cant afford to stay afloat even with ads peppering every page says plenty about that.
 
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