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[Gecko_Den]

For what it's worth, Mark Henderson is listed as the owner of "The Enclosure". However, he is not listed as holding a current Veterinary license in the state of PA.

I should also add that every review I read on him and his store was excellent. I just wouldn't have him "doing surgeries or prescribing meds" as you stated he has done before. I would suggest that you go to the Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians website and do a search of their members in your area to find a qualified Herp vet.

http://www.arav.org/ECOMARAV//timssnet/common/tnt_frontpage.cfm

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I can personally refer Scott Stahl for a vet to consider as opposed to an unlicensed guy with a reptile shop. It's a hike being he's in Fairfax, VA...But he's very competent and specializes in Exotics...100% worth the travel time.

 

[krestiekate]

I can personally refer Scott Stahl for a vet to consider as opposed to an unlicensed guy with a reptile shop. It's a hike being he's in Fairfax, VA...But he's very competent and specializes in Exotics...100% worth the travel time.

That makes him sound bad. If you could see this mans store you wouldn't think of it as a reptile shop but more of a reptile house at the zoo. His animals are all displayed in vision cages and very few are really fo sale. Most are just there for display for his own intrest or for breeding programs. They also breed and raise exotic birds at the shop. You can watch all the babys hatch and grow up. Most of his money is made from people on waiting lists to buy babys from the animals he has in stock. If you want something he isn't breeding they find the upmost high quality animal they can find for you, hold it at there facility untill they know for sure it's healthy and then sell it to you. He charges twice as much as I would pay for an animal on here or kingsnake but it's worth it to know i'm getting quality. He dosen't really sell animal product at his store. He mainly dose reptile shows with the product sense he dosen't like to travel and stress the animals with shows. I'll look into this other vet but I really trust mark and i'm confortible with him. I've played the whole. Lets try anouther vet game and my animals have ended up hurt or miscared for so i'm very wary of just trying anouther person.

 

[krestiekate]

I should also add that every review I read on him and his store was excellent. I just wouldn't have him "doing surgeries or prescribing meds" as you stated he has done before. I would suggest that you go to the Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians website and do a search of their members in your area to find a qualified Herp vet.

http://www.arav.org/ECOMARAV//timssnet/common/tnt_frontpage.cfm

I checked out the site and i've tryed 2 of the 3 vets that came up in my area. One of them was the one that didn't know where my BTS's lungs were to identify her URI. She had came to me very sick, Mites,URI,wounds all over her tail and underweight. She was not the animal that was pictured for sale but thats a whole diffrent story. She had started blowing bubbles out of her eyes and nose which is a clear sign that a BTS has an URI. You could hear the poping as well. I took her there and they said they couldn't hear anything in the lungs and perscribed me with $80 eye drops to clear up her "eye problem" I tryed many times to tell that that where they were listending to was not where her lungs were but they said they knew what they were doing. Took her to my guy the same day he knew it was an URI perscribed her baytril and sent me home with the medications. Shes now doing well and has been for over 6 months.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

That makes him sound bad.

It is bad that he's unlicensed and performing surgeries, giving out meds! You said he has a clinic, which he can't have a legal clinic if he's unlicensed! If I was local I'd report him for practicing without a license!

 

[timebider]

Scott Stahl is, hands down, one of the best herp vets out there. Period. I am blessed to live less than 10 miles from his practice (yay for me!) but even if I lived where you do, it would still be more than worth the drive to see him. On top of being an amazingly capable and knowledgeable herp vet, he's a fun guy who's good with kids when they come along for appointments.

I'm wondering how your "vet" is able to get hold of his "tools of the trade." There are a lot of restricted substances and materials that only a licensed vet should be accessing and using. Even if the guy is as good as you say, he should be attending school to become a legitimate veterinarian. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to practice as a vet/perform surgeries/operate a clinic if you don't have the proper licenses.

 

[krestiekate]

Scott Stahl is a 5 hour drive from where i'm liveing. I can't make time to drive 2 hours to see my mom and baby sisters let alone a 5 hour drive for a vet visit. I really am sick of fighting. I'm sick of fighting for myself,my boyfriend and my "vet". I have real life problems to deal with and i'm done with these silly internet ones.

 

[sillygeck]

As far as the gecko issue, if it was a mistake a simple "I am sorry and I will make sure it never happens again." should have settled it. Same for the OP, if you never made a mistake than a sorry may not be enough for you. But if you ever screwed up, and felt bad about it, maybe it will be all you can ask for.
You trusted her to "rehome" (whatever shape this was done in) the animal to her, then trust her to be sincere in what happened. I assume you knew she was a breeder? And I have never met a single breeder where accidents did not happen, ever! Sad but still true!

As far as this poor guy being raked over the coals.
I did a quick search. No where does he advertise to be a vet. I also did not find anyplace where he states that it is a clinic. It is called a pet store.
I have no clue what is being said in person. If he actually misleads folks into thinking he is a vet (as in licensed) bad. Same goes for restricted substances. If he is someone that probably has more hands on experience with certain animals than most vets and does offer help with basic problems, big deal. Katie writes in her first post that he does refer animals to the vet. Sounds like he knows his limits.
Not sure if it is such a good thing to go and list all of his info on a public site without knowing first hand what is going on with him.
I deal with many vets in my line of work. I respect them a lot. But I also know plenty of folks with years of hands on experience that can put quite a vets to shame when it comes to basic procedures. Obviously, I am not condoning posing as a vet. Just to make that clear.

 

[krestiekate]

Mark has never once claimed he was a vet but I call him one because thats what he is to me. Nor dose he claim his pet shop is a clinic but thats what it is to me. This problem didn't arise untill after Jatuei found out I was Krestie Kate. I have a PM that was sent to me where she agreed that the animal looked good when I sent those same pics to her. Then she found out I was krestie Kate and demanded the animal back. (Thats what it looked like to me anyways) All this happening at the same exact time of my boyfriends mistake. What a loser I look like. I tryed takeing her to the "vet" once it started to look like something was wrong, but he agreed that the new version of CGD was the cause for the weight gain sense it was made to make animals gain weight. His animals packed on several grams too when he started feeding it. His leachies gained over 40 grams in two weeks. I know alot of people over on the forums where this started already don't care for me due to my public breakdown I had because I had gone off my medications and was loosing it. After that incodent I was hospitalized for a few days and was set straight on takeing my medications regularly and have ever sense. I have now bought a house in a new state,got my 2 year degree from collage and have a decent job. I was 16 going on 17 when that breakdown happened and I humiliated myself to the point where I joined the forums under a new name. I'm really just drained and i'm tierd of trying to make this right. I know and the people around me know that my animals are well tooken care for dispite some bumps I had when I first started keeping cresteds. I really am sorry for everything that happened. Theres just really nothing left to say.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

As far as this poor guy being raked over the coals.
I did a quick search. No where does he advertise to be a vet. I also did not find anyplace where he states that it is a clinic. It is called a pet store.
I have no clue what is being said in person. If he actually misleads folks into thinking he is a vet (as in licensed) bad. Same goes for restricted substances. If he is someone that probably has more hands on experience with certain animals than most vets and does offer help with basic problems, big deal. Katie writes in her first post that he does refer animals to the vet. Sounds like he knows his limits.

His own customer his stating all of the information:

She has been cleared by a vet and there was really no good reason for you to post this here.

She had been taken to a vet 2 diffrent times because of my concern and he cleared her both times.

I will go see if Mark can print something up. He's a herp store owner,breeding center, and vet clinic in one. I've been going to the guy for years even when I lived a state away. He's done surgeries,given antibiotics and hospitilazations to my animals (and the whole citys animals) He's more of a call and he will see you animals kind of thing (dosen't really document anything which sounds bad)but i'm sure I can get him to print up something. He only charges a fraction of what a herp vet charges but if it's something he just can't do then he'll send ya to the vet clinic down the street.

Took her to my guy the same day he knew it was an URI perscribed her baytril and sent me home with the medications. Shes now doing well and has been for over 6 months.

So, either she is lying...Or this guy is practicing without a license.

 

[krestiekate]

Like I said before I call him a vet because thats what he is to me and yeah I guess that means he's practicing without a liscense. Like I said before I have never asked him if he was a vet because I assumed he was one because he had medications,equitment, and knew what he was talking about. I was young when we met (13 or 14) and never thought to ask hey can I see your vets liscense? I had been screwed over by so many vets that I was so happy to find someone trustworthy and someone who knew how to take care of my animals and was more than happy to drive to PA to get them cared for.

 

[April Homich]

The problem is that if he doesn't have a license, then he doesn't have the proper schooling/training to be doing that. It sounds like he's not a vet - nowhere near being one. You should not be referring to him as one or giving him the same credentials as someone who's had the training. Yes, a lot of vets aren't familiar with reptiles. Not only that, but your posts show that he's practicing without a license and that could get him into a lot of trouble.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Sounds to me like there's a more severe issue here than just whether someone intentionally bred a rehomed gecko or not. If there is a pet store owner issuing controlled drugs and doing surgeries and procedures that only a licensed vet should do, then someone should probably look into that.

The LAST thing the reptile world needs is to have someone who is knowledgeable and loves reptiles busted for dealing in controlled drugs and HE should know better. It is a "big deal".

However, that's off-topic, and perhaps anyone that knows about this guy can post a seperate info thread on him? Otherwise the discussion should be on whether a rehomed gecko that was underweight should or should not have been accidentally placed in a breeding situation. However, if the animal is being cooled to be certain she doesn't "take", and it IS owned by the new owner, not the old owner, there isn't a whole lot to be done. If the gecko was in really bad shape and should not have been bred and it was a big issue to the original owner, she shouldn't have been placed in a new home until she was ready to breed, because you are really taking your chances that the new owner will not breed her too early, or make a mistake and place her in with a male and get her bred. It's totally out of your control at that point, although it would be irritating that you trusted that person to know what to do, it's not your animal any longer.

Get stuff in writing, but in this case, the claim that it was accidental would trump even a written agreement not to breed I think. I hope the little gecko does well and becomes a healthy happy gecko in spite of a rough start in life.

 

[April Homich]

I meant to type something else in there... sorry if my sentences aren't quite in order.

So here's a link to Pennsylvania's laws and penalties for performing vet care without a license...

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuspast63_ps_485_1_35.htm#s28

b) Any person who engages in the practice of veterinary medicine without the license required by this act or who performs the duties of an animal health technician without the certificate required by this act commits a misdemeanor of the third degree and shall, upon conviction, for a first offense, be sentenced to a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or to imprisonment for not more than six months or both. A second offense shall be subject to a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000) or imprisonment for a term of six months to one year or both.

 

[April Homich]

Oh, and I forgot to even ask, why wasn't it in quarantine??? This shouldn't have even come up.

 

[krestiekate]

She was in quarenteen. She was in a diffrent colored tub so that Zack would know but like all men they just don't think sometimes. It was my mistake to let Zack put any of my animals together because if I wouldn't have said "Go ahead and reintroduce my yellow group" then none of this would have ever happened. She was also on E-Fix because she was a new gecko. Which is part of my quarenteen prodedures. Even if I hadn't put her into cooling it wouldn't take because this male can't seem to find the hole. I'll take a pic next time so that I have proof that he's not penitrateing my females. The reason she wasn't in a diffrent room was because my gecko room is the coolest room in the house atm. We just bought this house and it despritly needs a furnace with a cooling system. We were haveing it switched when I recieved the gecko so she was placed in my gecko room. The gecko room was staying at a constante 80 degrees which is a bit on the hot side for these guys but there was nothing I could do sense we were in the middle of a freak heatwave. Shes currently happy and healthy and gaining weight. The food that shes on is the newest version of CGD which is made to help animals grown better and gain weight quicker. That in combination with the warm weather was makeing all of my animals explode in size. On a diffrent note Even if I would have wanted to breed her after her quarenteen piriod she still would have been of a proper weight (35+ grams) Shes currently 43 grams on an empty tummy. This whole thing is so rediculous.

 

[krestiekate]

My male cresteds lack of proformance is the reason why I even had to reintroduce any of my animals. If he would have got it right just one time then my females would have been good to produce on that sperm for 8 months. I paid $300 for this male and he can't even get the job done.

 

[Jateui]

Okay, I didn't say anything about how large she was the first time because I didn't realize you were krestie kate, this is true. However, I find it kinda creepy and sad you have to hide behind another name. Yes, I did freak out when I found out you were krestie kate. Tiedyegecko wasn't known to have bred mentally challenged geckos with underweight females, to my knowledge. Nobody had anything bad to say about "tiedyegecko" but they had plenty to say about "krestiekate" unfortunately. You never told me these geckos were for your boyfriend, you only mentioned him when you asked if I still had another gecko. So by the way you worded it, all the people I've shown that to would have thought that he had nothing to do with the transaction otherwise. I had no idea what gender tiedyegecko was, so when I got your paypal, I didn't want to ask questions, I just assumed you were male due to the name. I searched it up, as I always do with new people I'm dealing with to be sure they aren't known to do anything iffy, and I didn't find anything. Now if you would have paid with the information showing you were kaitlyn graves, I would have found that.

And it seemed fairly obvious you didn't put her through a quarantine when you posted on a forum that the tail was bitten off by a cage mate. Then when I asked you about it, you said Goldie, another gecko, bit it off during a photo shoot.

Apparently from what I've heard, you had an entamoeba outbreak before. No matter how healthy a gecko appears, you should never put them with another one until you're positive the gecko isn't carrying anything. A gecko can come to you healthy and because of stress, easily get sick.

I honestly posted this up to let people think of this how they will. Point is, you bred a female way too soon from when you got her, you've taken her to an unlicensed vet and relied too much on his word, you didn't quarantine, and you used a different name to get live animals.

Cassandra McBean

 

[krestiekate]

When those animals were bred it was my first year breeding and yes I didn't know what I was doing. I was one of those people that we all try to say "you should really consider this before you do it" to when there talking about breeding there animals. I was overly excited and jumped the gun. I bred a gecko that I thought was beautiful to anouther gecko. It was my first time breeding anything and yes I paid the price. I lost 7+ females that year. Most of which I hadn't even gotten around to posting on my iherp. Yes i'm VERY ashamed of it. This was almost 2 1/2 years ago. As for the quarenteen and the tail loss. 1. tails are ment to be lost 2. all of them were put into the same bin for breeding so if she was sick everyone was exposed. She was being treated with efix and had been on it for two weeks and I was atleast greatful for that. I still put everyone else on efix just to be safe even though she had already been on it for two weeks. I also figured I might as well get that photo I needed while they were all together. I had found your ad when I was in the TRADE section. I had told Zack there was a male tokay that a member of the forum wanted to get rid of. Told him you only wanted shipping. He said he really wanted it but didn't wanna pay that much for a tokay so I said i'd ask about the crestie just to sweeten the deal a bit. It worked out for me sense I love yellows so much. He said I could make the payment threw his paypal and just give him half of the cost of shipping when I got paid.

 

[Jateui]

You were trying to breed over 7 females for your first season?

Also...1, tails are there for a reason. They're meant to be lost? Do people go pulling tails off of everybody's geckos? They're meant as a line of defense in, from what I know, would be a desperate situation. Especially from her. If she didn't lose her tail when another person bred her when she was under 20 grams, I think she'd only lose it now if she was extremely stressed and that was quite the aggressive male.

2. It worries me that your second point didn't seem to have any effect on you. I'd sure hope you wouldn't want a repeat of what had happened in the past.

Also, if you weren't trying so hard to hide the fact you were krestiekate on your tiedyegecko account, why would it be that the only times you mentioned krestiekate on your tiedyegecko account, you were talking about it like it was another person?