Bad Guy Nicole Norton/Howlinn gale dragons,Bad guy very bad guy.

[Iraqvet]

That is part of it...the other part is that we don't ban somebody simply because a few (or a lot of) people say they don't think that person should be here. The point has been made repeatedly that saying you think somebody should be banned doesn't make it happen. We might fully agree - individually, or collectively - but the infractions have to build up, or other justification has to exist (like the giant ~SNAP~ witnessed on another thread).

Ok...You almost had me worried for a second cause I thought I maybe someone thought the likes of me were worse then the likes of Nicole..I would have been sad at that...I know man..No one can just make her vanish...yet..But I think by giving some sort of punishment til she could clean up her act would be nice

 

[Southern Wolf]

That would make the staff here jury and judge... and that wont happen. You have to make your own decisions on whether or not to do business with someone. The staff wont make that decidsion for you by enforcing sanctions just because of someone business practices.

 

[Iraqvet]

That would make the staff here jury and judge... and that wont happen. You have to make your own decisions on whether or not to do business with someone. The staff wont make that decidsion for you by enforcing sanctions just because of someone business practices.

Yeah....Rules are rules..Unfortunetly she knows them and manages to get around them..I just dont know how ANYONE could read whats posted about her,see how she acts,and then still decide to buy from her...???...So does anyone think she will come explain if her and Ed are back at it??

 

[AndreaH]

I dont think she will personally, but does it really matter if she admits to it or not? We all know now that she is back to working with him, so be on the look out. People buy from her because of word of mouth and also she has now lowered her prices. All we can do is warn, but the decision to buy is still with the customer.

 

[Michael Brown]

I dont think she will personally, but does it really matter if she admits to it or not? We all know now that she is back to working with him, so be on the look out. People buy from her because of word of mouth and also she has now lowered her prices. All we can do is warn, but the decision to buy is still with the customer.

At very least this BOI will be here for a very long time, I was just tempted to get a beardy from one of her ads but thought I remembered the name.. Needless to say ill be looking elsewhere

 

[Iraqvet]

At very least this BOI will be here for a very long time, I was just tempted to get a beardy from one of her ads but thought I remembered the name.. Needless to say ill be looking elsewhere

 

[Lucille]

I'm thinking that the vast majority of us have dirty laundry. We've all had those kind of fights where we say awful stuff.

The problem is that when you air your domestic spats on a permanent record, it's permanent.

A lot of folks are beginning to find that out on social networking sites, that having a meltdown and emotionally masturbating by putting your partner down so you can feel better, is satisfying for about five minutes.

But then, not so much when your bosses and customers and someday your children get to read all that stuff.

In this day of technology, write everything as if it might appear on the front page of your local newspaper where your mother could read it. Because, it might.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I'm thinking that the vast majority of us have dirty laundry. We've all had those kind of fights where we say awful stuff.

The problem is that when you air your domestic spats on a permanent record, it's permanent.

A lot of folks are beginning to find that out on social networking sites, that having a meltdown and emotionally masturbating by putting your partner down so you can feel better, is satisfying for about five minutes.

But then, not so much when your bosses and customers and someday your children get to read all that stuff.

In this day of technology, write everything as if it might appear on the front page of your local newspaper where your mother could read it. Because, it might.

For

 

[Marleysbeard]

So I've had a run in with Nicole Norton and wanted to put it out there for fear she may lie or try to somehow hurt my reputation. This post includes everything that was said up until this point. I will not be speaking to her again in any way shape or form since I realize it would be fruitless and only worsen things.

The first message below is what I posted on her For Sale ad on bearded dragon dot org. In hindsight I should have left it alone but she had tacked a paragraph onto the bottom of her ad referring to the BOI and her being smeared and in my eyes that opened it up for discussion. At that point it wasn't strictly a selling ad but a combination of ad and post regarding her standing on the BOI. As I see it if she didn't want it brought up in her ad she shouldn't have brought it up herself.

In any case she told every mod about it and she has been on the site for quite a bit longer than I have so my comment was removed and marked inappropriate. I don't agree with that because I feel it gives the wrong impression to people seeing it and possibly assuming I was swearing or vulgar since they don't know what my "inappropriate" comment was. I hope that makes sense?

Sorry for the long post just wanted to air all this out. I also think its indicative of the kinda person Nicole Norton is but thats just my opinion.


Subject: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults

mark83 wrote:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1077892

5 bad posts from 5 different people. Guess they are all working together to smear your name. I have no dog in this fight but you playing the victim after the posts I've read is absurd.

Just my .02 and all I'll say here so as not to monopolize your For Sale thread.

Mark

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Re: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults
Sent: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:04 am
by HowlinGaleDragon

Bad move I have reported you to Bd.org for Harassment and Slander this dose not fly on this board like it dose in fauna you are not to post on my theads with any attempts to slander me agian and you are not to PM me with any rude comments of any type Thanks.

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Re: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults
Sent: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:32 pm
by mark83

I'm not at all worried. What I said wasn't even close to slander or harassment and wasn't intended as such. I would not nor have ever conducted myself in a rude or inappropriate manner on ANY forum. I certainly wouldn't "PM you rude comments" either. I would never have posted what I did on your thread if you hadn't made comments about issues on the BOI in the thread, I felt that opened it up for discussion. I wont be posting in it again, I will however PM anyone who posts an interest on any of your sell threads and let them know of your reputation on the BOI. I'm sorry if you take this personally but I'm only doing what I think is best. In any case if people read all the info on you they can make there own decision.

Regards,
Mark

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Re: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults
Sent: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:57 pm
by HowlinGaleDragon

The PM you jsut sent me will get you banned from BD.org now I have taken a screen shot and will send it to all mods on this board that is slander harassment and attempting to ruin a business all of which not allowed on this board take it back to Fauna its not welcome him here you really dug yourself a big deep hole

 

[DAND]

It really sickens me that there are other sites that don't care if their membership is screwing others in their membership or the hobby. Personally I think it is kind of a when you would allow someone like nichole to run unchecked. What get's me is her contempt of this site yet she'll post her classifieds here. She is nothing more than a parasite here on this site and in this hobby. Oh if only a dip in some reptile relief would do the trick.

 

[Lucille]

It really sickens me that there are other sites that don't care if their membership is screwing others in their membership or the hobby. Personally I think it is kind of a when you would allow someone like nichole to run unchecked. What get's me is her contempt of this site yet she'll post her classifieds here. She is nothing more than a parasite here on this site and in this hobby. Oh if only a dip in some reptile relief would do the trick.

I agree. Also, I think it is worth pointing out that Nicole is ignorant (slander is 'spoken' so she clearly knows nothing about the law and it is definitely worth mentioning that if one says something that is TRUE it is neither slander nor libel which are required to be both malicious and false.

I do think that it was a serious error on her part to mention Fauna in her diatribe, because the curious will then come on over here and scope out the many posts here that show her for what she really is, and protect the buying public by giving them information on her past dealings.

 

[Iraqvet]

It really sickens me that there are other sites that don't care if their membership is screwing others in their membership or the hobby. Personally I think it is kind of a when you would allow someone like nichole to run unchecked. What get's me is her contempt of this site yet she'll post her classifieds here. She is nothing more than a parasite here on this site and in this hobby. Oh if only a dip in some reptile relief would do the trick.

I wanted to start a patition to get her banned from here...I have seen some of her posts break the rules..It has been proven she has photoshopped pics,has no morals or ethics,and should live amongst animals instead of humans...I think its time we called a spade a spade...Rich you have a great site,I love it..I am sorry to say I think people like her and some of the other thiefs,scammers,and liars here have the ability to bring this place down because they hurt the working man with their antics...They really are not good for this comunity....

 

[zzzdanz]

She's friendly with all the mods on that site, so if you don't go kiss'n her ass there they remove the comments pretty quickly.To me that makes them just as bad as her.Any mention of Fauna over there , and she's yelling for the mods and PMing belly ache'n about slander, abuse, blah blah blah.

That's just a place for her to hide from her self made reputation where she doesn't have to worry about the truth come'n out.It's only a matter of time until she screws that up too.

 

[Marleysbeard]

She's friendly with all the mods on that site, so if you don't go kiss'n her ass there they remove the comments pretty quickly..

I was worried about that. I actually like that forum quite a bit but I'm not a fool and I know how friendships can affect peoples decisions. Although, I haven't been warned or banned so I guess they didn't think what I did was too terrible.

 

[Bill T]

This is in there Fore sale page as a sticky under buyers beware its from there page you should be able to post it under her ads



1. Do your research
While we do not like to have threads here that are just to complain about a transaction with a particular vendor or breeder, there are good resources out there to help you learn more about the experiences others have had with breeders or vendors. One very good resource is provided by Fauna Classifieds.
Good Guy Certification Forum
Board of Inquiry (BOI)

 

[zzzdanz]

Ya can't post that.In typical Nicole fashion,her adds are locked.

 

[Marleysbeard]

Well finally was contacted by a mod, here is what was said and my response:


Re: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults
Sent: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:37 pm
by vickson420

Subject: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults

mark83 wrote:
Inappropriate link and comment removed by Moderator.

It has come to my attention that you posted links to BOI on this thread as well as contacted the OP of this For Sale thread. We have a policy against linking to other sites including BOI on this forum as well as contacting members via PM who do not wish to be contacted. The OP has requested that you no longer contact her in this manner so please refrain from doing so. I do not know who is "right" or wrong or what started this but that really is not of my concern. Please adhere to the forum policies and if you do have an issue with a specific member then it is best to contact a Moderator or the Admin rather then take matters into your own hands. One last thing, it is also against policy to PM members simply to hurt another members reputation. There is a warning placed at the top of the For Sale forum advising all buyers beware and directing them where they may find information on a seller. It is placed there to allow buyers to make their own informed decision without interferance from any other member of this forum.
Any further breaks in the forum policies may result in banning so please keep that in mind when posting.

Thank you,
Vicky


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Re: Looking For Pet Homes - Two Gorgeous Adults
Sent: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:03 pm
by mark83

In my defense I never PM'd her until she PM'd me. I have all my PM's saved and I conducted myself in a respectful and appropriate manner. I would never have PM'd her had she not done so first. She PM'd me twice and I responded once with calm and with respect. I never responded to the second and had no intention of doing so, ever. I could see that her attitude would not allow for a grown up conversation so I left it alone.

Also I was not PM'ing those interested in her animals "just to hurt her reputation" I have no personal issue with her and it seems apparent to me that she is trying to make me look like I'm attacking her when I'm not. I PMed interested parties to advise them to do research on the BOI before making a purchase, and ONLY out of concern after reading her posts in the BOI. This is not something I decided to do after she sent me her threatening PM's but before I even received them. I also did this with "alphadog" aka Ed Clark who has a absolutely horrid reputation. Again only out of concern for those BD.org members who might buy there dragons and end up on the BOI with there own problem. I have no personal issues with anyone on any forum I attend and I don't attack people or hold grudges. I'm deeply upset that Nicole has put forth so much effort to make me look like a bad guy thats attacking her and PM'ing her unwanted messages. Do I not have the right to respond by PM to her PM? She didn't say not too. She can twist things all she wants but the fact is I have full proof of EVERY word that was said between us and I posted it on the BOI so everyone can see that I'M not a bad guy.

I will not, as I said in the BOI before I received your message, be communicating with her ever again in any way shape or form. I believe she is out to make anyone who sheds light on her business practices and attitude look like they are attacking her and get them in trouble.

Would I be allowed to PM members to remind them to check people out on the BOI if I keep it totally general and mention no specific breeders or names? I don't see how that could be wrong or violating rules in any way shape or form but your in charge so let me know. I will ask other moderators as well just to get an overall opinion on that and whats gone on between me and Nicole.

Thanks for your message, I really do enjoy this forum and hope to continue using it in the same respectful and helpful manner I always have.

Mark

 

[Marleysbeard]

Nicole: "you are not to PM me with any rude comments of any type Thanks"

Vickson420: "...contacting members via PM who do not wish to be contacted. "

That probably irritates me more than anything else honestly. I never PM'd her a single rude comment. The ONE time I PM'd her was in response to her PM which never said not to PM her back only to not PM her rude comments, which I never did. I think its obvious she is lying to the mod about what really happened. Sad that the mod doesn't get the facts straight before PM'ing me. She doesn't care about right and wrong so I'm automatically guilty.. Nice.

 

[Mistyck]

It's best not to pm Nicole or get involved with her on BD.org. She will tattle to the mods on you. Also the mods aren't the ones that cater to here over there, they answer the "Thread reports" that come in. It can be from another member, or herself that reports a thread. As in that case I know you violated website policies by posting anything about the BOI, or any other websites in her ad, as did she. She shouldn't have brought it up in the first place in that ad, and you shouldn't have continued it in your response.

My thoughts on BD.org is that, if you don't want her contacting you any longer put her on your "Foes" list and block her. She is there to stay and will whine and cry like a little girl, tattling on anyone she deems fit. While I don't agree with her selling her stock there, or posting there period, she has just as much right to be there as she does here. Until she does something utterly stupid, (heaven forbid that happen...or be brought to light ), she will be allowed to continue to post there and sell what stock she has.

BD.org is a good resource for beardie care, and if you want to stay a part of that forum, you have to adhere to their rules to the "T". I'm a member there, and I don't post much anymore, but I do go through threads and respond when I deem fit. The mods don't have a clique over there, and don't defend certain people just because they can. They actually follow Alex's (Website owner/admin) rules that he has set in place. If you have any questions in the future about what's allowed to be posted and what's not, please pm a mod and they will gladly help you out.

 

[Southern Wolf]

And its sites like this that will allow the scammers and bad business to flourish. They dont want to protect their members.