Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[crotalusadamanteus]

 

[Southern Wolf]

Tactics currently in use:
Implying that because I didn't read everything, I didn't read anything. Obviously that doesn't follow. I've read most of this thread, just missing a chunk out of the middle. I've read everything relevent to the original topic.

How do you know.... there were revelent post made in the middle to Mr. Youngs past dealings as well... it goes to show a pattern and thus relates to the original topic.

 

[shrap]

Do you disagree with the statement that 90% of this thread is repetition or bickering? Yes or no will do. Don't attack me for pointing it out, if you can't refute that.

Please allow me to quote myself, surprisingly from just a couple days ago in this very thread, to answer your question.

Does this place get out of hand sometimes? Sure it does. Do people get emotional sometimes? Sure they do? Do people spout off crap that is completely unneeded sometimes? Absolutely. Are there people here that just want to stir the pot? By the boat load. Are there also people here that are genuinely good people with genuinely good intentions? Lots. Is the BOI perfect? Is anything.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I dug those out, but I certainly didn't read all the filler in between. Do you disagree with the statement that 90% of this thread is repetition or bickering? Yes or no will do.

Yep.... and most of the bickering is with you cause you post statements that contradict the evidence given... which you would have at least had a chance to see... if you would have taken the time to read the whole thread.

It would be like me doing a search of a PDF (maybe the natural history of the Artic wolf) for the word Wolf... and only reading the sentence that the word appeared in. I miss out on alot of substance relative to the topic at hand.

*the natural history of the Aritc Wolf is a figment of my imagination and used to prove a point.

 

[lanceheads]

Good point Sammy!

 

[WingedWolf]

How do you know.... there were revelent post made in the middle to Mr. Youngs past dealings as well... it goes to show a pattern and thus relates to the original topic.

Mostly because my opinion is "I DON'T KNOW"--as I've said repeatedly.
That doesn't have anything to do with patterns of established behavior on anyone's part. In fact, I could have had that opinion before looking at ANYTHING.

How dare I say "I don't know!" Gosh, I don't know.
I don't think that other situations, or even 'established patterns of behavior', are actually relevent to what happened in THIS SITUATION. Others may disagree--they may consider other situations to be evidence. I personally want just the facts about THIS situation, before forming an opinion about THIS situation. They're lacking here IN MY OPINION, so I don't have an opinion on who's right. How does that make me uninformed? Would reading information I don't consider to be relevent make my opinion more informed? Because I'm not seeing how. If I were going to decide whether David is overall a bad businessperson, then I would want to look over everything. But until I have time or inclination to do so, I'm not forming an opinion about that. And I've looked over what was available about THIS situation--and I don't know.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deborah, while 'they started it' is not generally a great defense, it seems awfully appropriate for this venue. Why did you not speak out against LY's random attack in the same manner you spoke out against my reply to it? If the moderators want to come in and tell me to take it elsewhere, I will certainly comply, but I will expect them to treat the trolls who dragged this out to begin with in EXACTLY the same fashion. I have no problem with being smacked, as long as it's fair.

Oh my! I have no problem with your posting your opinion. But you are making this about your reputation. So far as I know, you haven't done anything to deserve a "Bad Guy" post, yet.

Most of the people making posts that have not read the thread, I have generally ignored because it's relatively easy (from reading their posts) to determine that either they haven't read the whole thing and the "pattern" of things happening in David's case, or (as much as it pains me to say this) they have flawed ethics...and think that what David did was ok. This really is an easy case of right and wrong..just some "maybes" on each side..but on the whole it's easy to determine who did what wrong.

I have generally ignored the people that are off topic (not posting in response..but still reading) and continued reading because I do want to be informed. You seem more persistant than most and you also have not read the whole thing. I don't usually tell any one to go to Hell and duke it out because others do...so I don't need to repeat and add to the confusion here.

I really am trying not to add to the unnecessary posts. I don't agree with the way some things are said..but that doesn't mean I have to respond to everything does it? (it would take the topic more off)

However, you do not know if I have been hitting people with bad karma when they say something off topic or not..so I am going to leave that alone. I almost hit you with bad karma..but decided to respond instead because you seem like a nice person.

 

[WingedWolf]

Oh my! I have no problem with your posting your opinion. But you are making this about your reputation. So far as I know, you haven't done anything to deserve a "Bad Guy" post, yet.

And never WILL. But I will not be baited out and just let it slide, I don't see any reason to allow that. That WAS an attack on my reputation as a person, not as a businessperson. I did not 'make this' about my reputation, LY was responsible for that. There's far too much of 'letting things slide', and letting people get away with bs because it doesn't seem worth it to care. That's why these people keep doing the things they do. I was done replying here, I'd stated my opinion as best I could, and left it at that. LY decided to smear me.

 

[mvite]

DAVID YOUNG IS A BAD GUY.

 

[Seamus Haley]

And never WILL. But I will not be baited out and just let it slide, I don't see any reason to allow that. That WAS an attack on my reputation as a person, not as a businessperson. I did not 'make this' about my reputation, LY was responsible for that. There's far too much of 'letting things slide', and letting people get away with bs because it doesn't seem worth it to care. That's why these people keep doing the things they do. I was done replying here, I'd stated my opinion as best I could, and left it at that. LY decided to smear me.

Few things as simple and straightforward as I can say them...

You formed an opinion while admitting to ignorance of some of the content you were replying to. You are not psychic and have made it abundantly clear that you missed portions of this thread, including segments that do directly deal with Kelly Kordek's situation- you cannot label them as irrelevent or off topic because, again, you have no idea what the contents of those posts were.

That might have slid on by with minimal discussion and criticism, the reason it did not and has not ended is simply because YOU have continued to put forth arguments and defend a position; rejecting the statements of others and refusing to look at the evidence they have directed you towards. If you actually had made a few initial statements and then shut the hell up about it, without trying to justify your ignorance, it would not have been noteworthy and people would not be pointing you out as an example of naive and incomplete information.

Deborah is being a lot nicer to you than many others would have taken the time to be and has shown you some respect that some others certainly wouldn't feel you deserve. She's been trying to direct you to the hell forum because you have been a subject of conversation there- and given the nature of the opinions that have been expressed about you, if you want to defend yourself, that might be the place to do it.

 

[WingedWolf]

You formed an opinion while admitting to ignorance of some of the content you were replying to. You are not psychic

Best not to go there.

and have made it abundantly clear that you missed portions of this thread, including segments that do directly deal with Kelly Kordek's situation- you cannot label them as irrelevent or off topic because, again, you have no idea what the contents of those posts were.

Your evidence that I missed segments that directly deal with Kelly Kordek's situation...? Which posts did I miss, Seamus? And how do you know that I missed them, again?

That might have slid on by with minimal discussion and criticism, the reason it did not and has not ended is simply because YOU have continued to put forth arguments and defend a position; rejecting the statements of others and refusing to look at the evidence they have directed you towards.

Well, no--I defend my position of 'there isn't enough factual information about this situation for me to form an opinion'. I don't think that's a very hard position to defend, but apparently I was wrong. People have directed me towards evidence related to this situation? Not that I've seen.

If you actually had made a few initial statements and then shut the hell up about it, without trying to justify your ignorance, it would not have been noteworthy and people would not be pointing you out as an example of naive and incomplete information.

If people had accepted my opinion that there's not enough factual evidence in this case, as BEING my opinion, and not decided to call me names because I didn't agree with them, and tell me I'm naive and stupid for not reading 200 pages of drivel to find the few cases of other people having problems (it was never about my not having read Kelly and David's posts--the only thing I consider relevent to THIS case), then I would have shut the hell up about it.

Deborah is being a lot nicer to you than many others would have taken the time to be and has shown you some respect that some others certainly wouldn't feel you deserve. She's been trying to direct you to the hell forum because you have been a subject of conversation there- and given the nature of the opinions that have been expressed about you, if you want to defend yourself, that might be the place to do it.

I'm not a member of the Hell forum, and I'm not sure I want to spend that much time in a bicker-fest. I would merely like the folks here in THIS thread to stop yanking my chain after I've already said my piece and left.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I don't think that other situations, or even 'established patterns of behavior', are actually relevent to what happened in THIS SITUATION.

Are you mental. If the pattern had been shown before... there is a good chance that Kelly wouldnt have done business with him in the first place.

FACT - Mr. Young agreed to pay to sponsor the show (which included advertising)

FACT - Mr. Young sent an email stating the check was in the mail

FACT - The check never arrived

FACT - Mr. Young denies owing Repticon any money (then a week later pays what he owes)

FACT - Those 2 scenerio's alone show a pattern.

FACT - Mr. Young cons a breeder into holding a snake for a couple of weeks.. then breaks off all contact... meanwhile the breeder could have sold the snake and had turned down a sale because he promised the snake to Mr. Young.

FACT - This all shows Mr. Youngs ethics (or lack thereof)

FACT - there is prob something that I am forgetting.

Would reading information I don't consider to be relevent make my opinion more informed? Because I'm not seeing how.

How do you even know if the information is irrevelant UNTIL you read it.

If I were going to decide whether David is overall a bad businessperson, then I would want to look over everything. But until I have time or inclination to do so, I'm not forming an opinion about that. And I've looked over what was available about THIS situation--and I don't know.

Why would you even post this..... How can you not want to know about Mr. Youngs overall ethics... in order to make an informed dicision.

It would be like me over 4 people on here but doing right by you. How does that not make me a bad person.... just becase I didnt you over. Everything is revelant.... it goes to show a pattern.... which goes to show how he conducts his business transactions..... and probably other transactions as well.

If you want to support someone that has shafted 2 promoters (and finally paid 1 of them 3mos later). Shafted a breeder out of a sale because he was working a show. Shafted a customer becasue he did not take care of a shipping issue and luckly the customer had his own account number and rep and was able to take care of it himself WITHOUT any help from Mr. Young or RIPster. Then that is your right.

But if you keep posting all you are going is

 

[Seamus Haley]

Hell with it, I give up on trying to explain anything to her. She's got a hair up her ass because a few people stated that they would not knowingly do business with Reptster and expanded that to include choosing not to do business with people who do business with Reptster. She's too lazy, impatient or incompetent to get certified to ship for herself, so she's throwing on a set of blinders to the dirty, scummy stuff David Young has done. If she doesn't see it, she doesn't have to agree that it was ethically reprehensible and she can continue using the shipping service she finds so very convenient. She obviously won't change her mind until she herself gets screwed over as so many others have.

And as to not wanting to use the hell forum- it's voluntary for a reason as I understand it. Don't want to then don't... but understand that some people have seen it's contents and know a little more about you than you might realize... when questioning your credibility, judgement and intellect, there are posts tied to that in the hell forum.

 

[jayefbe]

Donna, if your reputation (what reputation?) is being damaged by this thread, it is all purely your doing. You have repeatedly defended David while implying that Kelley is a liar while also proclaiming your continued ignorance of the facts. You have stated your opinion time and time again without an iota of evidence backing it up. You have been presented with mountains of evidence stating the FACTS of the situation, and chose to ignore them. You've continued to spout your uneducated stance and you've continued to be reamed for it. It's not because you disagree with everyone else, it's because your stance is no stance at all.

You, not anyone else, have been trolling this thread. You, not anyone else, have damaged your reputation.

 

[jayefbe]

Hell with it, I give up on trying to explain anything to her. She's got a hair up her ass because a few people stated that they would not knowingly do business with Reptster and expanded that to include choosing not to do business with people who do business with Reptster. She's too lazy, impatient or incompetent to get certified to ship for herself, so she's throwing on a set of blinders to the dirty, scummy stuff David Young has done. If she doesn't see it, she doesn't have to agree that it was ethically reprehensible and she can continue using the shipping service she finds so very convenient. She obviously won't change her mind until she herself gets screwed over as so many others have.

And as to not wanting to use the hell forum- it's voluntary for a reason as I understand it. Don't want to then don't... but understand that some people have seen it's contents and know a little more about you than you might realize... when questioning your credibility, judgement and intellect, there are posts tied to that in the hell forum.

Seamus, when she first started posting on this thread she stated that she was going to begin the certification process due to David's ongoing issues. I doubt she actually started the process since she would be done or very nearly done at this point. It's just sheer laziness.

 

[WingedWolf]

Oh, look. It's the Bobbsey Twins.

I never defended either Kelly or David. Liar.
Enough said. One lie, a dozen lies. Your posts aren't worth anything.

Yes, I've started the Fed Ex certification process. But that isn't really relevent either, is it? Liar.

 

[cahrens]

Hey Kelly,
Did David ever send you anything where he actually typed in a dollar amount? If so, could you take a screenshot of it and put it up here? That would certainly alleviate any doubt. I'm afraid that without something from him with a dollar amount written in it then there are no facts. Everyone wants to call things facts but there haven't been any facts shown. We can all believe whatever we want but there has to be some evidence before it becomes fact. Good luck with your show! Wish I was closer, I'd come check it out.

 

[lanceheads]

And never WILL.

hahahahaha!
Never say NEVER Donna

Be in this business long enough and your bound to have a customer disagree with you.Or, your bound to make a mistake, and someone will call you on it.

Hell, your already being flamed here with your comments.


Randal Berry

 

[SPJ]

Hey Kelly,
Did David ever send you anything where he actually typed in a dollar amount? If so, could you take a screenshot of it and put it up here? That would certainly alleviate any doubt. I'm afraid that without something from him with a dollar amount written in it then there are no facts. Everyone wants to call things facts but there haven't been any facts shown. We can all believe whatever we want but there has to be some evidence before it becomes fact. Good luck with your show! Wish I was closer, I'd come check it out.

He may not have typed in an amount but he replied to the email stating the amount saying he would send payment.

 

[dragonsr#1]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Central PA Reptile Expo" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:18:18 -0400
To: David Young<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please call me
David,

It has now been 6 days since my last email, and I left a message again yesterday on the customer service line (which is now full and can no longer take messages). I understand that this past weekend was a holiday weekend, but there have been several other days that you could have contacted me. I also know that you just recently spoke with a friend of mine regarding shipping since sending the last email, and therefore you seem to be able to return calls to customers, but not to me for some reason.
I really need to know what is going on at this point with the sponsorship. I have put it out all over the place that you will be sponsoring the show, and have been advertising the site and the shipping stuff to some pretty major people in the business that I have personal contacts with, but yet nothing is happening on your end to help support the show. I sent banner ads as you requested back on 8/22/08, but nothing has been put up on the website. And not to mention that you have made no contact at all since our last conversation to let me know what is going on with the payment situation that you promised to set up. We had a verbal agreement on $750 for the show sponsorship, and at this point, I have received no payment or communication to let me know what is happening. I know that sometimes it is easy to forget to put a check in the mail, but we have been having these discussions for awhile now, and I would hope that it would be some sort of priority to you as you said it was in the beginning. I feel I have done quite a bit to help out your site with advertising, as I should being the show promoter, but I am not having good feelings about the lack of concern you seem to have for the success of this show as of late, nor the responsibilities of someone who has promised to sponsor a show.
I am sorry if I sound frustrated, but this has really been going on for awhile now, and the show is only about a month away. That and the fact that I cannot call either the customer service number or the number you provided me awhile ago as your personal number and leave a message is very frustrating, as my emails do not seem to be helping the situation either.
I hope to hear from you soon, and I really hope we can get this situation settled. I do hope that everything is well with you and your family, and hope you had a good holiday weekend.

Kelly Kordek
Kordek's Kritters
Central PA Reptile Expo

----- Original Message -----
From: David Young
To: Central PA Reptile Expo
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Please call me

I apolgize.we have been slammed since daytona. Email me your address and I will get a check out.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

I know I am not Kelly but as some know she is my wife so I felt it would be ok to reply to this.
Here it is, E-mail sent to him with the price in it and replied by Mr. Young on his BlackBerry that he will get the check out. I fell that the biggest thing about all of this is that Mr. Young said he was going to get a check out to us, he DID NOT. Why?????????

Hope this helps.

Matthew D. Kordek