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Bad Guy Josh@Outbackreps

genetic possibilities
MALE: Spider
FEMALE: Orange Ghost
50%: Het Orange Ghost
50%: Spider, Het Orange Ghost
Punnet Square:
Het Orange Ghost
Normal Het Orange Ghost
Spider Spider, Het Orange Ghost

After That:
Male: Spider, Het Orange Ghost
Female: Orange Ghost
After my goal the Honeybee
Why would I buy a female not knowing what will be the turn out on babies? Hopefully in 3 years when it is time to breed I will know enough to get by. Saying you know everything just shows ignorance. You never stop learning!

As far as the blacklist thing to everyone else. I could care less. I'm sure you would be after the money anyways. If you are a breeder then your just trying to get a buck and all money is green. don't try to fake a front. Probably don't even having anything to breed.

Sellers and children like yourselves are whats giving the reptile world a bad name. You say all over these forums how the reptile world needs more people to fight these illegal bans. yet you defend your buddies to death just because there a friend or sucked you off once. Weather or not it was a kink a broken bone whatever it was there is something wrong. Like I have said over and over seemed like a weight issue. I don't believe she even had a first meal. Maybe some of you are having trouble reading or can't read. Go get your mommy to read Dr. Seuss to you. You start off on the first page in case some of you don't know. Left to right top to bottom. Theres your leason. Hope you learned something today. Go fart clear your mind.

You may want to take your own advice and go back to the basics of reading. Here's your first tip; learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and "there" and "their" before you start lecturing people on how to read...

While you're (see how that works?) at it you may want to brush up on basic sentence structure as well as spelling and when it's appropriate to capitalize a letter. :rolleyes:
 
You really called me ignorant because I said that you should know what vet to use before purchasing your snake? That's funny.

ANY responsible herp keeper/breeder will tell you the same thing. Any reptile can become sick from the very day you bring it home even if it did not show signs of illness prior.

I can easily read off a list from my fridge that has the names of 15 reptile vets 5 of which I take my herps to on a regular basis. All of which I've researched their specialties.

Hell many responsible seller wont sell to somebody if they can't provide the name of their planned vet. Wonder why they'd do that???
 
James! You are unbelievable and YOU are the one calling people childish and other ridiculous names???? I originally made a post to help you understand why you are in the wrong, but you clearly aren't listening to anyone except for those voices in your head that have you convinced you know what's going on...despite NO experience with these animals!

A wise man once said, "It is far better to let someone assume that you lack intelligence than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions!!"
 
If you are a breeder then your just trying to get a buck and all money is green. don't try to fake a front.
Really, the only reason people breed is for money.. it is true that some people breed just for the business aspect. But you act as if it is impossible for people to breed the animals they love for the joy and excitement of it :rolleyes:


Sellers and children like yourselves are whats giving the reptile world a bad name.
What color is the sky in your world?


yet you defend your buddies to death just because there a friend or sucked you off once.
In this case I would defend Outback, and I've never gotten an animal from them or any favors. I don't even personally know them :NoNo:

It seems that arguing with you is pointless, you can't accept the opinions of others, no matter how wrong you are. I wish you the best of luck, hopefully you'll actually take your own advice and take some of today's lessons to heart.
 
This is my first thread. I felt the need to post here being an outsider not having known either the seller or buyer.

Buyer - Please don't be so rude. A little politeness can go a long way wether it be in forums or in real life. Judging by the way you acted in this thread I am giving props to everyone who continued to respond to you. You have taken a lot of shots at people in this hobby. It is not "us" who are ruining this hobby, it is YOU.

Seller - I am so very sorry. If you dealt with canadians I'm sure I would be purchasing snakes off of you with a TOS like that. How you stayed clam and collected for so long is beyond me...

Let me get this straight...

You purchased a ghost bp from a seller and got what you asked for. You initially thought the bp had a weight problem and didn't think to contact the seller? Two weeks later you see he is selling kinked snakes for discounted prices. You see these snakes and find a "kink" in yours. Then you supply us with many many pictures of this "kink" to which are so blurry can you barely tell it's a snake.

I just wanted to say thanks for this forum idea. It truly tells me who I would NEVER sell a snake of mine too.

Jeremy clements.
 
Look I used to be very sketchy of Outback. i really didn't like them. I now have many animals from Outback. Last week a snake from them died. They gave me something else! 1.3 AFT's in fact. Outback is good people. I have helped them at a local show. They are importers. There is a certain risk you run when importing animals. Even CH animals. They have thousands of animals how can they inspect each one!
 
So as previously mentioned you obviously don't understand the concept of "Captive hatched". If you wanted an entire pedigree then you should have purchased a CAPTIVE BRED animal. Do a little more research before you jump on a purchase.
 
If he thinks WE are the ones that are ignorant and don't know what WE are talking about then why is he on this site in the first place
 
I don't believe there are that many vets around here. I asked someone from around here said he never had to go to one wasn't sure. I have mentioned I have a appointment somewhere in here. The clinic I found the herp doc is only in on wednesdays. Its just a walk-in thing really. As far as the substrate we feed her in a paper bag unless she swallowed some for him. And for the food passing through she was a little constipated at first but she seems to be fine. I guess she was constipated had a pink belly. Soaked her in the tub and it seemed to relax her. Been about a week should do her stuff any day now i imagine.

Look up Suzanne Trosclair... in Lafayette..she can do an xray... and has a decent knowledge of basic reptile medicine....... if she cant help you contact LSU vet school.


But that does not resemble any kink I have ever seen.... if it is a cracked rib.... that sort of injury happens sometimes in snakes... and can go unnoticed
and the snake can live a normal life..... especially since it isnt near the chest cavity....

But it doesnt look like anything genetic from the pics you have posted...
 
No paper bag is open. She was really small refused her first meal the pinkie died so I didn't want to take a chance with another. A guy at the petshop said they feed theres in a paperbags. Worked great 2 feedings so far. My male didn't get the pink belly before his shed. I was reading the pink belly poo thing in some problems thread someone had suggested giving it a bath to try to make it poo.
I believe sympathy is gone here. I can't even keep the story straight plain bold and underlined. Its just what a child would do read over just what they wanted. Heard only what they wanted to hear. Seems like a all out war and i'm outnumbered. Stupidity Gang to 1.

You really need to relax...... this is the third thread Ive seen you make in a week flaming a company/ breeder .... 1st was Zilla(which you posted on Reptile Insider and admitted to finding a solution after the mud was already slung).and it was made clear that RI didnt want that sort of drama... then it was Sean from Exotics by nature here..... which was totally offbase... Now it is Outback.... for a claim that you have yet to be able to substantiate by photos...... It really looks rather odd from our perspective...... I havent seen anything but flaming from you......

These people were trying to help you, and taking time out of their day to even research vets for you..... they dont deserve the bashing.... Most forums ban for this sort of activity......

PS.... you need to read the TOS for the BOI... and follow the rules precisely....
 
Let me get this straight...

You purchased a ghost bp from a seller and got what you asked for. You initially thought the bp had a weight problem and didn't think to contact the seller? Two weeks later you see he is selling kinked snakes for discounted prices. You see these snakes and find a "kink" in yours. Then you supply us with many many pictures of this "kink" to which are so blurry can you barely tell it's a snake.
Jeremy clements.
First off they don't know how to read. Just nit picking if they did read the topic and its entirety. I have repeated myself to much in here. The snakes he was selling were the same kind I had and they were kinked. This snake i had when recieved had a long thick wrinkle down its side and this kink/bone whatever it is. So yeah I figured weight. The wrinkle went away first feeding. I was always worried about the kink/bone. After 2 weeks seeing him selling 2 other snakes same morph with kinks just got me thinking he sold me a snake kinked/defected. Theres something wrong other then weight here. We will see. 4:30cst today i will find out I don't know if i have to wait for any results or x-ray. I imagine I will get it today.

Look up Suzanne Trosclair... in Lafayette..she can do an xray... and has a decent knowledge of basic reptile medicine....... if she cant help you contact LSU vet school.


But that does not resemble any kink I have ever seen.... if it is a cracked rib.... that sort of injury happens sometimes in snakes... and can go unnoticed
and the snake can live a normal life..... especially since it isnt near the chest cavity....

But it doesnt look like anything genetic from the pics you have posted...
I had my phone number on here we could of met somewhere off 90 and you could of seen in person and be able to make a judgment for the chillins here. I have a 4:30 at St. Francis they have some lady who comes in on wednesdays who handles the reptiles. Thanks for the suggestion.

You really need to relax...... this is the third thread Ive seen you make in a week flaming a company/ breeder .... 1st was Zilla(which you posted on Reptile Insider and admitted to finding a solution after the mud was already slung).and it was made clear that RI didnt want that sort of drama... then it was Sean from Exotics by nature here..... which was totally offbase... Now it is Outback.... for a claim that you have yet to be able to substantiate by photos...... It really looks rather odd from our perspective...... I havent seen anything but flaming from you......

These people were trying to help you, and taking time out of their day to even research vets for you..... they dont deserve the bashing.... Most forums ban for this sort of activity......

PS.... you need to read the TOS for the BOI... and follow the rules precisely....
No bud I posted the zilla thing all over! RI just had a problem writing out zilla to cover him. It was information so rookies like myself would watch out buying the cheap zilla pet store tanks
Sean and I are cool now I guess. He called me and made things right. Took a BOI for it but it worked. I was well in my writes there. I was told to call him monday after a expo. Which I did he told me he was going to txt it to my brother as soon as he made it to his shop because i just have phone on my cell plan. He never did. I left full of messages. His iphone was messed up and was not getting voice messages i was told. Hey it could of been avoided by that monday we had spoke. If you read this one I still mentioned the good things. I didn't cut him down completely. I did say he was very descent and gave us full of information. Also how he had supprised us popping the snake right there. My brother purchased a snake from Sean no problem he speaks highly of Sean but he agrees he could of handled my ordeal better.
Now I have this outback issue with josh selling me a snake with a problem/kink/defect/broken bone! I paid for a snake that was 100% perfect full price. There is no reason I should have to bring her to a vet to x-ray and probably spend more $$$ on whatever it will take to make her perfect(IF IT ISN'T A KINK). Unless it is a kink then now i have to deal with that. I don't plan to buy anymore bp's. I have 2 to make what I need to breed back to her for my honeybee's. I will have trouble giving away the offspring I don't need if there is a kink in the genetics.
I'm straight forward! Don't like the bs. I tell it like it is, some get offend I don't care. These people that are so called trying to help are not but after 5 pages of the same ol same ol story just gets overlooked its hard to remain calm with ignorance.

To you all who have me "blacklisted".
I could care less go bark up someone else's leg! You are all blacklisted here too. none of you are mature breeder anyway. I wouldn't want another overlooked defected snake. I'll stick to the expos or home bred. Don't get all this safe behind a moniter talk back.
 
So, I read this about a day ago and figured it had begun to wind down, but I guess I was wrong.

James, you keep claiming that people are nit picking your posts and picking out what it is they do or do not want to see. Well, as an outsider looking in, let me give some perspective to you.

First off, in the photos you showed, blurred and unfocused as they were, there is no kink in your animal. As stated many times over, kinks do not present themselves in a such a symetrical way. Also, a kink, by its very definition and by the cases I have seen, would present itself in such a way that the portion of the animal would abruptly "jerk" to the side down the length of its body. This is not the case of your animal and this much is obvious.

Now, secondly, to move onto the reason you brought this to the BOI to begin with. You have no proof, no definitive evidence, that this animal has a genetic defect. You have yet to provide any sort of findings from a veterinarian who is capable of handling such exotics and all you have is your own assumptions. As you have claimed yourself a newbie when it comes to repitles, this does not do much for confidence. This is nothing to take offense to, but rather something to realize.

Finally, Josh offered you a refund. He will not give a partial because, one, it is not the terms of service of Outback Reptiles to do so and, two, there is no reason to do it. You have had the animal for two weeks yet are so in love with it that you are not willing to part with it, but you desire some of the money back. No, the world does not really work that way. You either keep an animal you believe defective, or you send it back for a refund. It is more than fair.

I would also like to point out that I find it odd someone who desires to eventually be a breeder putting themselves in such a position. What I mean by this is simple: you have a supposedly defective animal, maybe it is genetic, maybe it is not, yet you are going to risk breeding it in the future because that is the reason you got it. Instead of sending it back to get a full refund from Josh, you are going to keep it, force it to endure a pregnancy, cross your fingers and hope for the best? What if all the babies come out with a defect? Then what? What if the supposed defect causes complications and kills the female? Think about it. What then? You have an opportunity to get your investment back instead of killing it over and over again.

Then again, perhaps I am lacking in maturity and filled with ignorance? Right.

Do not come to the BOI, bash the community involved with it and expect a warm reception. We like facts here. We do not like hear say, he said/she said or anything else of that nature. You have posted Bad Guy Threads for people here that are clearly unwarranted. The best part, of course this is sarcasm, would be that these remain here forever and now people have to drudge through numerous posts of half baked claims to get to the truth. In the end it will benefit Josh, not you, but I suppose that is as much the point of the BOI as your lack luster attempts here.

Bottom line: keep the snake and deal with it or send it back and get a full refund.
 
Now I have this outback issue with josh selling me a snake with a problem/kink/defect/broken bone! I paid for a snake that was 100% perfect full price. There is no reason I should have to bring her to a vet to x-ray and probably spend more $$$ on whatever it will take to make her perfect(IF IT ISN'T A KINK). Unless it is a kink then now i have to deal with that.

I personally havent seen any evidence here that would support that claim(a genetic defect).... I cant even see anything abnormal because the pics are so out of focus.... but I've only been breeding reptiles for 17 years so what do I know.....



As the accuser... it is your responsibility... and yours alone to come forward with evidence supporting your claims....

He even offered to give you a refund..... which is more than I personally would've done with that sort of evidence.....



IF you ever buy another reptile... when you open the box... thoroughly inspect it.... very closely..... then contact the seller.... that is your time to air any issues...... not weeks later.... and probably be a good idea to read the breeder's TOS before purchase..... some people dont have the same guarantees... for many legitimate reasons.....
 
First off they don't know how to read. Just nit picking if they did read the topic and its entirety. I have repeated myself to much in here. The snakes he was selling were the same kind I had and they were kinked. This snake i had when recieved had a long thick wrinkle down its side and this kink/bone whatever it is. So yeah I figured weight. The wrinkle went away first feeding. I was always worried about the kink/bone. After 2 weeks seeing him selling 2 other snakes same morph with kinks just got me thinking he sold me a snake kinked/defected. Theres something wrong other then weight here. We will see. 4:30cst today i will find out I don't know if i have to wait for any results or x-ray. I imagine I will get it today.


I had my phone number on here we could of met somewhere off 90 and you could of seen in person and be able to make a judgment for the chillins here. I have a 4:30 at St. Francis they have some lady who comes in on wednesdays who handles the reptiles. Thanks for the suggestion.


No bud I posted the zilla thing all over! RI just had a problem writing out zilla to cover him. It was information so rookies like myself would watch out buying the cheap zilla pet store tanks
Sean and I are cool now I guess. He called me and made things right. Took a BOI for it but it worked. I was well in my writes there. I was told to call him monday after a expo. Which I did he told me he was going to txt it to my brother as soon as he made it to his shop because i just have phone on my cell plan. He never did. I left full of messages. His iphone was messed up and was not getting voice messages i was told. Hey it could of been avoided by that monday we had spoke. If you read this one I still mentioned the good things. I didn't cut him down completely. I did say he was very descent and gave us full of information. Also how he had supprised us popping the snake right there. My brother purchased a snake from Sean no problem he speaks highly of Sean but he agrees he could of handled my ordeal better.
Now I have this outback issue with josh selling me a snake with a problem/kink/defect/broken bone! I paid for a snake that was 100% perfect full price. There is no reason I should have to bring her to a vet to x-ray and probably spend more $$$ on whatever it will take to make her perfect(IF IT ISN'T A KINK). Unless it is a kink then now i have to deal with that. I don't plan to buy anymore bp's. I have 2 to make what I need to breed back to her for my honeybee's. I will have trouble giving away the offspring I don't need if there is a kink in the genetics.
I'm straight forward! Don't like the bs. I tell it like it is, some get offend I don't care. These people that are so called trying to help are not but after 5 pages of the same ol same ol story just gets overlooked its hard to remain calm with ignorance.

To you all who have me "blacklisted".
I could care less go bark up someone else's leg! You are all blacklisted here too. none of you are mature breeder anyway. I wouldn't want another overlooked defected snake. I'll stick to the expos or home bred. Don't get all this safe behind a moniter talk back.

You were told, "SEND THE SNAKE BACK FOR A FULL REFUND." I fail to see what's so difficult to comprehend about that sentence.

You do NOT get to tell a business how to run their TOS. You do NOT get to tell a business that you fell in "love" with the snake so only want a little bit of the money back. :rofl:

SEND THE SNAKE BACK FOR A FULL REFUND. Those are the terms, it really IS that simple.:shrug01:
 
You were told, "SEND THE SNAKE BACK FOR A FULL REFUND." I fail to see what's so difficult to comprehend about that sentence.

You do NOT get to tell a business how to run their TOS. You do NOT get to tell a business that you fell in "love" with the snake so only want a little bit of the money back. :rofl:

SEND THE SNAKE BACK FOR A FULL REFUND. Those are the terms, it really IS that simple.:shrug01:

Oooops..Those WERE the terms, I wouldn't blame them one bit if they withdrew the offer. You have had the snake much too long to be insisting on getting any money back.:ack2:
 
Well the bottom line is that Outback's reputation has not been affected in anyway by this guy, so who cares. :shrug01:

As far as I'm concerned, if a seller offers a refund, there it is. End of discussion.
 
As far as I'm concerned, if a seller offers a refund, there it is. End of discussion.

I agree. Even if it was a kink that Outback overlooked, they have offered to make it right. Mistakes do happen; what matters is how those mistakes are handled.

The fact that Outback offered a full refund over two weeks after the snake was purchased indicates to me that they went above and beyond what would have been expected of them.

I used to mostly be leery of buying from people who were new or didn't have a lot of rep. But people like the OP have also made me leery of selling to new people. Its unfortunate that just a few people can ruin things for all.
 
After 2 weeks seeing him selling 2 other snakes same morph with kinks just got me thinking he sold me a snake kinked/defected.

Right there is where you shot your own self in the foot. :shootfoot

I am willing to bet money if you had NEVER seen the threads with kinked snakes of the same morph from Outback, you would have never posted this one.

You saw those and thought you get a few bucks back and walk out on top. Outback stood by their TOS and offered you a full refund if the snake was returned and you refused because it did not fall into your plan. If you were the least bit serious about breeding you would have sent the defective animal back and taken the refund and moved on with your life.

The only "proof" of a defect have been blurry, poorly done photos. You could tell the snake had wings for all the more you can distinguish in those photos.
 
So, I read this about a day ago and figured it had begun to wind down, but I guess I was wrong.

James, you keep claiming that people are nit picking your posts and picking out what it is they do or do not want to see. Well, as an outsider looking in, let me give some perspective to you.

First off, in the photos you showed, blurred and unfocused as they were, there is no kink in your animal. As stated many times over, kinks do not present themselves in a such a symetrical way. Also, a kink, by its very definition and by the cases I have seen, would present itself in such a way that the portion of the animal would abruptly "jerk" to the side down the length of its body. This is not the case of your animal and this much is obvious.

Now, secondly, to move onto the reason you brought this to the BOI to begin with. You have no proof, no definitive evidence, that this animal has a genetic defect. You have yet to provide any sort of findings from a veterinarian who is capable of handling such exotics and all you have is your own assumptions. As you have claimed yourself a newbie when it comes to repitles, this does not do much for confidence. This is nothing to take offense to, but rather something to realize.

Finally, Josh offered you a refund. He will not give a partial because, one, it is not the terms of service of Outback Reptiles to do so and, two, there is no reason to do it. You have had the animal for two weeks yet are so in love with it that you are not willing to part with it, but you desire some of the money back. No, the world does not really work that way. You either keep an animal you believe defective, or you send it back for a refund. It is more than fair.

I would also like to point out that I find it odd someone who desires to eventually be a breeder putting themselves in such a position. What I mean by this is simple: you have a supposedly defective animal, maybe it is genetic, maybe it is not, yet you are going to risk breeding it in the future because that is the reason you got it. Instead of sending it back to get a full refund from Josh, you are going to keep it, force it to endure a pregnancy, cross your fingers and hope for the best? What if all the babies come out with a defect? Then what? What if the supposed defect causes complications and kills the female? Think about it. What then? You have an opportunity to get your investment back instead of killing it over and over again.

Then again, perhaps I am lacking in maturity and filled with ignorance? Right.

Do not come to the BOI, bash the community involved with it and expect a warm reception. We like facts here. We do not like hear say, he said/she said or anything else of that nature. You have posted Bad Guy Threads for people here that are clearly unwarranted. The best part, of course this is sarcasm, would be that these remain here forever and now people have to drudge through numerous posts of half baked claims to get to the truth. In the end it will benefit Josh, not you, but I suppose that is as much the point of the BOI as your lack luster attempts here.

Bottom line: keep the snake and deal with it or send it back and get a full refund.

:iagree::iagree::iagree: I could not have said this better.
 
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