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No problem. I have seen it done a number of times. It is not like I posted something like, "I heard that Adam had told Joe..."

Other than a few people posting positive feedback, or personal reference's for Adam, this bogus inquiry has been all about the thread on the other site.
I think the emails from Adam with his side of the story were appropriate to post until he can come here himself and chime in. Sorry if some people do not agree with me.
I know the kid that St. Debbie gave the free snake to, did not post his feedback on this site, or in this thread, but the link to it was posted and it has been the main topic so far.
It would be nice if Adam and the kid could come here and post the true details, or at least their own versions of the transaction. It would also be cool if the outcome of that transaction were posted in here after the show next month. That way we know if Adam follows through with his offer and replaces the animal, Does not keep his word, or the kid does not go to the show and take Adam up on his offer.

At this time I would not hesitate to do business with Adam Kuhn. He seems to have positive feedback, and have good Customer Service.

Like i told hhmoore(sorry if its speeled wrong) in a pm reply just now.I asked kat72 to post a email from Allen Belcher to myself awhile back and not 1 person complained about it then.So i think its silly for some to be upset now.I did send Adam another email letting him know the thread on bpnet is open now.Now another thing that bothers me is this is NOT the first thread that has started on another forum then was brought here.So once again i dont understand the few upset here and now .

 

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Ok just to be fair and show that there is no conspiracy towards Deb here is what is posted in the Q room on bpnet.
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Umph, goshdarnit, snagged my nice hat on my be tender socks and now I can't be kind and gentle.

broadude, I don't care who you work for or what you do. You've always been a know it all better than anyone else, no matter how many times you've been shown what you lack.

I don't like you. You lie when convenient. You misrepresent yourself and your knowledge. You LIKE to be in this position. Fine. Like I said, I don't care.

OP, if you please, detail your set up only IF you would like to know if you made a mistake that can be fixed. Your details and broadudes knowitallness tell us little.

Stand up for yourself and if possible you won't have any more snakes die.

Those of you who don't like me, PLEASE use the ignore function.
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Umph, goshdarnit, snagged my nice hat on my be tender socks and now I can't be kind and gentle.

broadude, I don't care who you work for or what you do. You've always been a know it all better than anyone else, no matter how many times you've been shown what you lack.

I don't like you. You lie when convenient. You misrepresent yourself and your knowledge. You LIKE to be in this position. Fine. Like I said, I don't care.

OP, if you please, detail your set up only IF you would like to know if you made a mistake that can be fixed. Your details and broadudes knowitallness tell us little.

Stand up for yourself and if possible you won't have any more snakes die.

Those of you who don't like me, PLEASE use the ignore function.

Man you always going to have a hard-on for me ain't cha?

You knew I was a woman. You met me on Fauna and went to war cause you didn't like the fact that I wasn't going to listen to you, because everything you hate about women..I represent. Strong, resourceful and I RESPECT myself and I refused to lower myself as to roll around in the dirt for your entertainment . There are a lot of other strong self-respecting women you dislike too...so, I guess I can count myself lucky that I don't have to be anything other than what I am.

Know it all?? I ask Harald and a few other breeders everything that I want to know..I have tons of books and I am not afraid to learn and make mistakes (unlike you I don't try and attack people when they make mistakes).

What do YOU breed?

My know it all ness...sigh. Done..have fun.
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Well "john", I guess you got me pegged.

I hates me a strong woman, yes I does.

As far as personal information, I don't like you enough to discuss it with you.

You are NOT what you pretend to be.

Now to the OP, could you describe in detail, please, your set up?

Of course if you don't want any information but that a "strong" woman can give you, even if she doesn't know as much as she thinks she does, then go right ahead and stay away.

I'm not the only one trying to help you.
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Im glad to see we still have all the children in this thread to fling b.s. Grow up!
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.I still would have liked to see how the members of faunaclassifieds would have treated a thread like this.

Uh... Hi?

Im actually a REALLY REAL member of fauna classifieds!!!! You know, the kind that sort of devotes their time over there, sort of more than other forums, But still enjoys the company of others, on other forums.....
Anyway.... I am completely unhindered by this sites rules to respond, as i would have, even over on Fauna!

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Uh... Hi?

Im actually a REALLY REAL member of fauna classifieds!!!! You know, the kind that sort of devotes their time over there, sort of more than other forums, But still enjoys the company of others, on other forums.....
Anyway.... I am completely unhindered by this sites rules to respond, as i would have, even over on Fauna!

Imagine that!

LMAO! I should have wrote if it was placed on fauna .Sorry for the mix up
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LMAO! I should have wrote if it was placed on fauna .Sorry for the mix up

LOL im just... Kind of saying... You know? Im a Smartbutt. I pick at things....
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LOL im just... Kind of saying... You know? Im a Smartbutt. I pick at things....

Thats a fauna person for ya
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You forgot the forum member sold him a snake

You REALLY seem to need reading comphrehension courses..Where is it said that I SOLD him a snake?

He was willing to spend 50 more dollars to have a new snake shipped to him..maybe that's the sentence that has you confused?
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You REALLY seem to need reading comphrehension courses..Where is it said that I SOLD him a snake?

He was willing to spend 50 more dollars to have a new snake shipped to him..maybe that's the sentence that has you confused?

Well if this thread was not filled with double talk maybe no one would misunderstand what you are trying to type .
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Well if this thread was not filled with double talk maybe no one would misunderstand what you are trying to type .

The only double-talk is in your head. Far as I can see, everything is clear. If you have questions of ME ask them. Apparently, some of the more astute read the posts correctly and formed non-judgemental opinions. I can't FORCE the young man to post..and really why would he want to?

But I did not SELL the young man a snake. He was offering the SELLER to pay for shipping for another snake so that he didn't have to wait. He was willing to pay 50.00 to get his snake instead of waiting. I didn't see anything wrong with that...but it comes down to perspective.
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The only double-talk is in your head.

Gee now who is being rude .I wonder if this is the REAL reason why Wes dislikes you.Now just so you do not misunderstand what i am refering to i will explain.YOUR ATTITUDE when things do not go your way .
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Gee now who is being rude .I wonder if this is the REAL reason why Wes dislikes you.Now just so you do not misunderstand what i am refering to i will explain.YOUR ATTITUDE when things do not go your way .


Now..I understand. You weren't actually looking for any answers. Have fun running up your posts.
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Well now everyone can see everything

 

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Well now everyone can see everything

Thank you.

However, it STILL should not have been dragged here. It wasn't a "bashing" or anything. It is a difference of opinion on how something could have been handled and I talked about CUSTOMER SERVICE..YES. When someone comes to me and shows me pics of dead snakes..I do get upset. I get upset when MINE die, and I try to make sure my customer's don't die..and if it died and I didn't know why it died and they were close and I wondered if it were my fault..I would have MET the OP somewhere and viewed the snake myself!! THIS is MY OPINION. I would not have told him to wait 6 weeks and by then nothing can be determined..I can't be able to see if the snake had a broken back or died from burns..nothing would have been determined. IMO time was of essence.

I asked the OP questions..if I already knew..why would I be asking anything?

You have accused me of:

Patting myself on the back..I should..I have been very nice all things considered, and this is TWICE that my name has been dragged though the mud.

Planning to have the OP do this and come here later and post a bunch of lies to drag a breeder's name though the mud.

A conspiracy with the OP (yet when I referred to one. I must be the bad guy)

Stealing a customer (I didn't make a dime in the transaction. and if any customer is the singular property of whomever they buy from then NO one should ever buy another snake from anyone else.

Lying (you have not caught me in a lie..while it's true that I could have posted things differently..as I told Harald..I don't think it would have mattered WHAT I said when certain people read my posts the worse is nearly always assumed.

Telling the OP to specifically post a BAD GUY thread for some nefarious plan to drag a breeder's name though the mud.

Telling me I "overstepped" my bounds as if you can tell me what I can do and when I can do it.

Referred to me as an ATTENTION whore..and you are the one dragging this crap out....but YOU have made it your singular goal to "reveal" my wrongs and PROVE what I have done. ALL you have done is shown that I could have worded different posts different ways or waited for the OP to post. I haven't seen ONE shred of PROOF that you keep harping about that I did any of the above.

I am sure there is more..but THESE are what has me pissed and not really caring if you think I am immature and rude. You are lying, you are putting motivations where there are none and trying to pull it off as if you are this extremely intelligent person that has some kind of "insight" into my persona. You and your friend have been lying on me from the first time I was alerted that lies were being posted on me on BP.net (I was penalized and the posts removed when I used a wrong word). I was called a racist..and pics that showed a dead snake (that came off the internet) were implied that they were mine.

Yes SIR..I am tired of YOU and YOUR FRIEND that told you "I am not what I seem." Yeah..I am a 54 year old grandmother that likes helping people. Does my heart lead me into trouble sometimes..YEP. Does that mean that I am a liar, and don't know how to admit when I am wrong? NOPE.

Have I laid out things clearly from my reading your posts? Does it seem that I have a bad attitude and am not admitting where I was wrong?

 

[jayefbe]

Deb, all I know is that I had a difference of opinion from you and you turned on me. You were extremely rude, and immature. You made assumptions about me that simply are not true.

 

[Cat_72]

However, it STILL should not have been dragged here.

Deb, YOU were the one who dragged it here. You can't tell me that you didn't expect what was going on over there to follow here when YOU started this thread.

It wasn't a "bashing" or anything. It is a difference of opinion on how something could have been handled and I talked about CUSTOMER SERVICE..YES. When someone comes to me and shows me pics of dead snakes..I do get upset. I get upset when MINE die, and I try to make sure my customer's don't die..and if it died and I didn't know why it died and they were close and I wondered if it were my fault..I would have MET the OP somewhere and viewed the snake myself!! THIS is MY OPINION. I would not have told him to wait 6 weeks and by then nothing can be determined..I can't be able to see if the snake had a broken back or died from burns..nothing would have been determined. IMO time was of essence.

I'm just not understanding some of this logic.The "customer service" issue keeps getting brought up....isn't his offer of replacing the snake, no questions asked, especially if you are of the opinion that it was the buyer's fault that the animal died, darn good customer service?

And if the seller felt that he had no need to see the dead animal, there is no reason at all to be rushing the whole situation...in fact, one would think that most would have that much more respect for the welfare of the ANIMAL than the kid that's not going to suffer a traumatic lifetime of pain if he has to wait a couple of weeks to get his new, free snake. I mean honestly....especially with the extreme cold weather many places in the country have been dealing with, I have to say I cannot fault a seller who, if he does not feel completely safe in shipping an animal, choose not to do so.

And....even if the seller had wanted to see the animal....if you stick an animal in the deep-freeze for 6 weeks, do you really think it would affect the ability to see if it was burned badly enough to kill it, or its back was broken?

 

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Deb, YOU were the one who dragged it here. You can't tell me that you didn't expect what was going on over there to follow here when YOU started this thread.



I'm just not understanding some of this logic.The "customer service" issue keeps getting brought up....isn't his offer of replacing the snake, no questions asked, especially if you are of the opinion that it was the buyer's fault that the animal died, darn good customer service?

And if the seller felt that he had no need to see the dead animal, there is no reason at all to be rushing the whole situation...in fact, one would think that most would have that much more respect for the welfare of the ANIMAL than the kid that's not going to suffer a traumatic lifetime of pain if he has to wait a couple of weeks to get his new, free snake. I mean honestly....especially with the extreme cold weather many places in the country have been dealing with, I have to say I cannot fault a seller who, if he does not feel completely safe in shipping an animal, choose not to do so.

And....even if the seller had wanted to see the animal....if you stick an animal in the deep-freeze for 6 weeks, do you really think it would affect the ability to see if it was burned badly enough to kill it, or its back was broken?

I'll take it a step further.

Dealers choose the venue through which they deal. They can not and should not be held to a demand that they step outside of their chosen method and venue.

If they regularly deal with shipped animals and a replacement needed to be sent to a remote buyer, they should ship it (when it's safe to do so based on conditions).

If they deal out of a retail store front and do not ship animals, they shouldn't suffer demands regarding it. The customer found their way to the dealer's physical location once, they can do so again.

If they deal out of shows, they shouldn't suffer demands regarding shipping. A regular fixture in an established venue... the customer can march right on back and deal with the vendor when they're having their public sales time. A month and a half until the next show, at which time everything would have been resolved is perfectly reasonable.

Demanding that a dealer ship, when they don't ship and may not even have an established account to ship... that's unreasonable.

 

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The topic is NOT whether or not he has the right to ship or do business however he wants. HE can and I can disagree on customer service. He does not have to do it my way and I certainly am free to disagree.

The fact of the matter (IMO) is that the BOI is for INQUIRIES? and Posting of experiences either good or bad and those experiences are reviewed and judged by a jury of "peers."

The BOI is NOT for telling someone that they shouldn't have a different opinion. It is not for dragging opinions made on another forum here. An inquiry was made here and that was ALL. The information was found.

The link was posted in the area where the discussion was so that anyone was free to look at it and make their own assumptions, which they did. Some were judgmental of a newbie posting for the first time, and some recognized that we all make mistakes when we don't know how to do something. I still can't be held responsible for HOW he posted the experience.

If it is against the law/rules..whatever word applies.. to post any opinions in other forums and all opinons (especially bad ones) about unknown breeders (I don't know him) must be brought back here, then I suggest that someone go back over to that forum BP.net where another link from here is and the seller is being raked over the coals. LOL....of course, the seller in question is Ed Clark..so it's all good, right?

For better or worse someone else didn't make an inquiry here...they found a link here and went somewhere ELSE to get information and listen to opinions...

This tool is only as good as the people applying it. If it is not used impartially and fairly, it loses it's strength and the respect of the community. Asking an inquiry that had nothing about the matter to make the seller look bad is not good enough reason for anyone that thinks they have a "case" to bring opinions from another forum and try to create "infractions."

Then again...maybe I just don't understand how this forum works..but for sure with all the views it's getting, it's certainly NOT helping the forum at all for many of the readers to see that someone that asked a question is being lied on and raked over the coals for having an OPINION. an opinion that could have been voiced more tactfully, but an OPINION nonetheless.

 

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Deb - a few more issues...

1) The "bad buyer" thread does have to do with you. You encouraged the kid to post.
2) After the kid posted, you continued to relentlessly post your assumptions that the breeder had been dishonest in his dealings.
3) After nobody else held the same assumptions, you posted a thread over here on fauna "hoping" that some dirt would be brought up.
4) You had close personal communication with the kid, and did not openly share it with the forum. While you may just be keeping the kid's confidentiality, it appears as though you are simply being dishonest in your omissions.
5) After people disagreed with your opinions, your assumptions, AND the way you handled yourself on bp.net, you CONTINUED and CONTINUE to make assumptions about people here. In your head this is all just a conspiracy against you.

Your argument that what happened over on bp.net is separate from fauna is pathetic, and won't even be acknowledged. This hobby extends beyond fauna, and I feel that you have done something truly detrimental to it. You have continued to conduct yourself in the most unprofessional of manners. I simply posted my opinion, just like you Deb, and I did my best to abstain from insults unfair low blows. What did I receive? You posted that you wouldn't buy from Adam Kuhn or me, because we must be such good friends, and from what little you know of us, horrible people. I can't speak for Adam, because I've never even heard of him before this thread, but I can say that your assumptions about me were dead wrong.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deb - a few more issues...

1) The "bad buyer" thread does have to do with you. You encouraged the kid to post.
2) After the kid posted, you continued to relentlessly post your assumptions that the breeder had been dishonest in his dealings.
3) After nobody else held the same assumptions, you posted a thread over here on fauna "hoping" that some dirt would be brought up.
4) You had close personal communication with the kid, and did not openly share it with the forum. While you may just be keeping the kid's confidentiality, it appears as though you are simply being dishonest in your omissions.
5) After people disagreed with your opinions, your assumptions, AND the way you handled yourself on bp.net, you CONTINUED and CONTINUE to make assumptions about people here. In your head this is all just a conspiracy against you.

Your argument that what happened over on bp.net is separate from fauna is pathetic, and won't even be acknowledged. This hobby extends beyond fauna, and I feel that you have done something truly detrimental to it. You have continued to conduct yourself in the most unprofessional of manners. I simply posted my opinion, just like you Deb, and I did my best to abstain from insults unfair low blows. What did I receive? You posted that you wouldn't buy from Adam Kuhn or me, because we must be such good friends, and from what little you know of us, horrible people. I can't speak for Adam, because I've never even heard of him before this thread, but I can say that your assumptions about me were dead wrong.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124820

As an example only..here's an inquiry..does anyone want to follow the person from forum to forum and hope that they catch them having a difference of opinion on the breeder?

You can keep trying to make the sieve hold water..but it doesn't. I am not the one following anyone who made an inquiry (to help someone..you keep leaving that out)...to see what more they say, so I can get some drama started. The inquiry was made and the link was posted. My opinions are my own and your actions didn't do anything to encourage me that YOU were being impartial and fair. When I get angry, I tend to hit the enter key and let the chips fall where they may. I felt attacked for having an opinion and I responded..how you feel about that is immaterial to me.

No one else felt that it needed to be posted here..JUST YOU and your little friend Joe started the drama..it's so attractive and others of like mind will usually join in...I try and avoid that kind of stuff, but some people just got to.

Like I said...the BOI wasn't for this. But if you wanna keep saying it was and that it's my fault that it's here..continue to believe that.

 

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Deb - a few more issues...

1) The "bad buyer" thread does have to do with you. You encouraged the kid to post.

Already said you can't hold me responsible for HOW someone else posts when they tell me that they got sold a bad animal and I tell them to post their experience.

2) After the kid posted, you continued to relentlessly post your assumptions that the breeder had been dishonest in his dealings.

You may be right on this..it certainly looks like that to you. I seem to have a difference is supporting SOMEONE and Supporting his claim..I was asking him questions..remember?

3) After nobody else held the same assumptions, you posted a thread over here on fauna "hoping" that some dirt would be brought up.

You keep assuming...it wasn't because anyone didn't agree with me. I posted an INQUIRY which is the right step to see if indeed the person got scammed AND guess what, that link was posted over there..so what are you talking about? How can you figure that I was "hoping" some dirt would be brought up??

4) You had close personal communication with the kid, and did not openly share it with the forum. While you may just be keeping the kid's confidentiality, it appears as though you are simply being dishonest in your omissions.

You can believe this. I sent some pics to the MOD of the place. That's the best I can do. The kid said he would post his pics..should i be like you and your friend and post what is not mine and that i don't have permission to? However, I can share them with a few people..but not anyone that I beleive would use them to promote more drama, it's the OPS responsiblity to post his pics..NOT MINE. I think my refraining from putting someone's business out there to promote my own defense shows honor..YOU however can call it what you want.

5) After people disagreed with your opinions, your assumptions, AND the way you handled yourself on bp.net, you CONTINUED and CONTINUE to make assumptions about people here. In your head this is all just a conspiracy against you.

UMMMM..when you/friend make statements like, "I was warned about you...etc...yep..I think it was planned.

Your argument that what happened over on bp.net is separate from fauna is pathetic, and won't even be acknowledged. This hobby extends beyond fauna, and I feel that you have done something truly detrimental to it. You have continued to conduct yourself in the most unprofessional of manners. I simply posted my opinion, just like you Deb, and I did my best to abstain from insults unfair low blows. What did I receive? You posted that you wouldn't buy from Adam Kuhn or me, because we must be such good friends, and from what little you know of us, horrible people. I can't speak for Adam, because I've never even heard of him before this thread, but I can say that your assumptions about me were dead wrong.

I am unprofessional..did you even read the list of everything you/friend have claimed I have done so far?? Go back and reread. I have no problem with you posting your opinion..you have ACCUSED me of doing something. There may be a fine line somewhere that i am not seeing, but I don't see it.

Now remember..since you keep forgetting...I said (over there) "IS it even the same person? How do we know? I saw the pics..sorry. You going to have to wait and see if he posts..however, after all those accusations and attacks..I doubt he would come back and I for one AM NOT GOING TO ENCOURAGE HIM TO GO THOUGH WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH and neither am I discouraging him. I am completely neutral as to whether he posts his pics or not. That doesn't sound to me as if I had ONE GOAL to mess up someone's name.

That statement that you made about the community is far reaching..etc..PLEASE..I am not denying that. I am denying that my opinions should have been brought here on a simple inquiry and more made of it than intended.

I can't get any more simpler than that.

 

[SPJ]

This is getting old.

Deb, this is not your fight.

It is between Adam and his customer.

 

[deborahbroadus]

This is getting old.

Deb, this is not your fight.

It is between Adam and his customer.

THANK you!

 

[joepythons]

explain

Deb maybe a more simpler explanation could help you understand what everyone is trying to say to you.This was NOT your customer in the first place.So since you had nothing to do with this deal at any time it was not your privilege to start a thread asking about Adam.Now maybe AFTER the next show if Adam did not follow through with his promise to replace the snake(even though he felt the kid killed the snake) then i could see you helping the kid spread the word.I would not be shocked if the kid has been reading everything wrote here and bpnet and is laughing at you taking the heat for his screw up.I still would like to know how he found you? Have you given any snakes away before involving something like this? I am not trying to "hound" you just wondering why its so hard for you to see the truth here.It was you that started everything by either coaxing the kid(thread on bpnet) and you creating the thread here.

 

[cyberfrog]

Well I am friends with Adam K, and he is a good guy. Deb can feel free to not buy from me as well as her business I can certainly do without.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deb maybe a more simpler explanation could help you understand what everyone is trying to say to you.This was NOT your customer in the first place.So since you had nothing to do with this deal at any time it was not your privilege to start a thread asking about Adam.Now maybe AFTER the next show if Adam did not follow through with his promise to replace the snake(even though he felt the kid killed the snake) then i could see you helping the kid spread the word.I would not be shocked if the kid has been reading everything wrote here and bpnet and is laughing at you taking the heat for his screw up.I still would like to know how he found you? Have you given any snakes away before involving something like this? I am not trying to "hound" you just wondering why its so hard for you to see the truth here.It was you that started everything by either coaxing the kid(thread on bpnet) and you creating the thread here.

ummm, he sorta became MY customer when he offered to buy a snake BECAUSE the one he had just brought died. So, then I sorta felt I needed to find out what really happened cause I didn't wanna make him pay twice if he really did get screwed (and I happened to have 2 hatchlings left)....but I am done..you just don't get it.

I KNEW it wasn't my fight that's why it shouldn't have been brought here...a simple posting of the link for the kid didn't make me responsible for this whole mess..that's ALL YOU.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Well I am friends with Adam K, and he is a good guy. Deb can feel free to not buy from me as well as her business I can certainly do without.

Thank you...I'll take note of that....off to buy some more snakes!

 

[JudyC]

I can't remember a time when I've seen a BOI thread in which I so deeply disagreed with BOTH sides of the issue being batted back and forth.

Deb, while I respect your attempts to help the kid and get him a new snake at no cost, I also think you didn't really do him any favors. Whether you intended it to turn out a certain way or not, a businessman's name and integrity were brought into question for no other reason than YOU believed his "Customer Service" was not up to YOUR standards. I realize this is your "opinion"...but should everyone's business practices be brought into question based on nothing more than them not living up to YOUR standards?

It sucks that the snake died. It would suck for a kid to have to wait a few more weeks to get the snake I'm sure he worked hard to get. Sometimes life just sucks. But compared to almost anything else in life, that waiting for a snake is such a tiny amount of suckiness it boggles my mind that an experienced, grown woman would make such a big deal out of it. I can understand a young teen not "getting it"....but not someone like you. Since when is it the responsibility of anyone to drop everything they are doing to make sure some teenager doesn't have to suffer through a brief wait in life?

Sorry.....I'm digressing into why I think your opinion was wrong to begin with, and that is not my purpose for this post. It is MY opinion that you made some fairly serious mistakes in how you handled this entire situation and tried to support your rather unreasonable position. Your entire premise for your involvement in this mess doesn't make any sense....and therefore, everytime you try to vehemently to back it up, it only makes you look worse.

I am NOT questioning your motives or your intentions. I honestly believe you felt bad for this kid and wanted to help him out. I honestly believe you felt like you were doing the right thing by encouraging him to post his experience. What I don't understand is how you can continue to stand behind an unjust "bad guy" thread and it APPEARS that it is a case of being unable to swallow some pride and admit that things weren't handled well from the beginning.

As for JOE and the rest.....all I am seeing is a desire to throw gasoline on the flames and attack someone for very little reason at all. I wouldn't have an issue with pointing out how Deb could have handled things differently. But you guys go so far beyond that it's unreal. You're constantly and repeatedly making assumptions about her motives and intentions and stating them as facts. You take what few actual facts there are in this matter and completely misstate them...over and over again, as if repitition will somehow make them true.

You may disagree with her opinion and even her actions...but your attacks on her character are baseless and do nothing but make you seem like tiny little people who get off on bringing others down for your own personal entertainment.

I can understand why Deb might be curious (given her opinions and point of view) about whether or not anyone else here knows Adam. I'd personally love to see some testimonials about his customer service because I think it would show him in a GOOD light. I don't think he did anything remotely wrong in this situation. But instead, the thread got turned into a "let's bring BP.net drama into the BOI and continue to attack Deb over here because it's even more fun on the BOI than it is at BP.net!" There was no reason whatsoever to bring any of the BP.net links or posts into it. There was no reason to question Deb's motives for making the inquiry either......it should have been allowed to run its course and anyone knowing Adam should have been given the chance to say so without having to wade through all this drama that had nothing to do with him.

Bleh....sorry for being so wordy....