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your real last name is 'iwanow.' Why are you using an alias? In my world only criminals do that.

Further, upon Googling your real name, I seem to notice that you are far more involved in the (pathetic) aryan nation drama than you readily admit.

You know what really kills me though-that racist jerk-off was embarassed to be in YOUR company at the Spokane airport.

How low does that make you?

GB


None of this has to do with the dragon deal at hand!! I couldn't care less what she did before this thread was started unless it has to do with Heidi and Wendy. There are so many judgemental people on here and it is ridiculous. Is Wendy the only person on here that has gone to jail??? I don't think so! Aryan Nation, former porn star, criminal, NONE OF WHICH has anything to do with the fact that Heidi and Gary have taken a turn at being criminals. Wether they see it that way or not, thats the way it looks on this thread when you read thru it. I think this thread is done since it has been nothing but nonsense and babble since the last time Gary was here and said he would see what the people think "they" should do. Well he has yet to return with his answer. Everyday that passes without an answer is a few more post saying the same thing, refund, and still nothing out of him or Heidi. I guess if he don't care or is just to stubborn to do the right thing then he chooses to let his business take a little hit with this thread. IMO if I sold someone dragons and they weren't happy and sent them back, even though I would be royally pissed I would have to send the money. Food for thought....
 
Mistyck- I refer to Jeane as Jeane most of the time in business dealings. Rarely in business do I refer to her as mom. She sent the first email to caliente, then told me she found some rankins she wanted. I initiated the sale and did ALL the follow through because I bought them for her.

Ok, now that makes more sense. If I was doing business with my mother, I think I would be referring to her with her first name or as Mrs/Ms. So-and-so, much like you are with your mother. Thank you for clearing that up.

The dragonlady99212 account has been in existance LONG before we opened our store front. No one looses business by making changes. We have customers who still only know the email address from 8 years ago.

I agree that if you have had an email address long before the store that people will more likely remember the email address before they remember the business. But I think that I would have eventually changed the email to match the store to make both coincide with each other. Then send out a mass email telling about the changes, or putting it in the "automatic signature" telling about the changes about to occur.

Online deals are sometimes 24hrs a day, depends on the time zone or country it is. Jeane works a swing shift job, I work a 10-7. Who ever is available answers emails to insure timely replies.

When you answer emails, instead of just relying on the "automatic signature" you could have also signed your name at the bottom of the email. That would have helped clear up quite a lot of confusion.

[QUOTElastly, we DO NOT use paypal. We have our own credit card processing here on site, we have no real need for paypal or their overpriced 3% charges.[/QUOTE]

A credit card processing machine, POS (point of sale) machine will charge you an amount as well. Sometimes up to 3%, and sometimes that's coupled with a flat per-item charge of $.05-$.50 per transaction. So in essence you can wind up losing money by using the machine. Either way you're going to pay for accepting credit cards. You will also pay for accepting debit cards, just not as much.

None of this has to do with the dragon deal at hand!! I couldn't care less what she did before this thread was started unless it has to do with Heidi and Wendy. There are so many judgmental people on here and it is ridiculous. Is Wendy the only person on here that has gone to jail??? I don't think so! Aryan Nation, former porn star, criminal, NONE OF WHICH has anything to do with the fact that Heidi and Gary have taken a turn at being criminals. Wether they see it that way or not, thats the way it looks on this thread when you read thru it. I think this thread is done since it has been nothing but nonsense and babble since the last time Gary was here and said he would see what the people think "they" should do. Well he has yet to return with his answer. Everyday that passes without an answer is a few more post saying the same thing, refund, and still nothing out of him or Heidi. I guess if he don't care or is just to stubborn to do the right thing then he chooses to let his business take a little hit with this thread. IMO if I sold someone dragons and they weren't happy and sent them back, even though I would be royally pissed I would have to send the money. Food for thought....

I agree that non of her personal past has anything to do with the matter at hand. Her personal career choices may not be kosher in some people's eyes, but that isn't a reason to condemn her for the transaction happening now.

While I still don't agree with everything that happened in this thread or the way either side handled it, I do believe that monies should be sent back. How much of that I'm not sure. I'm still on the fence about that, but I had been thinking that meeting half-way would help to quell this situation. I'm still leaning towards that amount seeing as how it was a case of buyers remorse.

Though the refund should have never been offered (as has been stated many times), it was offered, and therefore should be upheld. If you're going to be in the business with your spouse, you need to be on the same page. Offering a refund to later have your spouse retract it isn't sitting very well with most (if not all) people on this thread.

Business sometimes doesn't go the perfect way, and doesn't always set well for the seller, and sometimes you just have to chalk it up, eat your pride and give the buyer what they are wanting. I seriously doubt that some merchant stores want to take back merchandise (yes I know animals shouldn't be thought of as merchandise but in essence that's what they are, they are live merchandise), but they take back the merchandise and issue the buyer a refund, or in some cases a store credit. It's sometimes the price of doing business.

Heidi, I love some of your dragons and would still look into buying one from you the next time I purchase one. This thread hasn't soured me from doing business with you. I just hope that you try to work things out with Wendy so others can see that you are willing to make right, and keep your customers happy.
 
your real last name is 'iwanow.' Why are you using an alias? In my world only criminals do that.

Further, upon Googling your real name, I seem to notice that you are far more involved in the (pathetic) aryan nation drama than you readily admit.

You know what really kills me though-that racist jerk-off was embarassed to be in YOUR company at the Spokane airport.

How low does that make you?

GB

Another thing regarding your post; if you really wanted to see who Ms. Wendy Childs/Iwanow was you could have easily googled her like you say you did. Her married name was/is Childs, but her given name is Iwanow. She also has an alias for the movies that she did, as do most other porn stars.

Her involvement in unscrupulous activities (or not, I've no idea, nor is it my right to judge that) with "aryan nation drama" has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Therefore should not have been brought up in the first place.

If everyone was judged by their past PERSONAL activities before they did business, then not a whole lot of people would have business transactions transpire. I don't know a lot of people who can say that they're perfect in their personal lives, so does that mean I shouldn't do business with them? I don't know what my dragon's breeder does when she's not at the shop she owns, so because she might have an unscrupulous past, I guess that means that I shouldn't have done business with her in the first place. Heck, no one knows what you do in your personal life, so no one should do business with you, right? That's the logic you're portraying in your post. Not very sensible in my opinion.
 
"Childs" IS MY LEGAL NAME. I am divorced, but I kept my married name.

Our CC processor charges .5 cents per transaction and .05% fee for a basic credit card transaction, it fluctuates based on the type of card, etc. The highest is Amex at almost 1%, but nowere near the rediculous 3% pay pal charges.

We do have a new email attatched to our store [email protected]. We are trying to phase out the old email, BUT any ads on kingsnake selling or buying, our account is linked to [email protected], It has been that was for 7-8 years. That can not be changed until our next renewel, and that is still over a year out.

Heidi made a post on her Rankins ad here in the classifieds section yesterday, it is clar that she has no intrention of refunding me a dime.

They are criminals now too!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138663
 
I found it interesting that she had listed that she only had "4 left", someone replied that when she sends theres they want another, I had someone email her and at first she only offer the same 2 as on her site. But after further pressing her, she sent pics of 6 available.

GUESS WHOS PHOTOGRAPHED? And available for sale? The baby I SENT back, and they has been paid for once already.

And now all the sudden there are Parent pics too. After Gary admitted that there are only "probable" parents pictures on some site. The email makes it seem they are definate parents.

How do I do a screen shot of this email with the pics on it??
 
Someone here is helping me with the "screen shot" I only have photoshop and it doesnt seem to control v it there, so it will be a minute.

But meanwhile- Emailed Photos- Claiming that this is now the "mother"- VERY ODVIOUS that this is a "Drankin", the reduced faded pattern, The tear drop shaped head, a the "beard and Jowels"!!!!!!!!!!!

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I found it interesting that she had listed that she only had "4 left", someone replied that when she sends theres they want another, I had someone email her and at first she only offer the same 2 as on her site. But after further pressing her, she sent pics of 6 available.

GUESS WHOS PHOTOGRAPHED? And available for sale? The baby I SENT back, and they has been paid for once already.

And now all the sudden there are Parent pics too. After Gary admitted that there are only "probable" parents pictures on some site. The email makes it seem they are definate parents.

How do I do a screen shot of this email with the pics on it??

Wendy, this is all hearsay until you can back it up. Anyway posting emails and pictures shouldn't be too difficult. I can't look back now but didn't you already post pics? You need to upload them into a pic folder on fauna and attach them into your post here. (the little mountain icon above).
 
I forgot to mention that I am assuming that female is gravid, although I have never seen a gravid Rankin become that round in body.

Now, here is the "Father" EMAILED PHOTOS: The "Father" Looks more like a rankin than the mother. The actual rankin pattern and color exists, although this guy still displays some "jowels", his head shape is correct, more round than tear drop. However this does not appear to be an adult, but appears to be a sub adult.

I would like to know how they decided that they actually KNOW who the parents are now???

Let me quote Gary- "they had come from and pictures of the probable parents and possibly grandparents of the ones I got. I bred the ones I got and sold the offspring, one of them is this youngster." "She also said “I never received parent pictures” She gave us very little time to give her pics, I do have a life other then this one transaction. ( parents are posted on http://www.rankinsdragons.com ) "

So where do these pictures come from? With so much talk about the importation, you BOUGHT from the guys who imported them, you were NOT in on the deal for the import. AND, the trail stops in the U.K. with a guy named Wilco. Never anyone in the Netherlands. So if the actual importer is not able to produce parent pictures, how is it gary can? The importer isnt even sure if he sold Gary related rankins or unrelated. Gary are you claiming that these pictures are the Rankins the actual importer sold you? And are you claiming in this minimal time that you breed them, hatched them, grew them out, and are selling the off spring?

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From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Rankens
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:53 PM


I have them listed in the webstore also http://www.shopcalientedragons.com

Let me know if you have any questions.. Heidi

From: XXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:11 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Rankens



are thies the only two you have. and do you know the sex of them? thanks.


From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Rankens
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:12 PM


They are really hard to sex, I can do my best to guess...
I do have more, how many are you looking for?

Heidi

On Thu, 7/30/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:


From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Rankens
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:43 PM

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OK here is what I have ready to go right now..
These are all "probable sexes" this is what they look like now...

Male 1

Male 2

Female A

Female B

Female C

Female D

Dad

Mom

5 of them would be $800 shipped.

If your planning to breed them you may want to get unrelated males, I do have some unrelated ones that will be ready in about a week or 2..
Let me know if you have any more questions..
 
I found it interesting that she had listed that she only had "4 left", someone replied that when she sends theres they want another, I had someone email her and at first she only offer the same 2 as on her site. But after further pressing her, she sent pics of 6 available.

GUESS WHOS PHOTOGRAPHED? And available for sale? The baby I SENT back, and they has been paid for once already.

And now all the sudden there are Parent pics too. After Gary admitted that there are only "probable" parents pictures on some site. The email makes it seem they are definate parents.

The plot thickens as this story unfolds. :)
 
Pics of babies available that were emailed- R2 is the baby we bought and returned. I wish my photos when from the same angle so the tails would be more clear, but the back pattern is exact.

I would like to point out that most of these pics show their "jowels" without them even gaping. R1 and Rc clarly have jowels.

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http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/rd.bmp
 
I'm not sure it's wise to start posting photos that do not belong to you, Wendy. Regardless of the situation, you likely do not have permission.

Everyone knows the storyline by now ... more posters than not have expressed that you are due a refund. IMO you just make yourself look worse and worse by continuing the drama, smear-tactics and bait emails. We get it.
 
Heidi,
This was not buyers remorse.
This was a buyer who returned the animals because they were not what she paid for.
Refusing to refund the money when you have the animals back in your posession and now up for sale again is wrong.
First you said you would issue a refund. Then you changed your mind.
First you said the returned animals would be auctioned for charity and now you are selling them for profit.

YOU are coming off looking even worse than Wendy/Jeanne.

Refund your customers money.

Right now it appears that you cannot be trusted.
 
The emails I recieved where forwarded to me with permission to post them.

I felt she was going to resell them again, and I was right. I just needed to prove it. I felt it was important.
 
Later today I am going to post pics of the 7 baby rankins I purchased from someone else. So everyone can see the difference in head and neck structure.

Now I have to get ready for work.
 
I'm not sure it's wise to start posting photos that do not belong to you, Wendy. Regardless of the situation, you likely do not have permission.

Everyone knows the storyline by now ... more posters than not have expressed that you are due a refund. IMO you just make yourself look worse and worse by continuing the drama, smear-tactics and bait emails. We get it.

People post screen shots of websites and pictures pretty regularly on here. If it's further proof of dishonest actions and is relevant to the discussion, then I think most would have no problem with it.
 
Her involvement in unscrupulous activities (or not, I've no idea, nor is it my right to judge that) with "aryan nation drama" has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Therefore should not have been brought up in the first place.
I agree that her past or present behavior should have no bearing in this particular situation. However, it does. I understand why Heidi and Gary are dragging their feet here. They do not want this person who is still lying about her past and is still clearly dishonest to win. I don't either. But since Heidi and Gary have the dragons back, some refund is in order. Heidi and Gary, refund her the cost of the dragons just to put yourselves back on the side of right. Be bigger than that impulse to stubbornly cling to the idea that she is a bad person and therefore does not deserve to win. You will win by being the bigger person(s). I think you two are good people, but I would be hesitant to deal with you if you don't do what is right here. I agree with Lucille in that I wouldn't want to take the risk that you will develop a bad opinion of me and act on pettiness rather than on what is right.

If everyone was judged by their past PERSONAL activities before they did business, then not a whole lot of people would have business transactions transpire. I don't know a lot of people who can say that they're perfect in their personal lives, so does that mean I shouldn't do business with them? I don't know what my dragon's breeder does when she's not at the shop she owns, so because she might have an unscrupulous past, I guess that means that I shouldn't have done business with her in the first place. Heck, no one knows what you do in your personal life, so no one should do business with you, right? That's the logic you're portraying in your post. Not very sensible in my opinion.
I do not agree with this statement. Wendy is still clearly lying about her involvement with Aryan nations, and about her past business dealings. Whats more, she is not helping her image in this thread with the childishness and pettiness that she is engaging in here. She has a history of changing her mind or placing blame for deals that went south on anyone else but herself. While Heidi did misrepresent these lizards to some degree, Wendy did not look closely enough into the background of these animals or scrutinized the ad as she seems to clearly be capable of here. She is guilty of buyer's remorse. This leopard has not changed her stripes, and I will NEVER deal with her. I try very hard to be open and honest about who I am, and try to be consistent with who I am, regardless of the situation. I expect people that I deal with to do the same.
 
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