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Info US GLOBAL EXOTICS SPCA RAID

I agree with Ritch. I'm pretty sure that a lot of these animals will die because of the ignorant people caring for them. They will probably try to pin these deaths on Jasen as well.

I am a rescue person here in Texas and we are all on the edges of our seats, waiting to see how this plays out because we will likely be the ones to shoulder the fallout if the court rules against Jasen. I have read both sides of the arguments here and can only determine that I still don't know enough to feel sure about who is right or wrong. But I do know Tim Cole, and Tim has already told you all that the Dallas Herp Society has been consulted from the beginning on this. Some animals will die because of the stress and the fact that most are probably wc. Those are hard enough to acclimate without such a serious upheaval. But I do think that some disservice is being done to DHS if we keep speculating that there are no experienced herp people involved. Whether you think Jasen was wrong or the SPCA was wrong, please consider that there are educated herp people and exotics vets who are directly involved in the care of these animals. ;)
 
Whatever the final outcome, a lot of animals will die to fulfill some peoples political agendas, reputations will be smeared and ruined and people will have to spend thousands of dollars to defend themselves.
 
I am a rescue person here in Texas and we are all on the edges of our seats, waiting to see how this plays out because we will likely be the ones to shoulder the fallout if the court rules against Jasen. I have read both sides of the arguments here and can only determine that I still don't know enough to feel sure about who is right or wrong. But I do know Tim Cole, and Tim has already told you all that the Dallas Herp Society has been consulted from the beginning on this. Some animals will die because of the stress and the fact that most are probably wc. Those are hard enough to acclimate without such a serious upheaval. But I do think that some disservice is being done to DHS if we keep speculating that there are no experienced herp people involved. Whether you think Jasen was wrong or the SPCA was wrong, please consider that there are educated herp people and exotics vets who are directly involved in the care of these animals. ;)

My thoughts also.
 
I am a rescue person here in Texas and we are all on the edges of our seats, waiting to see how this plays out because we will likely be the ones to shoulder the fallout if the court rules against Jasen. I have read both sides of the arguments here and can only determine that I still don't know enough to feel sure about who is right or wrong. But I do know Tim Cole, and Tim has already told you all that the Dallas Herp Society has been consulted from the beginning on this. Some animals will die because of the stress and the fact that most are probably wc. Those are hard enough to acclimate without such a serious upheaval. But I do think that some disservice is being done to DHS if we keep speculating that there are no experienced herp people involved. Whether you think Jasen was wrong or the SPCA was wrong, please consider that there are educated herp people and exotics vets who are directly involved in the care of these animals.


Where were all of these very qualified people while those animals sat for hours in an unheated trailer ?
 
As I understand it, DHS did not have a part in the removal of the animals, but perhaps Tim can comment on that. But they are advising on husbandry.
 
As I understand it, DHS did not have a part in the removal of the animals, but perhaps Tim can comment on that. But they are advising on husbandry.


A rhetorical question. Wouldn't the time for these people to learn about the husbandry of the confiscated animals be BEFORE the raid? Someone worked as an insider, and knew everything about the conditions the animals were in, but never thought to get a list of what was there out to the people who would ultimately be caring for them after the raid? Some investigation!

This reminds me of those every-once-in-a-while occurrences where someone swings by the chat room and announces that they have just rescued an animal from certain death. They are keeping it in substandard conditions, and offering the wrong foods and wondering why they can't get their new acquisition to eat. Are they doing the animal any favors?
 
Most snakes are SUPPOSED to go weeks without eating! Overfeeding can kill them & I would string up anybody who feed something before shipping to me :bandhead0:bandhead0:bandhead0:bandhead0

And it doesn't take long at all to bag a snake, swap out a liner,wipe a tub down, swap out water dishes and put the snake back in with a rodent. Lazy sack of unmentionable unethical slime deserves to get hog tied over a fire ant hill.
 
If PETA is involved in this... it wouldnt surprise me in the least that they paid their person NOT TO do their job. The main guy has been recorded saying that he approves of folks blowing up stuff to get their point across. (Reptile Radio played a copy of it where he was testifying before congress on the current round of bills we are facing... he claimed he didnt do it... but he supported it.)

PETA is nothing more than an extremest group that needs to be shut down by the gov.
 
To everyone who is defending the wholesalers in question. Why would wholesaling being put to an end in the reptile industry necessarily be a bad thing? When people complain about wc animals and the impact on the environment do they not realize that a lot of wholesaled animals are wc? The prices on many reptiles would not be as low as they are today if not for wholesalers. Also, people who cannot properly care for reptiles would not have as easy of access to the reptiles. Petco obviously buys from a wholesaler, and they sell animals to just about anyone without proper education on the animal. This leads to animals being abused and to craigslist ads and also to people releasing reptiles which contributed to the Florida situation. Also, to those arguing about things not on the topic of this thread, is that not why the BOI may be getting shut down? Just leave the thread on topic and start a new one.
 
peta is a extremist terror minded orginazation with totalitarian agendas aimed at you and me the animal keeper.The problem is mothers and old ladys have sent them money for years thinking they were saveing a puppy from a gas chamber.In reality they were financing savage raids on private property and the bank rolling of a powerhouse of politicol demise for us all.We do not pay employs to wreck there facilities and our mind set has only been to keep our snakes.This is a proactive foe with yours and my end in mind.This is only the tip we have yet to receive the shaft.
 
Mr. Bell
And anyone else who keeps refering to the Florida situation.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO THE EVERGLADES AND RELEASING THEIR PETS.
It was originally a "theory", and has been disproved. The burms are all genetically related. Now due to recent media coverage, the "idea" of releasing snakes has been brougt to the publics attention, thus now I wouldn't be surprised if due to the media coverage and the false assumption that they are being released, leads to the idea for someone to do so.
Please when talking about the problem in the everglades, always mention it is 100% due to storms on poorly regulated road side tourist traps. We have to word it right or they will assume people are releasing burms.
 
Zoo employee testifies that he never saw animals mistreated at Arlington business

ARLINGTON — A Fort Worth Zoo employee who bought and sold animals for himself at U.S. Global Exotics testified Tuesday that he never saw animals being mistreated at the north Arlington business.

Mike Doss, who was not representing the zoo, disputed the testimony of witnesses for Arlington that the business improperly housed animals and denied them food, water and veterinarian care.

The owners of U.S. Global, an Internet-based exotic-animal wholesaler, are trying to regain custody of more than 26,000 animals seized by the city Dec. 15 during an animal cruelty investigation. Tuesday was the fifth day of the custody hearing before Municipal Judge Michael Smith.

"I was impressed," Doss said of what he saw during regular visits to the business since 2006 to buy animals or sell those he had raised at home.

"They obviously invested a lot of money in their caging systems and how they took care of their animals."

Doss, who cares for coldblooded land animals at the zoo, said there are several plausible reasons why some of the snakes, lizards and turtles seized from the business appeared emaciated or sick. Most animals caught in the wild are not screened for illnesses or parasites before they are shipped to distributors, and the travel itself or exposure to a new environment can affect animals’ appetites, he said.

He concurred with testimony from U.S. Global employees that it is not unusual or inhumane to force hibernation for certain animals, such as lizards and turtles, by keeping them in low temperatures or to not feed animals before shipping so they don’t bloat or regurgitate during transport.

'I thought it was horrible’

City investigators have testified that some animals were not fed for weeks at a time and that the company did not have enough food to care for the number of animals in stock.

Doss said he is also concerned about whether animal welfare officers harmed some of the temperature-sensitive animals during the raid, which occurred on a day that the high temperature was 44.

"I thought it was horrible to drag coldblooded animals out of a warm building on such a cold day," Doss said. "The shock of the temperature change could have killed them alone."

More than 1,000 animals have died since the seizure, but animal welfare workers attribute those deaths to the effects of neglect at the business, not the move. City attorneys said the vehicles used to take the animals to their temporary home were climate-controlled.

Doss testified that some of the conditions shown in photographs and videos during the hearing did appear to be inhumane or inappropriate, including photos of hundreds of baby turtles being stored in boxes, hundreds of iguanas that died after being left in shipping crates without food or water for two weeks, and footage of an employee shaking tree frogs out of the narrow opening of a plastic soft drink bottle. Doss said he does not condone U.S. Global’s method of euthanizing animals by placing them in a freezer to die.

However, Doss said, he was concerned that some of the situations might have been staged by former employee Howard Goldman, who took some of the photos.

A 911 call

Goldman, the city’s key witness, testified last week that PETA had asked him to apply for a job at U.S. Global Exotics to investigate conditions there.

PETA paid Goldman $135 for each day he turned in a report while working as a snake caretaker for seven months.

Doss said he discovered during a visit that Goldman had mislabeled some snakes as indigo snakes, an incident he now finds suspicious because those are an endangered species that U.S. Global does not have a permit to have.

Attorneys for U.S. Global Exotics were admonished Tuesday by the judge for trying to have Goldman arrested.

A private investigator apparently working for attorney Lance Evans called 911 on Monday from court to report that Goldman had admitted under oath that he was operating as a private investigator without a license, a violation of state law. Officers arrived at the court to investigate, but Goldman was not arrested.

Evans, who represents U.S. Global owners Jasen and Vanessa Shaw, declined to comment about the incident.

Linda Frank, an attorney for Arlington, said she was disappointed that U.S. Global’s attorneys would try to have a witness arrested to gain an edge during the civil hearing.

Smith is expected to decide custody of the animals, mostly reptiles, as soon as Thursday.

http://www.star-telegram.com/local/story/1858995.html
 
albinoball-

I don't like my neighbors at all and the person they bought their dog from is scum. I think the world would be a better place without either of them.

I would not however stand by and let their rights be violated if they were set up.

As for the other remarks about wholesalers in general - If you start a thread in one of the more appropriate discussion forums pm me a link and I'd be happy to join you there & discuss it.
 
To everyone who is defending the wholesalers in question. Why would wholesaling being put to an end in the reptile industry necessarily be a bad thing? When people complain about wc animals and the impact on the environment do they not realize that a lot of wholesaled animals are wc? The prices on many reptiles would not be as low as they are today if not for wholesalers. Also, people who cannot properly care for reptiles would not have as easy of access to the reptiles. Petco obviously buys from a wholesaler, and they sell animals to just about anyone without proper education on the animal. This leads to animals being abused and to craigslist ads and also to people releasing reptiles which contributed to the Florida situation. Also, to those arguing about things not on the topic of this thread, is that not why the BOI may be getting shut down? Just leave the thread on topic and start a new one.

People also buy puppies and kittens without proper knowledge, and abuse them and put them on craigslist just like they do with reptiles. The problem is not the wholesalers, it's the customers. If we didn't have all these dumb customers to deal with all the time, our lives would be so much easier :reddevil::reddevil::reddevil:
 
Mr. Bell
And anyone else who keeps refering to the Florida situation.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO THE EVERGLADES AND RELEASING THEIR PETS.
It was originally a "theory", and has been disproved. The burms are all genetically related. Now due to recent media coverage, the "idea" of releasing snakes has been brougt to the publics attention, thus now I wouldn't be surprised if due to the media coverage and the false assumption that they are being released, leads to the idea for someone to do so.
Please when talking about the problem in the everglades, always mention it is 100% due to storms on poorly regulated road side tourist traps. We have to word it right or they will assume people are releasing burms.


And that storm was hurricane Andrew. If restoration is what they want they what about the cichlids that have taken over?
 
And that storm was hurricane Andrew. If restoration is what they want they what about the cichlids that have taken over?

Hey now!!! They're already after my snakes, I don't want the government all up in my water based tanks as well!

Florida is attempting to usurp the rights of every other state in the whole country. Floridian government is an invasive species in and of it's self.
 
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