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Info Just got this from SYR

Robyn, I really hope you bring SYR back. It is a very good tool for our hobby.

Robyn... dont think I am hating on you because I am not. I saw holes in your story... so I question them.

I agree 100% with what is posted above. SYR could be very good for our industry.... and if you are ever able to get it so the normal folks can get a UPS account.... then I will sign up for UPS... and then possibly SYR as a backup.
 
You two crack me up. Good night.

Jendee, I meant 15lbs, sorry, typo. Just wondering. I am not saying you are lying, I am 100% confident my staff did NOT suggest that you lie. 100%.
 
Your always gonna say Im lying!! You dont know what your employees say! Maybe you wouldnt suggest someone to lie. but the person I talked to did or maybe it was you who I talked to I dont know. It was a female, Your just trying to make your business look in the right, but honey your being very unprofessional on a public forum in handling this matter...losing customers as you speak and as the truth comes out :) Im not the only one with this story.....humm is it a conspiracy are we all lying to take syr down, no that would be stupid because syr is helpful and cheap but...illegal and unethical.

Actually Robyn is a HE. :thumbsup:
 
Hey Kevin, your particular silence is deafening :)

We suggest folks comply with the Lacey Act however they see fit. It is vaguely written, and we have had a legal team go over it, to no definitive avail.

Direction like "readily accessible for inspection" is very generic and open to interpretation, one common interpretation of which is immediately accessible within the flap of the package. That is what we show in the video. Thanks for deflecting though :)

Why is it that I have to follow the rules of YOUR IMAGINATION and PREFERENCE but you don't have to follow the FedEx rules?

The part I have bolded... I agree with you. That is open to interpretation

But is this?

Option One from 50 CFR 14
(guidelines of the labeling requirements mentioned in the Lacey Act)

(i) Conspicuously marking the outside of each container or package containing fish or wildlife with the word “fish” or “wildlife” as appropriate for its contents, or with the common name of its contents by species, and

Thats pretty straight forward.
 
Actually Robyn is a HE. :thumbsup:

oh well great then I definitly know it wasnt him lmao


but you very much did said i was lying
"you created your own conspiracy fantasy around it and ran with it"
or I guess not techinaclly but you we know what you ment!!
 
You two crack me up. Good night.

Robyn... I do hope you can get things squared away with UPS.... Im not out to trash you or your biz .... but if something doesnt quite look right... I will question it.

If that makes me a trouble maker in your eyes... then so be it.
 
Hey Kevin, your particular silence is deafening :)

We suggest folks comply with the Lacey Act however they see fit. It is vaguely written, and we have had a legal team go over it, to no definitive avail.

Direction like "readily accessible for inspection" is very generic and open to interpretation, one common interpretation of which is immediately accessible within the flap of the package. That is what we show in the video. Thanks for deflecting though :)

Robyn, your video is wrong on all accounts. READ THE LAW. You were provided it over a year ago.

(i) Conspicuously marking the outside of each container or package containing fish or wildlife with the word “fish” or “wildlife” as appropriate for its contents, or with the common name of its contents by species, and

(ii) Including an invoice, packing list, bill of lading, or similar document to accompany the shipment which accurately states the name and address of the shipper and consignee, states the total number of packages or containers in the shipment, and for each species in the shipment specifies:

(A) The common name that identifies the species (examples include: Chinook (or king) salmon; bluefin tuna; and whitetail deer) and whether or not the listed species is venomous; and

(B) The number of that species (or other appropriate measure of quantity such as gross or net weight).​

The invoice, packing list, bill of lading, or equivalent document must be securely attached to the outside of one container or package in the shipment or otherwise physically accompany the shipment in a manner which makes it readily accessible for inspection​

Do you seriously need someone to translate that for you?

Here, I'll "dumb it down" for you...

The OUTSIDE OF THE PACKAGE MUST BE LABELED with at a minimum, "Wildlife." The inside of the package or a invoice pouch on the side of the package MUST CONTAIN A DETAILED PACKING LIST OF CONTENTS.

Placing a "Live Harmless Reptiles" note on the inside of the box does neither of these two requirements. Don't play dumb, Robyn. None of us believe you're that thick.
 
I wanted to add my couple cents in this discussion. I used Fedex in the past before SYR came along. I was satisified with Fedex but when SYR developed with legally shipping snakes and the nice discounted rate I started using them. I have shipped tons of snakes using the company and havent had any of my packages mis-routed, lost, stolen, etc. The ONLY problem I have had was a few times (when I first started using SYR) when I went to drop my package off, I got questioned what was in it. I of course said a non venomous snake and I was turned away. So I drove to the next UPS location and hoped they didnt ask what was in it. I one time did lie and say a frog just because people dont care about frogs like they would a snake lol. They took the package no problem.

My nearest local UPS branch knows me now so they know all my packages have reptiles in it. They dont care anymore. I have to admit they did give me a little hard time at first but now all my packages go out no problem. They even sit my packages on the back counter until the driver comes that way they inform the driver that its an animal inside and to not just 'throw it on the truck' with the rest of the packages.

One last thing I think was a little funny. One time I was shipping out a boa and went to a different UPS store rather than the normal one I go to. Well the clerk asked what was inside, I said a snake. Well he refused to take it. I didnt take no for an answer considering my customer I guess NEEDED that snake the following day for whatever reason, so I told the clerk to hold on. I grabbed my cell started talking on it (to no one lol) and saying UPS is violating a contract etc. and started yelling all this b.s. and sure enough they took my package lol! So it all ended well.

To wrap it up (sorry for such a long post but only wanted to stick 1 post in this thread), I think SYR is great and helps many people out BUT they need to somehow tell everyone in UPS that we are shipping these snakes LEGALLY and they NEED to take the package. We shouldnt have to lie or be turned down or have to drive to another location because they refuse to take it. I have to admit saying its a 'snake' in the box is like saying theres a damn bomb in there or something. Considering I (and hopefully most others) are shipping these reptiles CORRECTLY, we shouldnt have to lie or be turned down when we are following the correct guidelines of SYR and should be allowed to ship with no problems from UPS.
 
Robyn, any time you offer a service to the public and anything arrises, big or small, people will want answers. What you may not realize is that they want them answered on their terms, not yours. These people could be past, current, or future customers, or those who toss the idea around of using your service.

When people post emails that you have sent out that show odds and percentages of what the chances are of their package being confinscated,it can be misleading and some believe through your choice of verbage, that you are suggesting to continue using your service to ship snakes. The things you say in an email and the things you say in a public forum don't appear to be worded the same from what I have read in several discussion forums out there. I know you can't be held accountable for an email like you can posting publically so your choice of words will be different.

To me if a service was actually on the level from the get go, I would think the main computer system would have notations that clearly state that snakes are allowed through your service. UPS is a multi billion dollar corporation and they can't have something in the system for all UPS delivery personel to see that these kinds of shipments are allowed? I know other reptile dealers that have a UPS waiver and the shipping company never questions one of their packages they even have in store pick up from the drivers who are well aware there are snakes being shipped out. I would tend to believe it is because they are in the system and anyone can look it up. To me it would be extremely unprofessional of UPS to not have a system in place for easily accessable account information.

You called your service a pilot program. Maybe you had a verbal from someone high up who you could contact if there was an issue and they could get it straightened out, and the package back on track. Seems odd that a multi billion dollar corporation doesn't have your account information for the package from start to finish.

Having a friend post publically that they read your contract doesn't prove anything. I saw that post, and it proves nothing.

If an individual goes down to any shipping company and ships a prohibited item, they are taking that risk by themselves. If a person ships something prohibited through a middle man and is led to believe it is fine, and then ends up not being fine, that is just plain wrong. All the middle man wants is to make money on others.

Here is your number game. Lets say 1000 packages go through the system, and 2 of those get confiscated and you even refund the money. You are still way ahead of the game financially because of all the others that made it through.

You are being hit hard with questions, comments, and alligations because the reptile industry has been fooled before by a shipping middle man.

If you go back in this thread, you will see that you posted. If you had just taken a few minutes to answer some questions then, before this thing snow balled, it would have been laid to rest already.

Understand, people can be demanding, that is natural. People can be disrespectful, and you have been as well as some of us. I have been disrespectful, and so have you. I can take the feed back for my actions, and you should too.

And I will say, thanks for coming back.
 
whether you agree with my methods or not... all myself and the others are after is answers to our questions. If I am in the wrong... and it is proven I am in the wrong... I dont have a problem apologizing publically. If you dont believe me... ask Yaz.
 
I went to Fed Ex's site when I received this email. Trying to find an alternative until SYR situation was rectified. I won't even have the possibility of shipping snakes until next year, but wanted an option. I ship geckos currently.

I could not believe that Fed Ex only allowed shipping business to business! I have received reptiles (at my home business) before from sellers that used Fed Ex. How many people using Fed Ex follow the rule of only business to business. I would say very few. Not many hobby breeders or people selling on the internet are going to be selling to a pet store. So....means most of the ones using Fed Ex did not read the rules or did not care.

I have used SYR since it first started and had one shipment to me that was routed wrong, and I had one shipment out that was routed wrong. Both times I talked to SYR and they were right there, making sure it was resolved right away. Both times my animals arrived safely. Both times I talked to Walt, who is awesome! I also talked to Christina a few times for various reasons. You could not ask for two better people to talk to or ask questions of. They are both great people!:D

I hope SYR can regain their snake shipping status with UPS, I don't really want to have to ship to one of Fed Ex's hubs. Though it might be best for the animal instead of a bit extra time in the delivery truck, I don't think many of our customers are going to want to drive to a hub to pick that animal up. They will go to the next seller who will use Fed Ex and ship to their home.

I did have one question though. Why can't the waiver be made public? Is it because someone could copy that public posted copy and try to doctor it for their own personal waiver? Just curious.
 
"As to shipping business to business.... I can not go around and check to see if everyone that purchases from me has a valid business license or DBA."

Kevin,

That is exactly what Fed Ex is expecting you to do. It is your job to follow the Fed Ex rules, so if they say no shipping to a residence for snakes then that is the rule you have to follow.

Have you shipped to residence's before under your waiver? Will you continue to do so?

If yes to either then you are breaking the rules of Fed Ex. No double standards here guys. If you expect Robyn to follow the rules and you want to chase him around on here for it, then you had better be following the rules your self.

How does one ship directly to a customers door under a Fed Ex waiver if that is against the waiver? Maybe somebody needs to change their website and shipping practices to reflect the recently uncovered Fed Ex rules. It wouldn't even take 10 minutes to make those changes.....right guys?
 
I would assume you can ask the person you're shipping to whether or not the address is business or residential. Doesn't seem that complicated to me.
 
Stu, how do you check if a business is zoned residential?

Does anyone have a Fed Ex rep that can be asked that? Is that their way of allowing people to go around their very own rules?

Steph, I don't know, but an answer to that would be great. I just could not believe they would have such a stupid rule.:shrug01: Is that maybe so a residential driver does not get stuck with a huge amount of stuff to try and deliver to a house? :shrug01:
 
Abby said:
I would assume you can ask the person you're shipping to whether or not the address is business or residential. Doesn't seem that complicated to me.

Sure, that could be asked to the receiver...But how would you know if they're being honest?

dragonlvr64 said:
Does anyone have a Fed Ex rep that can be asked that? Is that their way of allowing people to go around their very own rules? Steph, I don't know, but an answer to that would be great. I just could not believe they would have such a stupid rule. Is that maybe so a residential driver does not get stuck with a huge amount of stuff to try and deliver to a house?

I'll shoot mine over an email. Maybe she'll have an answer. If anyone else has a rep that swiftly answers calls/emails, send out a message to them as well (mine's not exactly quick to respond). I can't see it being because they're trying to save residential drivers time (Express packages aren't on the Ground trucks anyway, but instead on climate controlled vans).

2amcreations said:
You should check with your rep, not my job to help you comply with their rules.

No, but it is your job to defend your friend/client, right?
 
Sure, that could be asked to the receiver...But how would you know if they're being honest?

I don't think the average receiver would have reason to lie - most probably don't even know the rules. Of course that's me assuming, but it is still a precaution FedEx shippers could use instead of just bypassing the rules completely.
 
Steph,

No, its not my job to defend him. What I want to see is a lack of double standards. If folks want to jump on Robyn about following rules then they should already be following their own rules. Simple. Robyn is a big boy and can defend himself if he so chooses.
 
I'm not interested in getting into the middle of this discussion as in my opinion it has taken a turn from informative to petty bickering, but when I prepare a shipment on-line via fed-ex it tells me if it is going to a business or residence when it does the address verification. Just putting it out there, and yes I am guilty of breaking this rule. I was unaware of the policy change and as stated earlier my waiver doesn't mention anything about shipping only business to business, but my ignorance of the rule change doesn't alter the fact that I was shipping in violation of FedEx policy...
 
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