Bad Guy The end of the rope for Dave Lawson

[varnyard]

Regarding Dave Lawson, I haven't seen anyone mention his latest outing.

http://suncoastpasco.tbo.com/content/2009/jan/27/no-cure-venom-burgled-snake-says-owner/

Randal Berry

Thats what made me wonder as well Randal, it was published on January 27, 2009. This is strange that Dave would call the law to report the snakes stolen, if he had all of these warrents a month before he called the law. Rozann contacted me before these snakes were stolen and told me that Dave was wanted by the law. Is Dave dumb enough to make a report about a theft to the police, and him being wanted? Something smells like fish, I cannot understand that at all.

Dave is a thief, scumbag, scammer and a liar, and I think he needs to be behind bars as well. But some of this just don't add up.

Rozann, and Mike, do you know anything about the police report that was made on these hots?

Just for the record, I got one of them PMs as well Seamus:

Stardust:If it were anyone else but mike you would be jumping down the throat you should be jumping down, Dave. This was posted because I saw that dave ( now running from the law) came on here under his assumed name which I found out being there, I have written to Rich to let him know who it is so an IP can be found.
Dave is on here checking and enough maybe he will post under that name and be caught and be where he should be.
Think Bobby. People make mistakes, throwing the salt like I said is not helping any future victims of this vile man.
Going against me is not helping to potentially put this man where he should be... behind bars.
Again thank you for the numbers, the were of great help and support. People make mistakes Bobby.

Rozann

That is another thing that makes me wonder, why did Rozann contact two other people to help her? She told me Dave put her and the children out on the street. Why did she not contact Mike to come get the children if they were in danger over a month ago? Or did she, and Mike would not go? It just reeks of fish, I cannot help thinking there is much more that is not being told here.

 

[John E Dove]

Good point Mr. Berry, I had forgotten that posting. It would seem that the law down there is either inept or does not really think there enough to be bothered about.
My guess is the former rather than the latter.

 

[varnyard]

For the record, there is no Rabbit Hobbit that has been logged in or even on the members list here.

There is a Rabid Hobbit, but the last time that member was logged in was Feb 13th.

So how is this proof Dave is here? I guess I will sit back and scratch my head some more, and smell a little more fish.

 

[John E Dove]

Mr. Hill,
There was a thread started by Rabid Hobbit where these accusations came to light.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112403&highlight=Rabid+Hobbit

 

[Cat_72]

OK, let me try to do something that I'm not really good at here - be a voice of reason.

None of us here, besides Michael and Roz, know the whole story...and we very possibly never will. The personal side of it really isn't any of our business, I guess, though the "not knowing" part makes it a whole lot harder for us to make sense out of the rest of it, the business end of it, if you will.

We can all see that Roz screwed up, yeah, big time she screwed up. And I'm not going to try to make any excuses for her, because I don't know why she did what she did. But let me throw this out there - and I know it will be scoffed at by some, but I've been in a not-so-warm-and-fuzzy type relationship in the past, and learned a lot about how some people operate...things that I don't believe anyone should ever have to know, and things that many will never understand, nevertheless true things.

People who are abusers, career scumbags, whatever, may not be very bright or however you'd like to term it, but they often are very good at the psyhcological games they play. This is why you see abused women go back to their abusers time and time again, why you see people falling for their BS lies. Even intelligent people, even people who have said time and time again that "if a man ever hit me, I'd be gone before he saw the door close behind me", even people who already know what the story is, even people who have morals and ethics and whatever other things that "good" folks have. It happens every day. Of course, some are smart enough to never put themselves in a situation where the "bad guy" has a chance to get in, but some, well...don't even know that they have put themselves into that situation until it's too late. And sometimes fear can keep them there, until something happens that either wakes them up and forces them to make the concious choice to get out, or to give up and give in. People who haven't been in such a situation will never, ever, ever be able to understand it, this is a fact I know.

Again, I'm NOT making excuses for anyone, I'm just trying to say that while I will never understand everyone's individual situation, well...I can empathize with bits and pieces.

*big deep breath*

With all of that said...I know each person posting here honestly has what they believe are the best of intentions. Really. And yes, I think there is a lot more to the story than we will ever know, but I have to ask - how much of it do we all really NEED to know? Maybe some will have to work to get the trust back that people had in them before, maybe some don't care whether they are trusted or not anymore. I just don't know.

IMHO, we need to get past all of the big man crap and do our best to focus on what is important here - that those kids are now safe, and that NO ONE should be sheltering Lawson, and folks need to work together to finally get this freaking scumbag to where he deserves to be (well, I guess they don't really put people UNDER the prison, but still...).

If I am reading the COMPLETE court records correctly, I believe that the bail was jumped (or however you term it, I don't know honestly, I just got that from watching TV lol) AFTER the report was filed on the stolen snakes. WHen I initially went in and looked at the court records, I did not look far enough to see that there was continuing proceedings, it looked like those cases were closed and done with, but apparently they are not. Maybe this time he will get what he really deserves, instead of the slap on the wrist he is used to.

 

[Stardust]

Again it is the time line. I see that that posting of the paper was on my birthday, Jan 27th. I was at the court house filing a restraining order at that time and Mr. Lawson at that time did not have warrants, he was simply out on a 85k bond.
I actually found out about the alleged theft through fish and wildlife and to be honest I do not know what all venemous snakes he owned besides rattlesnakes and I am afraid of them. Since I didn't go near them and couldn't tell one from the other I couldn't say for sure. In his Dave's favor he did say one of his rattlesnakes were albino and something with a T but I am at a loss again as to what that means.
The warrants for his arrest and the upping of his bonds did not happen until the 9th of Feb at which time he had failed to show up to a third court date. The ones both in the morning and afternoon (on the 5th of Feb)he did not show, his new lawyer did (he was indigent before, now all of a sudden he had money for a lawyer again) show as well as the court appointed lawyer he did not dismiss. They were told at the time the trial will go on with no more continuances. Trial was to start on the 9th of Feb, when he did not show up for that one AND his newly retained lawyer only showed by phone that is when the warrants went out and the bonds were upped significantly.
I hope this clears up some of the time line that you were asking for and the confusion.

Thank you Cat. I make no excuses, I did a stupid thing, fell for a bunch of lies when his mom passed a few months ago and he said he needed help. Since the rest is not pertaining to this I will let people like you and others I trust know in private but to the rest of fauna and the world I will not vent my losses or even Dave's for that matter. When it was apparent to me that things were not what it was told to me, I made other arrangements, it was simply not quick enough for him to take from me. The moving company had already arrived.

 

[Stardust]

Bobby, you are exasperating at times. I asked for help to move my things out within the short amount of time Dave gave me, with police escort. I had already been out of the house at the time I called you. Perhaps because I woke you up to ask for numbers or what ever, I don't get it. I was not on the streets from day 1. I own my own property, I am not destitude despite the losses and I have a great support system. There would have been no time for Mike to fly out to help me move the things. We are talking about a whole house (4 bedroom) that I had moved from MI to FL to be put into a moving truck again in a limited amount of time to not take up too much of the police time. As it turns out not nearly the things were moved out as were moved in one short week earlier.
Now, that is it for me on this subject, I hope the time line clarifies things for people.

 

[Stardust]

For the record, there is no Rabbit Hobbit that has been logged in or even on the members list here.

There is a Rabid Hobbit, but the last time that member was logged in was Feb 13th.

So how is this proof Dave is here? I guess I will sit back and scratch my head some more, and smell a little more fish.

What are you not getting Bobby? Yes thank you the last long in was the 13th, AFTER the new warrants. He had went to my profile, Mikes profile and those of friends that he knows I have on here. A little eerie to say the least since he knows he is not to contact me by any means including but not limited to the internet. In all your great detective work did you see the aggravated stalking?
Sorry folks I said I was done with that part, but I hadn't read all of Bobbys post and that struck me as funny that he was aiding my case and didn't even realize it.

 

[Seamus Haley]

With all of that said...I know each person posting here honestly has what they believe are the best of intentions. Really. And yes, I think there is a lot more to the story than we will ever know, but I have to ask - how much of it do we all really NEED to know? Maybe some will have to work to get the trust back that people had in them before, maybe some don't care whether they are trusted or not anymore. I just don't know.

First of all... if it wasn't pertinent, it shouldn't have been brought up at all. It was brought up so I can only assume it's somehow relevant.

Secondly... It doesn't matter if someone believes they have the best of intentions if they can't be honest in their expression of them. I was blatantly lied to and told that this thread was generated with the intention of getting Dave's IP address with the help of the site owner to track him down physically. This is both not possible (because of AOL's rotating IP system) and a direct bold faced lie- my forwarding the PM was the first Rich had heard about it.

When people lie to further their own agendas I no longer trust anything they have to say. I can no longer trust that Michael wasn't paid or compensated for those animals, I can no longer trust that Rozann wasn't in on Dave's scamming ways from the start, I can't even trust that Dave has those animals and that they were ever sent in the first place (or not sent back).

If they tell one self-serving lie, they'll tell others. Nothing posted by them in this thread can be taken at face value. It's all suspect and all worthless, because a great deal of it hinged on the value of their word. The only thing that has any validity at this point is that Dave's wanted again, which was already known. Michael's claims about his animals? Useless because they come from a liar. Rozann's sob story about how she was mistreated and misled? Useless because it comes from a liar.

Nice people, likable people... I do not give a rat's ass about it the second they lie like that. They're scum from that point forward.

 

[varnyard]

Again it is the time line. I see that that posting of the paper was on my birthday, Jan 27th. I was at the court house filing a restraining order at that time and Mr. Lawson at that time did not have warrants, he was simply out on a 85k bond.

Rozann, I am getting very tired of the lies here. You contacted me on Wednesday Jan 21, 2009 at 7 AM CST. You told me then that Dave had warrents, so yes it is all about time lines, and yours does not fly.

 

[Stardust]

LOL Bobby, you posted a letter you wrote. Thanks for providing that I did call you in the morning and woke you up.
I did not say at that time he had warrants. I did not get into that much of a convo with you in general. It was only a few minutes, you couldnt find your business cards, you didn't want to call or write Mike but did anyway ect...
No where have you mentioned I said this before and now because you are confusing things you come on here and say it. Problem is, for you, the time line can be traced and your drama version can not. So thank you again for applying to what I said. I called you for numbers and/or ways to get ahold of people I trust since my personal belongs were not in my possession.

 

[Stardust]

Hell Bobby I will give you one more tidbit of fact that discredits your story.
Timeline:
I was out of Dave's house on the 18 th of Jan. I was safely into a new residence on that day as well. On the 18th the boas were still there, the police were called on that day as well.
On the morning of the 21st when with police escort I started to pick up my things the boas were gone.
So you see Bobby I was never homeless, it was my friends, people who care about me that worried about my safety. Mike even waited to post on here because of the things that came to light during my short stay there.

The big thing here is that I told you it was Dave Lawson that I moved out of and you ran with it, blew it up and made it into something it is not to try to include yourself as much as possible when I simply made a phone call to you asking for number or a way to get ahold of some people I trust. That, Bobby is your only role in the whole thing. Right up there, what you posted is your only role. I am sure your phone bill, should you decide to show that too will show that I only talked with you long enough to wake up, rummage through your stuff to find a link or number and possibly a couple of seconds rant about fauna.
The only possible other thing I can think of is that you have probably given Dave a good laugh and a silent "I told you so" to me about just how stupid you are.

 

[varnyard]

First off Rozann, you are a liar, and you are not one bit better than Dave.

You told me on the 21st you were homeless and Dave had warrants. But you can play this game if you wish, everyone here knows I have nothing to gain from this. Maybe it was a ploy by you to collect money from me out of pity, but you can bet one thing. I will never believe one word you ever say again.

So it is too clear you are a liar here, and the ploy you are making now only shows more of the truth.

Do not call me again, deal with your strange scumbag men by yourself next time Roz.

If it was to get your stuff as you are now saying, then why was this other contact needed? The police would be a better choice to get your stuff. No Roz, that was not the story, as proven here.

I never over stated my roll here, I talked to you once, where in you told me you were homeless and had no where to stay. and you needed to get in touch with "SOMEONE" in the Tampa area. You Did not even know at the time that Mike G, or John S lived where they do.

So keep on with this game Rozann, it is only getting you in deeper.

Please explain why it is that Mike said he did not want to post this until you and his children were safe. So if were you safe on the 18th of January, then why would Mike say this on the 14th of February? And why would I post about you and Dave on the news forum about the same thing that has been told on here, I have no psychic powers, so how did I know then Ros? Yes, you are a liar!! That is how I knew!!

 

[Stardust]

OMG Bobby, I am going to waste any more of my time on your silly little drama, take your money and get your hair washed and cut or something, or better yet get a roladex I don't care. I have said from the beginning I am not here for pity, handouts or anything.
I offered to pay for the help I received, so please.... You are too funny. Do you even read what is actually written? Have you actually looked at the time line of the court dates?
Yes, I concur, I made a very bad error in judgement but I am dealing with it and taking care of it and correcting it, I am taking responsibility and embracing that it was my error.
I would not have confided in you, I was simply asking you for info to those I COULD confide in. YOU got all up into that other thread that I didn't even know about until the other day, not me. You THOUGHT you had some insight simply because I made one phone call to you and asked for information that were not at my finger tips at the time.
Mike Heald works graveyard shift and I could not contact him right off the bat, I had gotten the call from the police after they talked with Dave on when I could schedule to pick up my things.
Perhaps before you go sticking your foot in your mouth again I suggest you wait until Mike can come on here and give some more info that is pertinent to the boas.
Because we are not at liberty, at this time, to give all info we will give what ever we can, so take a lesson from those who ARE in the know and intelligent enough to know when to talk and when not to and sit back and watch it unfold.

 

[varnyard]

OMG Bobby, I am going to waste any more of my time on your silly little drama, take your money and get your hair washed and cut or something, or better yet get a roladex I don't care. I have said from the beginning I am not here for pity, handouts or anything.
I offered to pay for the help I received, so please.... You are too funny. Do you even read what is actually written? Have you actually looked at the time line of the court dates?
Yes, I concur, I made a very bad error in judgement but I am dealing with it and taking care of it and correcting it, I am taking responsibility and embracing that it was my error.
I would not have confided in you, I was simply asking you for info to those I COULD confide in. YOU got all up into that other thread that I didn't even know about until the other day, not me. You THOUGHT you had some insight simply because I made one phone call to you and asked for information that were not at my finger tips at the time.
Mike Heald works graveyard shift and I could not contact him right off the bat, I had gotten the call from the police after they talked with Dave on when I could schedule to pick up my things.
Perhaps before you go sticking your foot in your mouth again I suggest you wait until Mike can come on here and give some more info that is pertinent to the boas.
Because we are not at liberty, at this time, to give all info we will give what ever we can, so take a lesson from those who ARE in the know and intelligent enough to know when to talk and when not to and sit back and watch it unfold.

So Mike works graveyard shift and you could not contact him. So why would you need to contact him if you and your children were safe on the 18th of January?

Answer the questions above Roz, am I a psychic, or are you a liar?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Just to clarify a few things. Mike Greathouse received a message from Bobby stating the Rozann was in a bind and needed help. When i came home for lunch that day, I had a voicemail on my business line from Rozann asking if I had Mike's phone number. Neither of us know her well but Mike G. does know Mike H slightly. I called her back and she told me the situation. She had a large number of heavy items at Lawson's and had rented a Uhaul but had no way to load it. She also needed a police escort to get the stuff due to the situation with Lawson. Primarily because there were kids involved, Mike and i decided to drive up and help out.

Under police escort, we picked up two truckloads of furnoiture and appliances and loaded them in a storage unit. Rozann offerred to pay us for our time and also offerred to pay for gas but we declined. This was just a case of helping someone in an untenable situation out. She was already staying with someone she knew down here and getting her things away from Lawson before he could sell them was really her last hurdle in addressing the situation.

I guess i am a little confused on the drama level. Did she make a really bad choice in putting herself in that situation?...absolutely. She did something dumb, paid for it by loosing a lot of her stuff and is now moving on. The name calling and accusations are a bit over the top.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

Just to clarify a few things. Mike Greathouse received a message from Bobby stating the Rozann was in a bind and needed help. When i came home for lunch that day, I had a voicemail on my business line from Rozann asking if I had Mike's phone number. Neither of us know her well but Mike G. does know Mike H slightly. I called her back and she told me the situation. She had a large number of heavy items at Lawson's and had rented a Uhaul but had no way to load it. She also needed a police escort to get the stuff due to the situation with Lawson. Primarily because there were kids involved, Mike and i decided to drive up and help out.

Under police escort, we picked up two truckloads of furnoiture and appliances and loaded them in a storage unit. Rozann offerred to pay us for our time and also offerred to pay for gas but we declined. This was just a case of helping someone in an untenable situation out. She was already staying with someone she knew down here and getting her things away from Lawson before he could sell them was really her last hurdle in addressing the situation.

I guess i am a little confused on the drama level. Did she make a really bad choice in putting herself in that situation?...absolutely. She did something dumb, paid for it by loosing a lot of her stuff and is now moving on. The name calling and accusations are a bit over the top.

Thank you John, for being a voice of reason in all of this.
I never heard Rozann aywhere in this thread cry for pity or money or anything else. This started out as a bad guy thread against Dave Lawson and has gotten totally off track.

 

[varnyard]

John, that still does not answer why she is now telling false truths on here. There is no way I would have known unless she told me. But here she claims she did not tell me anything about her being thrown out of the house, children not being safe and Dave having warants. So am I a psychic? No, she is not being honest to this board.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125697

Varnyard on 01-29-2009: Well it is more than a feeling, I just know there is much more to old Dave's story, and I know this first hand. I got a call from one of our members a week or so ago, seems she went down there to take a job from old Dave. Shortly after she was there Dave put her and her children out on the street. There were a few stories being told about the whole thing, but I do know part of it was so. She called me in desperation, or so the story goes. Said old Dave was quite the A$$ and just put her and her children out on the street, she also said Dave had a warrant for his arrest, now that makes no sense if he is calling the law to report a theft?? Oh yes, I think there is much more to that story.

I will also add, this member knew of old Dave and his habits of poor humanity, and went anyway. Go figure that one??

So how did I know on 01-29-2009 about all of this if she did not tell me. Also there are two members here that know I contacted them on the 21st and knew all of this then. So how did I know Rozann, if you did not tell me like you are now claiming?

Stop me if I am wrong, but 01-29-2009, is not 2-14-2009, and 1-21-2009 is not 1-18-2009.

Sorry Rozann, but too much smelly fish here, and your statements, dates and stories do not add up. Or are they honest, you can't have it both ways Rozann, you can start again, this time with the truth.

 

[varnyard]

This started out as a bad guy thread against Dave Lawson and has gotten totally off track.

It is not off track, people cannot come on the BOI and claim facts, and then get a free pass when they are caught in a lies.

It has everything to do with this thread.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

She called you the morning you contacted Mike. Since you stated in that message that she was in trouble I assume she, at least briefly, outlined the problem. Lawson had a court date which was probably going to end in him doing time. That may be the reference to warrants. He did throw her out. Her stuff was piled in the yard when we went to pick it up. He stated to the officer that he had told her to leave. Dave did file a police report on the "stolen" snakes. That is stated in the article.


If this is all about the content of your conversation with her on the 19th...who cares? In a bad situation, maybe she gave you a few more details than she remembers. Not unlikely given the stress she was under.

The details of her situation, based on what i have seen and heard first hand, have been communicated honestly.