Bad Guy Ed Clark, again

[Ed Clark]

I Think in the interest of the female's health you should keep her and not ship her back in this cold weather. I will send you a male black pastel as soon as we get a decent shipping day to you.


So what I'm saying is you keep everything that you have and I will send another black pastel to you. you will send $50.00 after you recieve the new ball python from me.

The female black pastel that you have is worth $600.00 and are hard to get at that size.

This is a very limited offer.

you jumped the gun by posting this bad guy thread, it was not necessary...all you had to do was be a little patient till I could respond to you.

I have terms in place for a reason and that's to spell out what I will do if a problem arises.

Your BP coming up with a URI because of cold weather shipping under 40* F is unfortunate. you agreeing to have it shipped in cold weather below 40*F is a risk you take.

You deciding to take it to a vet and run up a huge vet bill and expecting me to pay your vet bill is unreasonable to say the least.

I have no problem doing whatever it takes to get you the correct sexed BP as what you paid for. I will stick to what are in my terms on this as expected.

I made you a very generous offer.......tick tock.

 

[ozz465]

Great to hear ed is gone to make things right . very generous thing to do .

 

[spyder79]

Offer has been graciously accepted. Thank you Ed for your more than generous resolution.
And thank you to everyone that helped in some form to come to this end.

what exactly are you waiting on that you are tick tocking for? Just wondering as the OP accepted the offer.

 

[ozz465]

what exactly are you waiting on that you are tick tocking for? Just wondering as the OP accepted the offer.

Maybe he dint see her post?

 

[Ed Clark]

Maybe he dint see her post?

....

 

[spyder79]

lol good to go

 

[Otter_23]

This is a very limited offer.

you jumped the gun by posting this bad guy thread, it was not necessary...all you had to do was be a little patient till I could respond to you.

I have terms in place for a reason and that's to spell out what I will do if a problem arises.

Your BP coming up with a URI because of cold weather shipping under 40* F is unfortunate. you agreeing to have it shipped in cold weather below 40*F is a risk you take.

You deciding to take it to a vet and run up a huge vet bill and expecting me to pay your vet bill is unreasonable to say the least.

I have no problem doing whatever it takes to get you the correct sexed BP as what you paid for. I will stick to what are in my terms on this as expected.

I made you a very generous offer.......tick tock.

You know Ed this is why I choose to never do business with you. You come across as an expert yet take no responsibility for shipping in those conditions even though you have way more experience in this hobby still pass the buck as that is the risk you take.
Since she doesn't have the experience you have how is she to know what to do with a sick snake other than to take it to a vet, not everyone treats their own animals they don't have the experience you have. Had you replied to her earlier you probably could have saved her some money and communicated with her about what the appropriate steps (according to you ) should have been.
You make it sound as if it is common occurance for all snakes to have internal parasites. Is it Ed?
With your wealth of knowledge and many years of experience you shipped in temps that you should have never shipped in regardless of what the customers wants (in this case she didn't even insist and you never questioned the temps). You miss sexed your snake and they had internal parasites. Yet you still accept very little if any responsibility. One wonders what the outcome would be if this thread had not been brought up. You have a history of bullying inexperienced customers when they have questions or concerns and I still seeing you do that, tick tock.

 

[kmarsh]

Ok I have watched this tennis match go back and forth and had hoped that since the buyer and seller had reached a agreement that this was the end of it. I really wish that when that happens, that a solution has been reached, the post could be locked at that point. Everything after that just seems to start more wars. I am glad that the two reached a agreement then this post comes in and just makes a bad taste over it all again. I know neither party other than what I see on this site. Have never purchased from Mr. Moore and other than him giving me a reprimand once before have had no contact with him. So just based on what was written here, I will respond to Otter 23's post.
This problem should have been handled between the two parties and what all the rest of us think or speculate is just that speculation and opinions. Since you went on the attack of Mr. Moore let me remind You of a few things. It is obvious if you read this whole thing that the buyer isn't just someone that just bought her first snake. She knows morphs and pastels, willing to pay 300.00 for a snake to breed, weights in grams, and this particular parasite. Yet she doesn't know the temp outside is too cold for a snake to be shipped in? She is about to begin a breeding project yet has failed to even think on shipping temps to get the snake safely to her? I think not. I think both thought it would be ok and he took what he thought would be enough protection with the heat packs and both did the deed.
That's why I kept quiet and watched this play out. Both had parts in it, both took responsibility and both reached a reasonable solution. Also as with most on here, I felt it was a very nice offer from Mr. Moore and was glad for the lady that she got a good deal in the end. All of this has been addressed and explained between the parties so no need for rehashing. Why you choose to not do business with Mr. Moore and all the rest is just to be hurtful and stir things up it seems.

 

[MikeCurtin]

Kevin, the reason this thread shouldn't be locked is because the next time someone receives a half-frozen animal because Mr. Clark OFFERS to ship out on a day when the HIGH doesn't break the freezing mark, that person would have to start a whole new thread.

Is there any breeder or dealer here (other than Ed) that would ship in those temps without addressing the risks? Furthermore, is there anyone here that's been doing this as long as Ed that doesn't know heat packs FAIL below freezing?

Way to go Ed.....great customer service!

 

[DAND]

I'm guessing she will be having to take the "new male" to the vet too for sex verification as well as internal parasite check and most likely treatment there of. I'm sure there will be a day when the temps are low enough for ed to ship her this one.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Ok I have watched this tennis match go back and forth and had hoped that since the buyer and seller had reached a agreement that this was the end of it. I really wish that when that happens, that a solution has been reached, the post could be locked at that point. Everything after that just seems to start more wars. I am glad that the two reached a agreement then this post comes in and just makes a bad taste over it all again. I know neither party other than what I see on this site. Have never purchased from Mr. Moore and other than him giving me a reprimand once before have had no contact with him. So just based on what was written here, I will respond to Otter 23's post.
This problem should have been handled between the two parties and what all the rest of us think or speculate is just that speculation and opinions. Since you went on the attack of Mr. Moore let me remind You of a few things. It is obvious if you read this whole thing that the buyer isn't just someone that just bought her first snake. She knows morphs and pastels, willing to pay 300.00 for a snake to breed, weights in grams, and this particular parasite. Yet she doesn't know the temp outside is too cold for a snake to be shipped in? She is about to begin a breeding project yet has failed to even think on shipping temps to get the snake safely to her? I think not. I think both thought it would be ok and he took what he thought would be enough protection with the heat packs and both did the deed.
That's why I kept quiet and watched this play out. Both had parts in it, both took responsibility and both reached a reasonable solution. Also as with most on here, I felt it was a very nice offer from Mr. Moore and was glad for the lady that she got a good deal in the end. All of this has been addressed and explained between the parties so no need for rehashing. Why you choose to not do business with Mr. Moore and all the rest is just to be hurtful and stir things up it seems.

When did Rich make YOU a moderator?

 

[PAVLOVK1025]

All Im gonna say is that many breeders ship year round if the proper preparations are taken. 3/4" insulation and proper heat packs are a must. So I dont understand why everyone is tripping about shipping temps. I personally wont ship below 30 degrees on either end.

 

[Otter_23]

I am going to assume you are talking about Mr. Clark, I have no idea who Mr. Moore is. Duly noted. This will be my last comment on this thread (unless asked specific question).

I have been around for awhile and have seen a lot of stuff that goes on. I have seen how breeders handle their business. I have seen good guys go bad and many people lose much more than money. I feel it is necessary to point out red flags and tendencies when they are less than stellar. There have been more than one incidents with this individual and I have seen him flat out lie and bully those that have not been around much. There is a lot of money in this business which attracts of lot of less than desirable characters who want to make a quick buck off the uninformed, it seems easier to do when dealing with morphs etc... In order to keep this industry as safe for new hobbiest, breeders or just pet owners we have to keep a certain level of integrity, honesty etc... I guess for the industry I prefer a higher level of standard.

 

[PAVLOVK1025]

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showpost.php?p=443485&postcount=6
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showpost.php?p=933987&postcount=1

 

[DAND]

You are only as good as your reputation.

In this thread alone you have an animal improperly sexed, shipped in less then ideal conditions (and I don't care how many people do it, it is wrong), internal parasites and the inability to stand up like a man and admit to making a mistake of not informing the customer of the risks of shipping in such less than ideal conditions and in turn laying the blame on the buyer.

Now we have the offer to replace to improperly sexed male with another (hopefully properly sexed) male for a mere $50 dollars (are we going to wait for warmer weather this time or have we not learned from our previous mistake?) which will too have to have a trip to the vet to verify the sex and to check for internal parasites and more than likely treatment for. If he waits for warmer weather this time we can scratch off the treatment for URI for this vet visit.

That seems a lot of work to get the snake you are in search of and is obviously the risk you will take in dealing with Ed Clark. Is it really worth the headache(s)?

 

[spyder79]

Come on people the OP and the seller have come to a amicable resolution. So lets leave it alone. If Ed doesnt come through on his end of the deal then your comments will be warranted but by the terms of the BOI this bad guy post has been resolved. So why beat a dead horse.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Dand... your right.... You are only as good as your reputation.

With Ed's offer to send a replacement male for only $50 shipped once the weather got warmer I thought he was working towards repairing his rep on here. Considering what I have seen on other threads.

Then he posts his tick toc message. So much for my theory. In my eye's that dropped him right back down to where he was. Especially since just 4 mins prior the OP had publically accepted his offer.

Personally.... I think the temps should have been addressed before shipping. Sexing mistakes do happen (have happend to me), and unless your going to test every animal how are you going to know about internal parasites.... especially if those animals are wild caught.

 

[rusticreptiles]

I really wanted to leave this alone, Ed and I have come to an agreement.
DAND, there will be sexing performed within 24 hours after I receive the snake and Ed has agreed to give me this timeframe before I paypal him the money.
We have both agreed to wait until the weather is much warmer (It was mentioned in the email I posted from him). True, it may or may not have parasites, but I am willing to test and treat that. I have tested all my animals stools, and will continue to do so as part of my quarantine procedures. If there are any other issues with the new snake, I will first discuss them with Ed and give him the chance to resolve them. If that doesn't work, I'm sure we'll be back. I do want to give him the chance to make this right though.
I understand if others have gripes with him, but lets leave this thread alone, so "BAD GUY ED CLARK" isn't the first thing people see when they log onto the forums.
I'm perfectly willing to discuss anything further with anyone privately. Just send me a PM, and I'll be happy to reply.

 

[dragonluver83]

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In this thread alone you have an animal improperly sexed, shipped in less then ideal conditions (and I don't care how many people do it, it is wrong), internal parasites and the inability to stand up like a man and admit to making a mistake of not informing the customer of the risks of shipping in such less than ideal conditions and in turn laying the blame on the buyer.

Now we have the offer to replace to improperly sexed male with another (hopefully properly sexed) male for a mere $50 dollars (are we going to wait for warmer weather this time or have we not learned from our previous mistake?) which will too have to have a trip to the vet to verify the sex and to check for internal parasites and more than likely treatment for. If he waits for warmer weather this time we can scratch off the treatment for URI for this vet visit.

That seems a lot of work to get the snake you are in search of and is obviously the risk you will take in dealing with Ed Clark. Is it really worth the headache(s)?

All Eds post Guarantee sex with all the diff. animals he sells. Maybe he cant see that good, i dunno. maybe he cant sex them that good, i dunno. After the years he's been in the buss i think he just cant see that well and the fact that he gives you a 30 day guarantee for a mis-sexed is pretty damn good. most people dont even offer a guarantee for that long. And lets not forget the buyer does have some obligations when buying the animal. The buyer should be somewhat responsible when it comes to shipping temps. They live in that area, and if they know its that cold maybe something should have been said on Nicole's part. But there was clearly no communication with shipping other than Can i have him/her now? Sure! But Ed def. should of knew alittle better being in the trade.
Well Ed's the type of person to never admitting to fault, or taking blame. It's just Ed. an when it comes to blame he just side steps it and doesnt remark. Some one posted three times about him not taking blame and there was no answer. but hey what can you do. Brake your fingers typing the same thing?
The fact that Ed is going to let her keep the snake and send a male out for what, shipping cost? Thats a good deal, for all the b.s. Especially coming from Ed. But i say if he's saving face let him. Put out the torches and put the pitch forks away. and let them work out there transactions. But seriously, what the hell was the tick tock crap???

I really wanted to leave this alone, Ed and I have come to an agreement.
DAND, there will be sexing performed within 24 hours after I receive the snake and Ed has agreed to give me this timeframe before I paypal him the money.
We have both agreed to wait until the weather is much warmer (It was mentioned in the email I posted from him). True, it may or may not have parasites, but I am willing to test and treat that. I have tested all my animals stools, and will continue to do so as part of my quarantine procedures. If there are any other issues with the new snake, I will first discuss them with Ed and give him the chance to resolve them. If that doesn't work, I'm sure we'll be back. I do want to give him the chance to make this right though.
I understand if others have gripes with him, but lets leave this thread alone, so "BAD GUY ED CLARK" isn't the first thing people see when they log onto the forums.
I'm perfectly willing to discuss anything further with anyone privately. Just send me a PM, and I'll be happy to reply.

... Maybe it was jumping the gun, maybe it wasnt! if you didnt come to the b.o.i. you may still be waiting for a reply!

 

[illbeyoursoldier]

Ok I have watched this tennis match go back and forth and had hoped that since the buyer and seller had reached a agreement that this was the end of it. I really wish that when that happens, that a solution has been reached, the post could be locked at that point. Everything after that just seems to start more wars. I am glad that the two reached a agreement then this post comes in and just makes a bad taste over it all again. I know neither party other than what I see on this site. Have never purchased from Mr. Moore and other than him giving me a reprimand once before have had no contact with him. So just based on what was written here, I will respond to Otter 23's post.
This problem should have been handled between the two parties and what all the rest of us think or speculate is just that speculation and opinions. Since you went on the attack of Mr. Moore let me remind You of a few things. It is obvious if you read this whole thing that the buyer isn't just someone that just bought her first snake. She knows morphs and pastels, willing to pay 300.00 for a snake to breed, weights in grams, and this particular parasite. Yet she doesn't know the temp outside is too cold for a snake to be shipped in? She is about to begin a breeding project yet has failed to even think on shipping temps to get the snake safely to her? I think not. I think both thought it would be ok and he took what he thought would be enough protection with the heat packs and both did the deed.
That's why I kept quiet and watched this play out. Both had parts in it, both took responsibility and both reached a reasonable solution. Also as with most on here, I felt it was a very nice offer from Mr. Moore and was glad for the lady that she got a good deal in the end. All of this has been addressed and explained between the parties so no need for rehashing. Why you choose to not do business with Mr. Moore and all the rest is just to be hurtful and stir things up it seems.

Assuming you mean Mr. Clark by Mr. Moore, I agree fully!