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I love ya Bobby!!!! You have made your points, multiple times, and everyone here gets what you are saying (at least I do) but now its to the point of beating a dead horse, IMHO.
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Bad Guy The end of the rope for Dave Lawson
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I love ya Bobby!!!! You have made your points, multiple times, and everyone here gets what you are saying (at least I do) but now its to the point of beating a dead horse, IMHO.
I love you too Beth, but one thing I really hate is being lied to. Not even saying being called a liar after the facts are proven.
Rozann needs to tell the truth here, that is all I ask, if she continues to plant lies I will dig them up.
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Where's the proof of what she told you then, Bobby?
It seems to me that the storyline goes about correctly. Just because Mike didn't feel she and the kids were safe, even if they were out of the house? No where do I see it stated that Mike said "I didn't post until now, because she wasn't out of the house", but instead "until she was safe".
Maybe they were waiting for something other than moving out of the house? Maybe it was more waiting until the police had assured her of some detail? Her to get a security system? A large dog? Why would it HAVE to be that date that she got out of the house, when others have already stated it was a certain time they helped her move?
It seems to me that the storyline goes about correctly. Just because Mike didn't feel she and the kids were safe, even if they were out of the house? No where do I see it stated that Mike said "I didn't post until now, because she wasn't out of the house", but instead "until she was safe".
Maybe they were waiting for something other than moving out of the house? Maybe it was more waiting until the police had assured her of some detail? Her to get a security system? A large dog? Why would it HAVE to be that date that she got out of the house, when others have already stated it was a certain time they helped her move?
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Bobby
Unless you are reading something into all those carefully preserved quotes that I don't see, I don't see them as helping your position.
Dave threw her out on the 17th
On the 18th she was staying in a new place and had all of her stuff out of Daves.
Mike Heald did not want to say anything that might cause her more difficulty until she was situated. She is now situated. If he hadn't gone on the run Dave would now be in jail which would have made her even more secure.
Dave did file a police report on the supposedly stolen snakes. That has been documented
The entire issue that seems to be the burr under your blanket is whether she used the word "homeless" in her conversation with you on the 19th. I have to ask again...Who cares?
Find a new windmill to go after Bobby. This one is pretty much tilt proof
Unless you are reading something into all those carefully preserved quotes that I don't see, I don't see them as helping your position.
Dave threw her out on the 17th
On the 18th she was staying in a new place and had all of her stuff out of Daves.
Mike Heald did not want to say anything that might cause her more difficulty until she was situated. She is now situated. If he hadn't gone on the run Dave would now be in jail which would have made her even more secure.
Dave did file a police report on the supposedly stolen snakes. That has been documented
The entire issue that seems to be the burr under your blanket is whether she used the word "homeless" in her conversation with you on the 19th. I have to ask again...Who cares?
Find a new windmill to go after Bobby. This one is pretty much tilt proof
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Thank you John for coming on and sharing what you do know and I still feel a return of favor to you and Mike is warranted 
You both were very helpful and I appreciate it.
As to being thrown out. Let me clarify further, even though this is my personal life and not about the thread at hand.
On the morning of the 18th Dave asked me what I was doing as I was on the phone and dressed to leave as were my children. I stated to him that I was going to go out and look for a storage unit and moving truck, he then told me since I am moving my things out I had a week to leave, I stated two days would be enough time. Approx. 5 min later he came back into the room and said for me and the kids to get the hell out, to take only clothing and that my things would not be going with me.
I was leaving anyway and had already made arrangements to that in advance. Instead of sitting there and fighting in front of my children and I was a more then a little intimidated by him (6'2 300lb) and he was very irate that I was moving. I just said ok and left with kids and some clothes, then I proceeded to call the police, who went there and saw my things. My monetary things were not as important obviously as our safety.
The majority of my things were still in boxes as they had only arrived there approx a week before hand.
It wasn't until the 21st that I was able to get police escort and cooperation from Dave to get my belongs. The boxes I did get back were all opened and rifled threw and retaped with different tape then the original moving company tape. There were three trips all together (I did not rent a big enough truck) once during the early afternoon and twice with John and Mike in the evening for the heavier things such as furniture and appliances. The appliances were already outside from the movers and Dave had placed the rest of the things outside so we wouldn't go into his house plus we did not want to go into that house again. So that was the arrangement. I made some references to what was missing, TV ect because I had hired a moving company everything had been itemized.
Now as to Bobby, perhaps he misconstrued me stating that Mr. Lawson had a court date on the 26th (see court file) into some kind of warrant. I did not lie to anyone, in fact I do not like putting my personal life out as I normally am a very private person there so I wouldn't have said much except to close friends, family and those I may trust. As you can see from the court dates there were many of them, including the indigent one and the date of the 5th of Feb that he suddenly could afford a lawyer.
I feel badly that John and Mike are now in this and took time out of their daily lives to help me and now come on here.
I am dealing with what needs to be dealt with and doing what I believe I should being doing to put this behind me and the children.
As to the boas, I will let Mike talk about that and give routing numbers to the shipment when he is able to come on here and do so. The reason I know the boas were not there on the day of the 21st is because my 16 yo daughter helped me move the boxes, went to the doorway where the cage was in clear view, the same cage they were in on the 18th and snapped a picture, she did this with a police officer right there with her. Coupled with the phone messages from Dave of when they arrived there and on the 18th when he said, on the message machine that he had sold them on the 17th. Yet we have pictures of them still there on the morning of the 18th.
So there you have it, I was indeed kicked out, but only after he found out I was leaving already and had already made the arrangements. I had seen and heard enough, I was done with it.
I do not want pity, nor have asked anyone for money, handouts or the like. I face the music and go on. We are just trying to get on with our lives.
Again, and I can not say this enough, thank you John and Mike and Mike from the heart. My kids although thanking you that night have since stated that you were awesome in your help time and time again. It is still an emotional thing for me to talk about because some of the greatest things lost and not retreived from my files were pictures, report cards ect that I had saved that is forever lost now, no one can replace those things, so I will end this now.
You both were very helpful and I appreciate it.As to being thrown out. Let me clarify further, even though this is my personal life and not about the thread at hand.
On the morning of the 18th Dave asked me what I was doing as I was on the phone and dressed to leave as were my children. I stated to him that I was going to go out and look for a storage unit and moving truck, he then told me since I am moving my things out I had a week to leave, I stated two days would be enough time. Approx. 5 min later he came back into the room and said for me and the kids to get the hell out, to take only clothing and that my things would not be going with me.
I was leaving anyway and had already made arrangements to that in advance. Instead of sitting there and fighting in front of my children and I was a more then a little intimidated by him (6'2 300lb) and he was very irate that I was moving. I just said ok and left with kids and some clothes, then I proceeded to call the police, who went there and saw my things. My monetary things were not as important obviously as our safety.
The majority of my things were still in boxes as they had only arrived there approx a week before hand.
It wasn't until the 21st that I was able to get police escort and cooperation from Dave to get my belongs. The boxes I did get back were all opened and rifled threw and retaped with different tape then the original moving company tape. There were three trips all together (I did not rent a big enough truck) once during the early afternoon and twice with John and Mike in the evening for the heavier things such as furniture and appliances. The appliances were already outside from the movers and Dave had placed the rest of the things outside so we wouldn't go into his house plus we did not want to go into that house again. So that was the arrangement. I made some references to what was missing, TV ect because I had hired a moving company everything had been itemized.
Now as to Bobby, perhaps he misconstrued me stating that Mr. Lawson had a court date on the 26th (see court file) into some kind of warrant. I did not lie to anyone, in fact I do not like putting my personal life out as I normally am a very private person there so I wouldn't have said much except to close friends, family and those I may trust. As you can see from the court dates there were many of them, including the indigent one and the date of the 5th of Feb that he suddenly could afford a lawyer.
I feel badly that John and Mike are now in this and took time out of their daily lives to help me and now come on here.
I am dealing with what needs to be dealt with and doing what I believe I should being doing to put this behind me and the children.
As to the boas, I will let Mike talk about that and give routing numbers to the shipment when he is able to come on here and do so. The reason I know the boas were not there on the day of the 21st is because my 16 yo daughter helped me move the boxes, went to the doorway where the cage was in clear view, the same cage they were in on the 18th and snapped a picture, she did this with a police officer right there with her. Coupled with the phone messages from Dave of when they arrived there and on the 18th when he said, on the message machine that he had sold them on the 17th. Yet we have pictures of them still there on the morning of the 18th.
So there you have it, I was indeed kicked out, but only after he found out I was leaving already and had already made the arrangements. I had seen and heard enough, I was done with it.
I do not want pity, nor have asked anyone for money, handouts or the like. I face the music and go on. We are just trying to get on with our lives.
Again, and I can not say this enough, thank you John and Mike and Mike from the heart. My kids although thanking you that night have since stated that you were awesome in your help time and time again. It is still an emotional thing for me to talk about because some of the greatest things lost and not retreived from my files were pictures, report cards ect that I had saved that is forever lost now, no one can replace those things, so I will end this now.
Well John you are welcome to your opinion, but the times, dates, statements by mike, statements by her and what she told me do not add up.
She claims now she was safe on the 18 th of Jan, but Mike claims almost a month later that this is why he waited. Also she flat out lied about me here, her story that she is telling now is not the story she told me. But it is funny that I knew about it on the 21st, but all of the proof about it just came out. How did I know? And even more funny is it was the exact same story I posted in the news forum before this thread started. She can't keep the story straight.
Maybe you like being lied to John, but I do not.
She claims now she was safe on the 18 th of Jan, but Mike claims almost a month later that this is why he waited. Also she flat out lied about me here, her story that she is telling now is not the story she told me. But it is funny that I knew about it on the 21st, but all of the proof about it just came out. How did I know? And even more funny is it was the exact same story I posted in the news forum before this thread started. She can't keep the story straight.
Maybe you like being lied to John, but I do not.
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I'll try one more time Bobby and then go and enjoy the rest of my day off.
Point out the lies? You seem to be the only one who can see them
Point out the lies? You seem to be the only one who can see them
Ok since Mr Hill seems to have a strange twist as to my interpretation of safe. Let me explain. And then after this is done he will call me a liar and not believe what I say.
So actually John (and again thank you for helping) she was thrown out on the 18th. She did have a new place to live. No one reading the forum is going to believe that Rozann living 10 miles from Dave Lawson, given what I had found out him, considered her safe?
The other factor is since Dave does come on here and does get upset about his name being dragged through the mud. So why when Dave still has her stuff hostage am I going to create a turmoil?
Now she gets permission on the 21st to get her stuff, I am not reachable to get contact info so she calls you! John and Mike G help her. Ok so some of her stuff is now out of Daves hands but she still lives too close for comfort. I know he has court on the 26th of January and its a big court date. Potential of 15 years in jail.
Ok on the 26th the Court date for Dave was continued because witnesses were not available. The continuance takes the date to Feb 9th, he has a calender call on Feb 5th.
On the 26th of Jan Rozann filed for a restraining order, it was refined and put in place on the 27th. It took two trips to get it, the second on the27th (her birthday). Now again given what I now know of Dave do you think the a restraining order will really stop him if he got mad at her, and he had at this point somehow found out where she now lived. So anyone reading think at this time Rozann was safe?
Dave has a court date on Feb 5th at which time he has gone from indigent to retaining a lawyer. They ask for and extension, interesting to note Dave came to the court house but did not appear in court. The judge refused the motion for delaying the trial. So it was set to go ahead on the 9th. Again anyone here believe Rozann is safe? Dave does his disappearing act and doesnt show up. As Cat said jumped bail, warrents are issued for his arrest, his bail is increased. On Feb 12 Rozann has a hearing on her restraining order. Again Dave Lawson is a no show. He doesnt appear to be home, and even though there really isnt a man hunt out for him. He seems to have run and is no longer in Pasco County, FL. At this point in time I begin to feel comfortable with starting to try to drag his name out.
So Bobby Hill, I dont know what you think your terms of safe are, But there are mine!
Now please proceed with calling me a liar so we can get that part of this out in the open!
So actually John (and again thank you for helping) she was thrown out on the 18th. She did have a new place to live. No one reading the forum is going to believe that Rozann living 10 miles from Dave Lawson, given what I had found out him, considered her safe?
The other factor is since Dave does come on here and does get upset about his name being dragged through the mud. So why when Dave still has her stuff hostage am I going to create a turmoil?
Now she gets permission on the 21st to get her stuff, I am not reachable to get contact info so she calls you! John and Mike G help her. Ok so some of her stuff is now out of Daves hands but she still lives too close for comfort. I know he has court on the 26th of January and its a big court date. Potential of 15 years in jail.
Ok on the 26th the Court date for Dave was continued because witnesses were not available. The continuance takes the date to Feb 9th, he has a calender call on Feb 5th.
On the 26th of Jan Rozann filed for a restraining order, it was refined and put in place on the 27th. It took two trips to get it, the second on the27th (her birthday). Now again given what I now know of Dave do you think the a restraining order will really stop him if he got mad at her, and he had at this point somehow found out where she now lived. So anyone reading think at this time Rozann was safe?
Dave has a court date on Feb 5th at which time he has gone from indigent to retaining a lawyer. They ask for and extension, interesting to note Dave came to the court house but did not appear in court. The judge refused the motion for delaying the trial. So it was set to go ahead on the 9th. Again anyone here believe Rozann is safe? Dave does his disappearing act and doesnt show up. As Cat said jumped bail, warrents are issued for his arrest, his bail is increased. On Feb 12 Rozann has a hearing on her restraining order. Again Dave Lawson is a no show. He doesnt appear to be home, and even though there really isnt a man hunt out for him. He seems to have run and is no longer in Pasco County, FL. At this point in time I begin to feel comfortable with starting to try to drag his name out.
So Bobby Hill, I dont know what you think your terms of safe are, But there are mine!
Now please proceed with calling me a liar so we can get that part of this out in the open!
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How did you know what Bobby? I called you and told you I needed numbers or the digital herps site (I didn't remember that name) I told you a very short and brief explaination. That is all you knew. We hardly talked on the phone. At NO time did I tell you or anyone else at that time that he had warrants out at that time. I may have said he is out on bail, or he has court dates coming up.
Let me ask you why would I just tell you that? Anyone who I have spoken to from that date, before and after I have said the truth, there is no reason to lie, the state of Florida provides all this information.
John and Mike were kind enough to come on and say what I had stated, your version is the only different one. I think perhaps you just misunderstood, it was morning, you had just woken up..... The warrant just came out in the open on here. Someone questioned on why Dave would call the police and I answered. AT THE TIME he did not have any warrants on him.
I am not going to just select you to tell something different to especially when I woke you and asked you for information, Bobby, that just doesn't make sense. I will say again thank you for emailing Mike for me.
Geez, I am going to fix my daughters hair and go on an outing, continue this if you will.
Fact, Dave Lawson is running around with warrents on his head. And Mike is out two boas.
Let me ask you why would I just tell you that? Anyone who I have spoken to from that date, before and after I have said the truth, there is no reason to lie, the state of Florida provides all this information.
John and Mike were kind enough to come on and say what I had stated, your version is the only different one. I think perhaps you just misunderstood, it was morning, you had just woken up..... The warrant just came out in the open on here. Someone questioned on why Dave would call the police and I answered. AT THE TIME he did not have any warrants on him.
I am not going to just select you to tell something different to especially when I woke you and asked you for information, Bobby, that just doesn't make sense. I will say again thank you for emailing Mike for me.
Geez, I am going to fix my daughters hair and go on an outing, continue this if you will.
Fact, Dave Lawson is running around with warrents on his head. And Mike is out two boas.
As far as the boas are concerned I will provide the tracking information later. Because frankly I dont give a flying crap what Seamus or Bobby think of me. When I do so I would like someone I trust to call me so they can listen to Dave Lawson telling me on the 18th via voicemail that he has sold the boas on the 17th and is keeping the money. Boas that have a picture taken in his house still on the 18th. More to come folks
Just keep up, dragging Dave Lawson name out there so sooner or later he come out of his "man cave" and gets caught.
Just keep up, dragging Dave Lawson name out there so sooner or later he come out of his "man cave" and gets caught.
No need to explain that one Mike or about Rozann, it is all right here.
No Mr Hill, we have your mistaken, distorted, and blown out of proportion feeling.
Everything I have just stated has been confirmed or can be seen on the Pasco county clerks site. Or even if you read carefully the timeline of the one court case I posted earlier. So Mr Hill, keep stepping in it.
See the problem I have Rozann is you are still telling the story that you never told me about you and your children being thrown out of Dave's house. Or that Dave had "Warants", or that Dave was putting your stuff out on the street. You told me you had no where to go, and that you even had no where to even charge your phone. You are changing the story that you told me on 1-21-2008, and now say you never said any of that, all you did was try to get contact info, it is BS.
You see why I am after you Roz, just tell the truth. I knew about all of this on 1-21-2009, and if you did not tell me like you are still claiming, how did I know?
You see why I am after you Roz, just tell the truth. I knew about all of this on 1-21-2009, and if you did not tell me like you are still claiming, how did I know?
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This is all OLD news about Davey poo...actually anything about Davey poo on the derogatory end is most likely fact......
Varney...you should know Davey is a theif-scammer-lier.
remember the old snake pit robberies ...his good buddy in crime neil ....his long loooonnnggg record of misdealings here on the BOI.
maybe you didn't get told the whole 'truth' for a reason...the reason being that you are turning this into something about you....[oh whoa is me , I didn't get the whole truth]..ahhh but yes it is
Rozann....I hope you and your children are safe and stay sound
Well Johnny, maybe you did not read this thread before running to post, but I did not once defend Dave. He is a scumbag, theif and liar, that is something you would have known of me saying here if you would have read before running to post.
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hey there Bobbs ...read the whole thing...and we agree for once that Davey poo is a liar theif scumbag....but we disagree on the methods Rozann used to safeguard her family....There is no black and white therepeace
I will answer that Mr Hill, and then I will continue with, What does it matter? Get out of our personal life.
I originally bought the Boas as a Christmas gift for Rozann. When through the course of events I maintained possession of the boas. Because of Rozanns fear of big snakes I have kept them the majority of their lives. As time has gone on Rozann and I divided our animals back out with the lizards and ball pythons becoming hers. And the boa collection then became mine.
I agreed to sell the boas, and because I happen to care about her. Agreed to split the money with her. (I dont know what that matters to anything)
So yes Mr Hill she did "own" them. But since I really dont think you have a clue as to what Rozann and I have or have not done with our animals. I am going to say this is all of my personal business your going to get. And frankly none of what we have is your business anyway.
Now I have a question for you? Since one of the few people who new of that arrangement of the finances of the boas was Dave Lawson, are you in contact with him? I so hope so, I would just love for you go right down there with him!
I originally bought the Boas as a Christmas gift for Rozann. When through the course of events I maintained possession of the boas. Because of Rozanns fear of big snakes I have kept them the majority of their lives. As time has gone on Rozann and I divided our animals back out with the lizards and ball pythons becoming hers. And the boa collection then became mine.
I agreed to sell the boas, and because I happen to care about her. Agreed to split the money with her. (I dont know what that matters to anything)
So yes Mr Hill she did "own" them. But since I really dont think you have a clue as to what Rozann and I have or have not done with our animals. I am going to say this is all of my personal business your going to get. And frankly none of what we have is your business anyway.
Now I have a question for you? Since one of the few people who new of that arrangement of the finances of the boas was Dave Lawson, are you in contact with him? I so hope so, I would just love for you go right down there with him!
Well for the record, let it be known that I said: Dave is a scammer, he is that way in every way of his useless life. Do not deal with him, he will take advantage of you every time. If you know where he is, contact your local police, they want to chat with him about many different things.
And for the record, the investagators are looking into the so-called stolen snakes that Dave reported. Seems they were on a breeding loan, and then went missing. That is all I can say about that for now.
And for the record, the investagators are looking into the so-called stolen snakes that Dave reported. Seems they were on a breeding loan, and then went missing. That is all I can say about that for now.