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Bad Guy memnoch1970

And, we have seen "good people" go bad before too...:shrug01:

And Your point? are you just attempting to stir the pot, or are you interested in seeing that the right person is named bad guy? Is it wrong to question a post on the BOI? Since ive already posted that i feel they have enough proof posted now, what exactly are you trying to do here? Point out the obvious?
 
And Your point? are you just attempting to stir the pot, or are you interested in seeing that the right person is named bad guy? Is it wrong to question a post on the BOI? Since ive already posted that i feel they have enough proof posted now, what exactly are you trying to do here? Point out the obvious?

My "point" should be easy to get by reading my post, if not, then try reading it a few more times.

And why exactly is it that you can post "Weve seen similar claims against good people before" and you feel it's perfectly OK; but I post the other side of the coin and I am "stirring the pot" and "pointing out the obvious"?

And for the record what is your relationship to Chris? PM buddy, on-line pal? Exchanged some e-mails before? You are ready to give him the benefit of the doubt but call 2 different people to task because why, Chris has been around here for awhile?

I have no problem with asking them for proof, which they provided early and you failed to read, but you should hold all parties to the same standard of proof.

It's not like Chris has earned a lot of respect here based on his previous posts, you can find them earlier in the thread as well in case you "missed them" too, and his "death in the family" excuse has a few holes in it too, IMO.

Any other questions?:shrug01:
 
I think that just the fact that people get burned in this hobby can make for a heightened suspicion when things go wrong. I remember I posted on the BOI this summer about a vendor who held my money and didn't send my stuff because he said his daughter died.
I'm no longer pursuing the matter, but I still do not have either a refund or my stuff.
Cathy earlier made a good point, that family comes first. And it does. But sometimes it is difficult to sort out how long to wait, or how to feel if you are the buyer. In this case if funds taken for lizards were spent on personal matters by the seller, the buyer has a right to feel upset that his funds were converted that way.
I hope it all gets sorted out after the seller returns.
 
I can state that Gillian25 emailed me a picture of the cashed check as well. It's signed on the back, supposedly by both Chris and his girlfriend(pay to the order of *girlfriend's name*).
So now we still don't know whether he oversold, or his girlfriend accepted extra orders... either way.. he should pay back the owed money, or he's basically a scammer. As long as he pays the money back, then he just made mistakes.
I hope he gets the funds back to both parties involved.
 
My "point" should be easy to get by reading my post, if not, then try reading it a few more times.

And why exactly is it that you can post "Weve seen similar claims against good people before" and you feel it's perfectly OK; but I post the other side of the coin and I am "stirring the pot" and "pointing out the obvious"?

And for the record what is your relationship to Chris? PM buddy, on-line pal? Exchanged some e-mails before? You are ready to give him the benefit of the doubt but call 2 different people to task because why, Chris has been around here for awhile?

I have no problem with asking them for proof, which they provided early and you failed to read, but you should hold all parties to the same standard of proof.

It's not like Chris has earned a lot of respect here based on his previous posts, you can find them earlier in the thread as well in case you "missed them" too, and his "death in the family" excuse has a few holes in it too, IMO.

Any other questions?:shrug01:

I asked my question because it looked like you were trying to stir the pot by making a comment to something i said that was based on further reasoning i did not express. *actually, youve made several comments to posts ive made, which further prompted me to ask that question* because seemingly over here on my side of the fence, my opinion does not match your own, and id like to see what the accused has to say about this, or, if anything at all.
Since this is new to the BOI, i feel that some time should be given before i make a permenant stance. These things can turn around right quick, so why not make a decision as best i can on the FACTS that i can gather from all the parties, IF something really did happen to one of this guys family members?

I did not post all possible outcomes on the BOI ( meaning, i did not say, that this guy could have been good "turned bad" * sure, i think that outcome would be entirely possible, i just did not express it here, at that moment in time...*), but just merely pointed out one reason i questioned and looked for proof, because it was similar to a recent thread about another dragon breeder, and i felt just cause to ask. Pardon my reasoning for asking my question because of, and then mentioning specifically that reason, apparantly it did not seem to have any relevance to you, in relation to this thread. Are there guidelines to how one should post questions on the BOI?

Memnoch is not here to post his side * as far as we can tell*, so i could not at the time, make any sort of hard line decision based on the guy, soley for past postings he might have made on the site, just based off of two other members i have no clue about either without any proof. ( there are lots of members that make posts that i might not agree with, or like seeing, but that does not necessarily mean everything as to the type of business person they are.) and there are no Good or Bad Guy threads about him. Does that mean i was not giving these guys the benefit of the doubt too!? just because i dont say something, does NOT mean i do not think it.

No questions. But one comment. Because frankly, at this point my post would lead this thread too far off topic, and honestly, it already is straying.

You assume much, about my opinion, or which side im looking at ( my stance, on any of the parties), and myself. Yet, you have no clue about how i proceed in my thought process on these kinds of posts, or how i feel currently, apparantly from your post here. So i suggest you not assume.

Especially not with my own posts. You may ask, and i will gladly tell you why i feel the way i do or how. But, see, now you have gone and went too far. Youre really reaching now by asking me if this guy is a PM buddy, or that i have any sort of connection to this person. By that, you are questioning my integrity on this site, by asking me if i am in cahoots with someone who might be scamming two people. and by that. You are dead wrong, to even think of going there when i have done nothing but be honest in my feelings, or actions within this site. and by asking LEGITIMATE questions of the people accusing this guy. Am i letting that guy off scott free because hes not here? NOPE. I do not get why you feel the need to attempt and make me look bad by making the comments you have.
Towards you....I was asking you a simple question as to why you were nitpicking my posts. You seem to have a problem with my stance, and my posts. and if thats the case, please, do ask. I did not reach so far as to discredit you, or insult your integrity on this site by questioning your reason for nitpicking at my posts. Again. You went much too far.

and, because you have asked, and i am completely honest, I know, none of the people associated with this transaction personally. Nor do i feel, that i have spoken with them personally, on any sort of personal level. ( A pm sent on this site? maybe, but not that i can personally remember) I am not friends with any of them. So Kick that thought right out the door now.

I will hold all of these people to the same standards, but i was leaniant in the fact that, yeah, its fairly possible that this guy really could have had a member of his family pass on, and i feel SOME time should be allowed before ASSUMPTIONS are made. sort of like cat said earlier, sometimes things like these make people act differently as they normally would.
 
But, see, now you have gone and went too far. Youre really reaching now by asking me if this guy is a PM buddy, or that i have any sort of connection to this person. By that, you are questioning my integrity on this site, by asking me if i am in cahoots with someone who might be scamming two people.

Do you actually read a post before you respond? How you got to the absurd notion that I was suggesting you were "in cahoots with someone who might be scamming two people" is beyond me. My question immediately after the question about your relationship to Chris should have adequately explained the first question.

Sorry if you think that I am "nitpicking your posts" or singling you out for some reason; that isn't the case at all. To be honest I don't recall commenting on other posts by you. That's not to say I haven't, I probably have and probably had a good reason to comment, but it would have had nothing to do with the fact that it was you personally posting.
 
Do you actually read a post before you respond? How you got to the absurd notion that I was suggesting you were "in cahoots with someone who might be scamming two people" is beyond me. My question immediately after the question about your relationship to Chris should have adequately explained the first question.

Sorry if you think that I am "nitpicking your posts" or singling you out for some reason; that isn't the case at all. To be honest I don't recall commenting on other posts by you. That's not to say I haven't, I probably have and probably had a good reason to comment, but it would have had nothing to do with the fact that it was you personally posting.

You asked
"
And for the record what is your relationship to Chris? PM buddy, on-line pal? Exchanged some e-mails before? You are ready to give him the benefit of the doubt but call 2 different people to task because why, Chris has been around here for awhile?
"

Then why would you ask such a question? did you have a preconcieved notion as to how i felt about the matter, based soley because of the information i had posted on this thread?

I got even an inkling to that "absurd notion" because of your responses towards me in this thread. You were questioning me as to why i was not automatically assuming this other guy to be BAD right off the bat.( just because some of the info is posted here, does not mean it is all of it) I did not want to automatically fall into the stance that "hes a bad guy, plain and simple". It seems like to me that you were ASSUMING that i was not questioning the guy who has not sent the animals, by how your questions were phrased, just because i was not posting those questions. ( otherwise, i see no reason as to why, again, a question such as that would be asked)

Anyway. i already explained myself, and my reasoning for questioning those two guys, and not the other. you cant ask questions to someone whos not there, you can only wait for an action, or, inaction.

I will not be taking this thread any further off course. These guys have not gotten what they have paid for, and another member has posted in Memnochs Ad that he did not get watersnakes. There is enough information here to make him out to be a bad guy if he does not pay these people back what they are owed.
 
i do agree with most of the posts one this has all gone to far . we just asked for help with picking your brains with what we can do to get our money back . just because we are semi new on this line don't mean we arent good buyers. we did not go and write realy nasty things about this couple. all we wanted some info . it went to the piont that we had to post our checks . our emails our conversations . if his girl freind has been on like chris said she should pipe in to say what happened . not just our personal converstions with chris . ya know we feel like bad guys .like we were the ones that took someone else or was in the wrong in wanting our money back , what should we have done sit back and say well 120 poof gone to a good cause whatever that is , i am sure i am talking about the other guy also . now it is up to chris and his girl to show the shipping recipts ( the invisable ones ) we are not trying to cut the guy . i didnt say once he was a piece of shit . all i said was i wanted my money . my check was written out on the 8th . of october this is the 25th and i just heard from him cause i called him and he didnt recognise my number from a cell ,all this has done is made me a more caushoius buyer . and with people like me its going to hurt the seller maybe like you cause i won't buy from fauna again. guys i am not looking for pitty i am a single mother of a nine year old . no family at all . EVERYONE IS DEAD my money is very important to me , thier was times when i didnt have enough money for us to servive and we ate from trash cans , ya know everyone has a boohoo storie so chriss isnt the only one . but i havent taken anyone,and i am not looking to take anything from anyone , and to over sell don't he know what he has ? if you go to walmart and buy one bag of candy your goin to watch your money to only pay for that bag once . he knows what he has, he advertized 11 beardeds he sold the guy 5 shipped them . me two then 5 more to the same guy . thats twelve (if only 5 went out) who bought the other 6 that he already shipped out ,i am not even going to try to asume what was goin through chrisis mind or his girl .
 
Toni,

Please don't feel picked upon by us asking for your written proof to post here.

We usually ask that of anybody who starts a thread and it was not done to single you out.

It is always good to have these things posted in the thread anyways. If for some reason something should be posted on these people at a later time this evidence is here and will never be deleted.

I think that's a good thing!

Hope you understand that nobody is picking on you both. You have a legitimate gripe. Now it's time to see if you both are compesated in a timely manner.
 
thank you so much for the kind comeback . i know i feel horrible in asking questions .
 
thank you so much for the kind comeback . i know i feel horrible in asking questions .

Don't feel horrible!! That was not my intention! Heck, you've been through enough! I surely didn't want to make you feel even worse!

Chris has had the ball in his court for quite a while now. We are looking to see how he handles this. He owes you and he should pay you.
 
It's not calling you a liar to ask for proof. On the BOI, it's standard to ask the OP to post their proof, so that there is no doubt as to the facts, that's all.
We want to be sure YOUR case is shown properly, so that anyone reading the thread understands what did or did not take place.
The ball is in his court, and I hope he does pay you back. I have to say, if the choice was to return funds to someone, or bury my family, I'm afriad I might choose like he did, and promise to get the money back ASAP. Again, I hope it was all a mistake, and not a deliberate theft.
Good luck, and best wishes.
 
I guess it just bugs me that, he's out of contact due to a family death. It has him so distraught, that he can't contact and explain things to his waiting customers, yet he has the presence of mind to come here and log into his account. :rolleyes:

He is so distraught that he spent money that simply didn't belong to him. (you can't tell me that he was unable to reason enough to know it wasn't his money either).

I have to stick with my earlier statement.....I've read nothing that warrants anything but suspicion at this point. He straight up SPENT their money. :shrug01:
 
Water snakes

I ordered my 5 water snakes for 40.00 via check from chris on 10/10/08.Here are t6he emails and still no snakes.802-442-1567
Thanks,
Eric

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, chris sulwer <[email protected]> wrote:

From: chris sulwer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:35 PM

got your check. will send out monday, so theres no weekend delays of any kind.
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Eric Fritz <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Eric Fritz <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:39 PM

Chris,
Your check has been sent.Thanks again,
Eric

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, chris sulwer <[email protected]> wrote:

From: chris sulwer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:36 PM

got it. cool man.

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Eric Fritz <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Eric Fritz <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:24 PM

Almost forgot:
My address is:
Eric A.Fritz
219 Beech Street
Bennington,Vermont 05201

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, chris sulwer <[email protected]> wrote:

From: chris sulwer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:56 PM

do you want the watersnakes????????

--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Eric Fritz <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Eric Fritz <[email protected]>
Subject: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:44 PM

Hi,
What types of payment do you take?
Thanks,
Eric




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Chris..........still no snakes.Whats up?
Thanks,
Eric

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, chris sulwer <[email protected]> wrote:

From: chris sulwer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Water Snakes
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:35 PM

got your check. will send out monday, so theres no weekend delays of any kind.
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Eric Fritz <[email protected]> wrote:
 
Hmmm....not good. About the same time frame as the others....*sigh*

Eric, are those all of the emails? It kind of looks like there are some holes in the communication. Still, it seems weird....$40 for 5 snakes? It would cost more than that to ship them!

Have you stopped payment on the check, or....? I think that would be my first step.
 
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