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Zack Foong

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I really don't know what to put for the prefix, as i don't really wanna call them bad either, i never had the thought of even puttin them into the board of inquiry.. I'm kinda forced to as they are not replying my e-mails. I'm just very dissapointed with this matter.

On the 17th of October 2009, i inquired some dragons from Bloodbankdragons (Barry) and his wife (Kisa), they were extremely friendly towards me and it was great talking with them. I inquired a 1.0 Red Trans Italian Leatherback, 0.1 Red Probable double het italian leatherback, 0.1 Lemon Citrus Trans Italian Leatherback and a 0.1 Normal Double het italian leatherback.

I was really happy with what i ordered, even had pictures with them as i inquired, lovely animals i had there. Everything that was left was the payment that wasn't made.. So we had e-mail conversations about the dragons, i asked him alot about genetics until the date of my export came, you see i'm from Malaysia, it's very far away from the States. As soon as everything was working well, i paid the amount that was stated for my group of beardies. Was anxiously waiting for them to arrive. As soon as they arrived, i went to check them out, my 0.1 Double Het Leather and my Lemon citrus trans were perfectly alright, the problem was my Red Trans Italian Leatherback and my Red Double Het Leatherback.. According to barry the dragons were 12" each.. And in the pictures they were RED.. My Red Trans Italian leather ( he passed away 2 weeks after he arrived) came orange and my red double het came as a citrus.. ( she still is that colour until now)
Before sending an e-mail to Barry i thought they would need some time to settle down before their colours started comming in.. After a week of eating and basking, the females colour was still yellow and the male was orange.. The male wasn't doing so well either.. So i decided to e-mail Barry, i showed him pictures of my dragons and i also asked him what he could do with them. Here's the e-mail that he sent to me...

RE: Bearded Dragons outstanding situation‏
From: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 4 Dec, 2009 2: 05 PM
To: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
Zack,
We have no problem exchanging the dragons that you are not happy with. The problem that we are facing is getting them to you. As you know exporting is a larger expense. Steven the owner of Bloodbank would like to see pictures of the dragons that you received. Preferably not blurry so that we can see the patterns and colors clearly. He really wants to take care of this and make this right for you, as we know that you put in a lot of time and money to this export and purchase. We are sorry that you did not get what you were looking to get and for all of the inconvenience involved.
Could you please email us new pictures of the two that you do not like so that Steven can see where things got mixed up? Thank you so much. We will talk to you soon.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Bearded Dragons outstanding situation
From: Foong I-Zhec <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, December 03, 2009 7:32 pm
To: <[email protected]>

Dear Barry and Kisa

I haven't heard from anyone of you since my last correspondence more than a week ago.

Thanksgiving is already over and hope this issue will not drag on till Christmas.

Please give me an immediate reply to keep me updated on the situation.

This is truly frustrating as I really want these dragons that I chose and specially picked out from early October.

I trust that you will take this matter up seriously, as I have heard many good things about Bloodbank Dragons.

Looking forward to a positive reply, ASAP

RE: Bearded Dragons‏
From: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 2009 12: 28 AM
To: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
We can definitely send something new if there is another export going in. We just need to know their information to make sure we can have a few animals added.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.

They stated that yes they would replace them and i do understand that exporting them is a much larger expense, i understood them but i still wanted my right dragons.. There's really nothing i can do and it lies in their hands to do something for me.. There was no news about a shipment from US comming in until NOW, i finally could plan out a shipment from US and was thinking that bloodbankdragons could do something with my situation. I also do plan on getting new dragons from them. I haven't recieved a reply since sunday when i sent out my e-mail to them.. Iv'e tried reaching Barry and Steve and they haven't replied until today..

Honestly i hate to put their name here.. But i really don't know what else to do with my situation.. I'm just really dissapointed in the matter as my shipment date is comming up soon and i have yet to recieve a reply from them..

Thank You for reading

Zack
 
Do you have pictures of the dragons? Pics that you bought them based off of, and pictures after you received them?
 
Pics

Here they are, the male is about 12" with a much bigger body mass than the one sent.. The female from Red turns to yellow..

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The big one on the bottom is the male.

What arrived.
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DSC_0025-1.jpg

The female

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The one that arrived.

The female is still alright to me to be honest, what's a dissapointment is the male.. Inquired as 12" come as a 7".. I don't get how the mistake is made seriously..
 
i understand that this is just a wierd situation with u being outside of the US, but all i can give u is my situation with them, i bought a hypo trans back in early 08 i believe and about a year later the dragon died. i sent a picture to steven barnes of bloodbank and he still sent me another dragon even after all that time. i have now gotten out of beardies but i always will tell people that bloodbank dragons is very awesome to deal with. now with that said im sure u both can work somthing out. also their photographer does good work lol.
 
I have had dragons from bloodbanks and they were what I was looking for. My first translucent was from bbd and she was amazing! Sadly she got a parasite and passed aways couple months after I had her. I called up Steve asking if he had one that was similar. I was going to pay for her but Steve replaced her for free. He sent me a gorgouse hypo translucent female. I would love to buy another one but I'm in the process of buying a house. If you talk to Steve I'm sure you can work something out.
 
There is a vast difference in color and body composition. It is possible that they simply shipped the wrong dragons. Did you say that they will no longer respond to your emails? Have you informed this of this BOI post? I am PMing them a link to this so that we can here their side of the story on this.
 
Certainly there is a vast diffrence, yes i haven't recieved any replies from Steven or Barry or Kisa.. I agree that it's lovely to work with steven or barry, they're both really very friendly people.. That red trans leather was my 1st translucent too.. Iv'e e-mailed both Steve and Barry and none of them came back to me so far. Iv'e e-mailed them since last sunday ( which should be saturday in the States) and they haven't gotten back to me yet..

Thanks so much for all your replies.
 
Has any one notified Steve, Barry, or Kisa about this thread? I dont see him knowing about this thread and leaving it un-answered.
BUT with the above, It doesnt look like they even sent you the right dragon.
Another ?... When was your last e-mail from them? Did you miss this Export??? Considering they did AGREE to fix the problem, they definitely should of made sure that there was a animal shipped out so you received one on THIS export.
 
Has any one notified Steve, Barry, or Kisa about this thread? I dont see him knowing about this thread and leaving it un-answered.
BUT with the above, It doesnt look like they even sent you the right dragon.
Another ?... When was your last e-mail from them? Did you miss this Export??? Considering they did AGREE to fix the problem, they definitely should of made sure that there was a animal shipped out so you received one on THIS export.

I did when it was first posted.
They said they'd respond to it yesterday, but havent so far.......
 
Odd

I did when it was first posted.
They said they'd respond to it yesterday, but havent so far.......

Hum, I though they would be on here trying to square this up. Doesnt seem like its an issue to them. :nonod: Maybe its a new sales tactic. If they dont see it, it's not really there. :shrug01:
 
Well, heres what he/she emailed me after I told them........


sigh yes. this is a 15 year old kid...that originally asked for something SIMILAR to that larger red trans leather male. and he was sent something smaller but SIMILAR. no sizes were specified...he just wanted that to be the outcome. we sent him a super nice male. and like any customer, if they are not happy, we will replace them right away, if they are not satisfied and let us know within 24 hours.
thing is...he is in another country. Doesn't make it easy to replace and get back the original animals. and it doesn't help that it was 7 months ago. will request the current pics of them.
i will be posting a reply at sometime today :) Thanks for letting me know.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.
 
Well, heres what he/she emailed me after I told them........


sigh yes. this is a 15 year old kid...that originally asked for something SIMILAR to that larger red trans leather male. and he was sent something smaller but SIMILAR. no sizes were specified...he just wanted that to be the outcome. we sent him a super nice male. and like any customer, if they are not happy, we will replace them right away, if they are not satisfied and let us know within 24 hours.
thing is...he is in another country. Doesn't make it easy to replace and get back the original animals. and it doesn't help that it was 7 months ago. will request the current pics of them.
i will be posting a reply at sometime today :) Thanks for letting me know.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.

Well i seen some e-mails that didnt favor blood bank, if they would post that e-mail that a customer wanted a SIMILAR dragon, but didnt want a pic of what he'd be getting? Might help out ALOT.
Should be kinda funny to a seller though too? Who would ask for something similar but not ask for a pic. who just "wings it" when sending dragons? Especially when EXPORTING a dragon?
Something aint right.
 
I just wanted to say that I too have had nothing but good experience with blood bank and I want to reiterate that Steve takes excellent pictures of his beardies that are completely accurate but as anybody with beardy experience knows it can be extremely difficult to get pics showing the best colors of a bearded dragon as they can change almost as fast as a chameleon. The lighting, temperature, and mood of the dragon all play important rolls in this. I have no doubt in my mind that blood bank will do everything in their power to make this person happy with his purchase.
 
I just wanted to say that I too have had nothing but good experience with blood bank and I want to reiterate that Steve takes excellent pictures of his beardies that are completely accurate but as anybody with beardy experience knows it can be extremely difficult to get pics showing the best colors of a bearded dragon as they can change almost as fast as a chameleon. The lighting, temperature, and mood of the dragon all play important rolls in this. I have no doubt in my mind that blood bank will do everything in their power to make this person happy with his purchase.

I dont think this is a mis-represented animal? The op wanted a similar animal to the dragon in the picture, correct? Was it cheaper? Because if it was cheaper and he wanted a "similar" that is a " Red trans leatherback" but not the quality because he spent less, then he got his money's worth, BUT the animal is now dead. So that takes it to a different level.

Whats Steven's Guarantee policy on Exports?

Zach,
Did you notify Steven that there was an issue with the dragon that died or did you call him after it died? Did the animal thrive properly?
 
Thanks for all your replies, yes i did notify the dragon wasn't thriving well. I didn't opt for a dragon similar to the dragon, i ASKED for that dragon, i have an e-mail where i did ask for that dragon, iv'e already e-mailed him the pics of the girl, Red turning out to be a citrus, i paid the EXACT amount that was stated, i even ATTACHED pics of the lizards that i wanted just to make sure he got the right ones.

Bearded Dragons‏
From: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
Sent: Tuesday, 27 Oct, 2009 4: 24 PM
To: [email protected]
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The Dragons i wanna confirm are:

1.0 Red Trans Italian Leatherback $650, if possible let me know.

0.1 Red 100% Het Trans 100% Het Leatherback. $200

0.1 Lemon Citrus Trans Subadult $300

0.1 Italian Leatherback Probable double Het 14" $250

Request the payment to [email protected]

Total price: $1400

Thanks Barry. Sorry for bothering you all this time. I really appreciate it.

Zack.

RE: Bearded Dragons‏
From: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 Oct, 2009 11: 14 PM
To: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
1.0 Red Trans Italian Leatherback $700, That is the lowest I can go.

0.1 Red 100% Het Trans 100% Het Leatherback. $300

0.1 Lemon Citrus Trans Subadult $300

0.1 Italian Leatherback Probable double Het 14" $250

Total price is $1550

I will paypal you a request now. When would you like us to ship those out? And you said that you have a broker? May I ask who that is? We are looking for one for over there. :)

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.

I EVEN posted DSC_6292 to him everytime i so much as asked about the Red Trans Leatherback, that exact same one. If he says i inquired on something around the same, do ask him to show some proof.

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I agree with Tom, why would someone, especially when all of you guys know i was 15, why would i pay so damn much to not even see a picture of my dragon? That's what i thought what was weird, i asked SPECIFICALLY for that dragon and i got a dragon that was 7".

Here's that e-mail in the 1st post that i posted, just to let you guys see it again, he even stated it could me measured WRONG.

RE: ‏
From: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 23 Nov, 2009 3: 22 PM
To: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
Being that they were exported...we can add something in with your next order if you are not happy with these ones. They said that they sent you what you ordered. The male may have been measured wrong. Have they gotten more color since they have settled in? They will appear less colorful if they are stressed at all.
Let me know what you would like to do.....since it is not easy to ship them to you without another export.


Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.

sigh yes. this is a 15 year old kid...that originally asked for something SIMILAR to that larger red trans leather male. and he was sent something smaller but SIMILAR. no sizes were specified...he just wanted that to be the outcome. we sent him a super nice male. and like any customer, if they are not happy, we will replace them right away, if they are not satisfied and let us know within 24 hours.
thing is...he is in another country. Doesn't make it easy to replace and get back the original animals. and it doesn't help that it was 7 months ago. will request the current pics of them.
i will be posting a reply at sometime today Thanks for letting me know.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.

No sizes were specified, what's this then?

RE: Bearded Dragons‏
From: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, 18 Oct, 2009 10: 02 AM
To: Foong I-Zhec ([email protected])
he is atleast 12". I think maybe 13". But he is a big boy.

Yes, you can breed trans to trans.

http://www.101dragons.com/en/genetica.html

Here is a website that you can go off of for genetics. let me know as soon as possible if you want this boy. I have two others looking at him right now. You have first choice since you were the first to inquire.

Barry & Kisa
[email protected]

www.bloodbankdragons.com

***Please let us know if you would like to be removed from our email list, or if you would like to be emailed for something specific only. We do not like getting spam, nor do we like sending it.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Bearded Dragons
From: Foong I-Zhec <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:08 am
To: <[email protected]>

I haven't confirmed a few yet, i'm interested in the big male leatherback red trans, 800$, what's the size of that big boy? And his age too.

Is it possible for a 100% trans to cross with a 100% Trans? Or can you give us a website to read about this as we are keen, but we need to make a decision about this cause we need to know what's best for us.

When we have read enough about it then we'll commit to it. Thanks Barry

Zack.

he is atleast 12". I think maybe 13". But he is a big boy.

?????????????????????????????????? What's that?

The export has not been missed and yes they still can add something in.

If they are confident i didn't ask for that 1.0 Red Trans Leatherback, why aren't they posting anything?

Thank you guys for all your replies, it's all very appreciated.
 
Honestly, yes i do know I'm 15, but atleast i know when i'm cheated or when i'm not. I thought they didn't reply me is because number 1, they were busy, or they were ignoring me, after iv'e seen that e-mail i really have nothing to say. As a buyer, regardless of my age i am still a customer who has paid for my dragons from Bloodbanks, are you saying as a 15 year old, i shouldn't be a customer? At the end of the day, if bloodbanks refuse to acknowledge that they made a mistake, i guess there is very little i can do, and my next action would be to seek help with the local american government agencies in Malaysia for advice on what i should do next.

Zack
 
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