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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Let's go Dave. I'm all for a road trip!

I'll donate what I can and I listed a few things up for sale and payments will be sent directly to Maggie!
 
DAND said:
Who is up for a road trip? :dgrin:

4204 Drummon Square
Flint, Michigan 48504
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I'll she has to do is walk herself across the street to her bank and send the funds.
 

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I agree with you, though - I don't think (I hope, at least) they didn't start the auction with theft in mind.
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I am not so sure, when I sent my donation to "Christina Horn" she was verified, but with ZERO transactions. At the time I thought she set it up to recieve the auction funds, but I thought she was a friend of Maggies. I did not realize she wasn't until after Maggy posted a picture of Bill with the fish...The "Wises" comment after they saw the post was "He looks like a hardass". :(
 
Strike_Force_Reptiles said:
If it was just money owed yes it would be civil but you are missing the point that it is internet fraud! this is theft. i went through criminal justic bro. i know what they can be charged with. they commited a fed crime that is a major felony. unless you know the law dont try to talk it down please
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Trust that I know exceedingly well how the system works. Its also not worth much debate here. Give $5, then guillotine the Wise's. Then do it again !
 
bear said:
We all understand that maggie needs help and by all means get that paypal up here and im sure people will chip in. But none of us are going to let the wise's slide, too many scum bags pull this off and walk in the reptile community because we dont follow through or just let "karma" handle it. As previously stated, if I rob a bank and then return every dollar to the bank, i still robbed a bank. You have to seperate state and federal law from civil law, returning any property or amount of money has nothing to do with the theft, cyber crime, or drug use. Yes maybe it negates the civil obligation to pay but it by no means negates that the money was stolen in the first place. By all means lets help maggie and her children out as much as possible but lets not let this deed go unpunished.
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I just want to point out that the community is getting Maggie money that she needs right now, the Wise's are not paying her the money that she is owed. It is still a crime and if I were Jeff or Christina I would try to make sure I paid as much money back as I could before the law started knocking on the door. The more money they pay back the lighter the punishment. If you are running and hiding like it seems like you are the judge is going to eb more likely to throw the book at you and you still have to pay them back. Talk to friends and family, go to pawn shops, start mowing lawns in the middle of the night... do what it takes to get the money to the rightful place before the law starts knocking on your door.
 
Casey Hulse said:
I am not so sure, when I sent my donation to "Christina Horn" she was verified, but with ZERO transactions. At the time I thought she set it up to recieve the auction funds, but I thought she was a friend of Maggies. I did not realize she wasn't until after Maggy posted a picture of Bill with the fish...The "Wises" comment after they saw the post was "He looks like a hardass". :(
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I think when someone goes to the extent of forging a check as these two did, that indicates intent; I am willing to bet they planned this from the beginning. Joel Eidbo
 
lucille said:
Just an idea David, why don't you put this address instead of 'room monitor' under your avatar for a while. You are posting good stuff, we are all going to read what you post and maybe that would be a good place to put the address so people would remember where it was when they got ready?
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Done. :thumbsup:
 
Funny they have the money to go visit friends in Tx but not pay a widow back the money they ripped off. These THINGS disgust me.


Wonder if they are headed down to San Antonio, there IS a reptile show rolling around in a week or so..coincidence?
Doubt they have any of the money left now.
 
You'll find it in my sig line too. And since this is my 20th post in this thread, $100 will follow shortly.

That makes it $1600 you two thieves owe Maggie, or Me and I'll get it there myself. These expenses will grow by the time I get to MI. Just so you know.
 
Just plopped $1200 on my *insert favored profanity here* Xterra.
Hopefully I can get squared and donate some $ too.

I actually became aware of this issue through a member on my FB friends list posting a link. So obviously the word IS spreading.
 
i am appalled and sickened as well as extremely confused... Jeff, Christina honestly i thought you two were good people but this completely changes my train of thought.... after what you did, if hell is real then its still to pure to have you two anywhere near it, Satan himself would look like a pure and clean angel compared to you two...
 
amercnwmn said:
Funny they have the money to go visit friends in Tx but not pay a widow back the money they ripped off. These THINGS disgust me.


Wonder if they are headed down to San Antonio, there IS a reptile show rolling around in a week or so..coincidence?
Doubt they have any of the money left now.
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I highly doubt they will show up at my show.
They have nerves, but not enough to show up.

Randal Berry
 
Strike_Force_Reptiles said:
someone needs to go to local reptile shows and hand out flyers to people coming in wit their pic and what they did on them. do it at every show all over the US
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I don't think we can actually do that legally ( though it would be nice ) but you've got a good idea man. At least let EVERY vendor at ALL shows know what happened if they don't already know.
 
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