Having trouble with Kingsnake.com Help Please!! Sorry, kind of long

Okay, I assumed this was going to happen so I want to run it by you folks to hear your thoughts. Rich, I know this ad may be misplaced but it's truely a post to let people know the woes of dealing with kingsnake.com

I've been giving them my money for 5 years now and while I'm sure they no longer need it as bad they could at least pretend to want me as a customer.

I started seeing all of the supply ads that are basicly playing on people lack of time to find a good price or the correct use of a product. Many, like DCL selling liners at $30 when you can buy them from the same place he does for under $10 just tick me off. I would rather see people spend this money on their reptiles then his advertising. Then other like Pro Exotics selling Virosan pre mixed to people for $5 a pop just tick me off because it's a product that loses effectiveness after being mixed and should be mixed each time you use it, once mixed the shelf life is short. I don't want to see people buying something on a claim and having the seller make money on something that will no longer meet that claim.

So what I did was offer the information for free to people. For some very odd reason that went over less then well and it was suggested I charge for it so the general public didn't have access to it. I was fine with that but don't want to make money so I thought I would ask for a donation to keep adding to the list and bringing people betting info.

As such I posted an ad on kingsnake.com and got tagged hard with a warning from none other then Jeff.

Now, I've been less then happy with him and his selective sensoring of ads. Seems 10 of my ads were removed for things I see people doing EVERY DAY, big name people. Things like posting an ad in the Colubrid section and mentioning the Boa you have for sale. None of these ads get removed but then again this situation with me comes down to bottom dollar.

Well, here's what I think. I think that Jeff got a few emails from people pissed about my information and found a reason to remove the ads. I think he's looking at it like he'd rather give me the boot (reason or not) then have 10 people upset. My thoughts are that he's only worried about the mighty dollar and will kick me off no matter how I do things from here on out be them right or wrong.

If he does kick me off he's basicly stole my money, I just want this post out there before he does and rest assured he will. Now's the time for me to see if he'll go by his morals or his wallet. I have a lot I would like to say about kingsnake but I'll stop at this for now till I see how things pan out, anyway.

I was going to post another ad "selling a list" with this information and wanted to ask if you can see anything in the TOS saying I couldn't do that? If so do you have any ideas how I can post this info in the supplies section?

No
You may NOT sell a list.
Once again that is advertising for other businesses
If it shows up your gone.

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Just got this email, that blows that idea, any others?

Okay I'm done! If you have anything to add to this or about kingsnake.com please feel free to speak your mind.

Thanks a lot,
Adam Block

PS Did you know you're not allowed to use a ! in your kingsnake.com ads? Says you can't do anything to "draw attention" to your ads.

PPS Rich, you know I want, need (and owe) to give you a public I'm sorry! No matter what you stick to your guns and haven't let money change your morals. It's nice to know you can't be bought and I would be more then happy to help you if you ever need anything.

Well, I guess an email questioning his motive was all it took. We'll see if the refund comes, if not Jeff has stole my money as I hadn't posted another ad that violated (well, I didn't even have time to place another) TOS after he warned me.

Thanks for reading anyway,
Adam Block

Your account has been terminated.

Your refund for the balance of your account services
is enroute via whatever methodology you paid us with.

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Sorry forgot to add that.

Accually you can use a !, they sent out an email a while ago saing one ! is aok.

As far as the other things you mentioned, read there terms of service. I did after they pulled an ad of mine.

Corey

If you were warned then why push it? From your post here it looks more like you wanted to play games with them, if they told ya not to do it then STOP! As far as other people getting away with it, it will catch up to them in time.

I don't want to see people buying something on a claim and having the seller make money on something that will no longer meet that claim.

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So you post an ad that bashes the sellers product, thats inteligent. Its one thing to post a competing ad and another to slam someone within the classified sections whether you like their product or not.

Many, like DCL selling liners at $30 when you can buy them from the same place he does for under $10 just tick me off.

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Its called buisness, maybe you dont like it but thats what makes this economy go round. I dont completly like that either but its their right in a free market. To be honest with you, maybe its the costumer service they are willing to pay the extra for how do you know that people dont know where to get it cheaper? Using you as an example I would rather pay $3 each for water nozels and get the service and know they will be here, when I need them then pay you less and get your service. Also I gotta ask how many other people did you take for ever to ship their products to, like you did with me? Maybe they got feed up with the complaints about you? They have pulled several of my ads, I asked why they told me, no problem, I didnt bitch of whine I changed the ad to fit their TOS and moved on. Kingsnake has always been very strick about keeping their site clean. I respect that, if you would too, maybe youd still be allowed to post.

Many, like DCL selling liners at $30 when you can buy them from the same place he does for under $10 just tick me off.

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Also I gotta ask how can you be so sure they are even selling any. For all you know these products you say are over priced may be sitting on a shelf collecting dust. So was this all for nothing?

Too bad. Had you posted sooner I think you would have gotten some helpful advise, at this point it is probably too late. I think at this point Jeff uses "time" as a scale to judge the merits of a complaint. It is alot easier to delete your ad(which could very easily be offensive) than to try to justify the merit of them to half a dozen people that may have complained. You should have read the "writing on the wall", cause you know you saw it. Good luck.

Adam.... once again.... you're an IDIOT!.... What is wrong with you?.... Obviously, you LIKE to cause problems for everyone! Well, as you can see.... Jeff won't stand for it!.... And, I don't blame him one bit!.... You knew damned well that what you did wasn't allowed, yet you tried everything you could to skirt the TOS, and it bit you in the butt!.... Look on the bright side.... now, you WON'T have to worry about if it's legal or not!.... If you want to be an Asshxxx.... you'll be treated like one!
Mind your own business!.... Oh yeah, I forgot.... you don't even know how to do THAT, huh???.... NOW, let's see how fast you sell your sippers.... good luck!
Just for the record.... seeing as you like to bitch about others' products.... why are you charging $99.99 for Ranco Thermostats, when you can buy them for $54 SHIPPED from Pondside Herp Supplies???.... and that's with the thermostat already being WIRED UP!.... I bet you'd have LOVED seeing an ad on KS about that, wouldn't you??.... What goes around, comes around!.... Enjoy your Holiday season!

....Neil

1. Your point about people either not knowing how to find a product or not taking the time to find the product at a lower price is "pointless". In America 1/2 of what all retailers sell is convienence. People are working two jobs to pay for housing, etc and time is a commodity now.

2. I'm amazed at people that work against the system and then acted "put out" when it bites them in the a$$. You see it here all the time. Webslave puts a warning about a post saying it will be deleted. The poster screams he'll do what he wants and then cries when the post is deleted.

Neil,

Glad to see you support Pndside Herp Supplies. John is a fellow New Hampshirite and his prices are fantastic. I've bought a lot of stuff from him and he's a great guy to deal with. I don't even have to pay the shipping since I always pay a visit in person!

I've just purchased a product from a well known and well respected dealer and when it arrived and I found out where it really came from I was angry. Not with them but with myself for not checking into something so obvious. Was I going to run out and place an add saying that you can buy them cheaper somewhere else. No, its my fault for not checking. I did considered running an ad undercutting their price by $10.00 but its not worth it.

Bottom line. People are free to charge whatever they want for a product as long as they are not misrepresenting it. If someone falls for the higher price, its their fault not the vendor.

The first thing that came to my mind was " maybe people are willing to pay higher prices to get the product shipped to them in a timely fashion" but that would be foolish now wouldn't it.

Steve Schindler

Maybe I am confused

Surely I did not understand your original post to be complaining about broad range retail prices in a capitalistic society? Who ever it is that is selling a liner for 30 that you can purchase for 10 is practicing free enterprise. Thats how a profit is made. I buy 10 daggers for $200.00 from an internet supplier anyone can find then sell them at a Ren Faire for $45 to $50 each. What are people paying the extra $25 per dagger for? For my effort in finding the supplier, for my overhead, for my effort in squeezing into that silly costume at the fair, and for the great feeling of buying a dagger at the Ren Fair......and maybe talking the lady into giving you a "Special" discount.....you only paid $45 for that $50 dagger!

It's free enterprise Adam. It's what our society is based on. Thats why a "Monopoly" (SP?) is illegal.........so that the customer can choose to shop for a better deal...........the key word is CHOOSE, the customer can also choose to pay $30 for a $10 liner, or $50 for a $10 knife (That the guy I bought it from got for about $3 each from his pakistan supplier)

LMAO!!!! I am still laughing at this thread. Once again Adam you have shown your arrogance and lack of respect for anyone but yourself. In that one email you said to me.

Not have the guts to address the issue first hand and go to the BOI so you have some backup

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First off I don’t need back up, everyone in here is entitled to his or her own opinion. Then you started that thread here with my name in header and called me a whiner. I was one of your customers, calling one of your customers a whiner in a public place like this is business suicide. Then you pull a stunt like this with Kingsnake and think people are going to back you. I didn’t even see the ads Neil is talking about but man you got some nerve. In any event your really digging your own grave here lately. Neil see this is how he treats his customers, this was an email I received from him when he started that thread, because he didnt like what I said.

Just to clear the air it was exactly 14 days from the time you sent payment to the day I sent. I see that you have a hard time keeping issues in the correct place and if you have an issue do one of three things in the following order.

1) What a self respecting man would do and address the issue with me. Either a phone call or an email would do the job. I sent you extra sipper tubes to make up for the delay but I see that didn't help.

2) Not have the guts to address the issue first hand and go to the BOI so you have some backup.

3) Place little misleading comments in topics that don't apply to myself like a child trying to play a little game.

If you don't have any issue with #3 keep doing it I however would rather see you start a thread. As a matter of fact I think I'll start a bad guy thread right now so you don't have to. Okay I just started it so now you have a place to whine.

Thanks a lot,
Adam Block

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Is Too Funny...

Neil,

I saw your posted and found it funny as you know what. I often disagree with you but that was too funny.

Now my comments. I was going to buy one of there temp guns (P.E.) for 75.00 but decided to look around. Well i looked and found the same thing at Radio Shack for 30.00. Bottom line, if you don't research or price compare then you get what you get. I pay for the product and the ease of getting it. If someone chooses to spend 30.00 for some paper to line a cage so be it. Personally i think it crazy but it's there money to use as they please.
That's all folks.....

Just for the record, there are people making a comfortable living on Ebay doing just the sort of thing this thread is talking about. Is there anything wrong with it? Not in my book. If BUYERS want something at the price they see it advertised at, then they have every right to be that way.

I once bought a set of collets for my milling machine on Ebay and thought I had paid a real good price for them based on the minor bit of reseach I did. The VERY NEXT DAY I got a flyer in the mail showing the same exact things for sale for about $50 cheaper.

Sears has a real nasty habit of putting ANYTHING I buy on sale the week after I buy it. So lately I hold off making a purchase waiting for the sale. But you know what? I am STILL waiting on some things. How long should I wait?

You can run yourself into the ground trying to seek out the absolutely cheapest price that exists in the universe. Who is to say which method is the smartest utilization of your free time? Buy the first offer that has an acceptable price to it and be done with it, or spend HOURS trying to find that elusive 'better deal'? I see this at the grocery store where people are spending $1 worth of time to try to save 10 cents.

As often happens in this board you all missed the point by a long shot. Neil, you violate TOS on kingsnake.com every post I've seen you make with ads selling animals of all different groups in the same post.

Then I get a bunch of you (like Neil) telling me that they can find the products cheaper? That they won't buy from me? Well, that's the point! To find people the cheapest place to get these items. That's why I asked people if they had a cheaper place to buy them to let me know and I would get it up.

I would rather see people spend their money on reptiles then supplies. You're all correct though, this is America and the one rule that has always taken care of my family is to never underestamate the lazyness of People.

As for Kingsnake.com, I didn't push anything. I've been using it since alterna.com (how many of you've been around that long) and never looked over TOS again after getting my first account to sell. it's now grown into a huge thing and it wasn't in the past. In any event, I was given a warning about a couple of things in the post so I was going to change them. I didn't repost the same ad and asked what would be okay to post.

Jeff's little ego was offended by the emails so you deleted my account and stole my money despite me taking heed.

Thanks for reading and I'm sorry you all spent so much time typing about something you misunderstood, I should have been more clear in my first post.

Thanks a lot,
Adam Block

PS You guys keep posting about you wouldn't buy anything from me. You can stop as I'm not selling anything. I won't be breeding any reptiles or selling supplies for at least two years if ever.

PPS Here's a link to that info:
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/impactreptiles/supplies.html

Am I reading things right here? Do some people think is right to charge whatever they will for a product based on the ignorance of the buyer? I certainly hope I'm wrong.

No I think that's what it's starting to look like here. As long as it's called free enterprise and not charging too much or anything else it seems to be okay.

The people that have used the information are happy but the people selling the items in the list aren't that's for sure. I've been upset with Jeff at kingsnake.com before but on this one he was just dying to cancel my account.

Still no refund, I do what he says and stop posting the ad and he cancels my account still because he doesn't like that I posted on here. He has STOLE my money and is as bad as they come in this business if you ask me. Here's his email right after you canceled my account.

Thank you for accsuing me of it publicy beforehand.

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The reason he canceled my account is basicly because you didn't like me or my post and not because I did something wrong after being warned. He's a theif in my eyes and is keeping my money to make a point.

Good point alvaro, glad somebody sees this for what it is.

Adam Block

If your eyes see it then your seeing it right. You can call it ignorant if you like. If you don't price shop whos fault is it if you pay more for something. If you alvaro sell a snake to someone and a week later they contact you saying you charged them more than another seller are you going to refund the difference? That's what i thought. Until this becomes a communist country people have the right to charge what they want. If you don't like their price buy from someone who has a better price. If people are too lazy to shop around then they have no one to blame but themselves. By the way your right not wrong...

Snakes are different because quality of the animal comes into play but I see your point. And now you see mine. People can charge what they want and if somebody buy something cheaper they will. If I'm letting people know how to get the items cheaper for free you know I'm going to come under fire. And I have, thanks God I don't mind as I knew this was going to happen from day one.

Adam Block