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  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

A little touchy over at Reptile Haven's site

Hey Alan...that's a thought...but see that little button at the top of your keyboard that says "print screen"? click that and then paste it into any graphics program. There is no way to protect photos from theft...I don't consider this case to be theft though...just misuse. Who owned the rights was never in question. Berger gave me full credit for them...but he still should have asked...and as well, I should have asked Megan and Morti before I spouted out permission to leave them. They didn't like it so I had to revoke the permission....which was my right.

I am not so bothered by Rich's lack of action especially since it was respectfully (considering all that has been going on) taken care of by the Bergers. It just hit me all wrong that he was rude to Megan.
 
The mods at one site do not allow anyone to type "HE double L" on their website but yet have the nerve to come to another website and call the owner of it an a-hole.
That is a double standard.
 
WHOA brett, I can hear that whip a crackin' way out here on the west coast. Happy trails little buckeroo. I wonder if you'll EVER get in the saddle?

Wes Pollock
 
But just for you Brett, I'll alter the URLs. I apologize for not asking permission to make fun of you.
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And no, Webslave, if you were paying attention to what goes on in and at your site, you would realize the pics host site was not changed, but that the pics urls were altered by the ones that chose to use them without permission.
 
i think calling this a draw is due

ok so out of this entire thread we have learned the following things :
  • admin's & mod will treat THEIR site differently then others will
  • we are only HUMAN
  • each site has its own level of wordy derd filters !
  • THE PICTURES ARE BACK WHERE THEY BELONG
  • name calling gets no one ANYWHERE but pissed at each other
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    • and i have very limited knowledge of the working of web programming !!!
    :dunce:

    so i think its best that we all go about doing what we were doing before we got sidetracked doing what were doing !!!
    anyone wanna help cleaning up da POOPIE!!!
 
Ed,

Maybe if you read MY post a little better, you would see that I said your analogy broke down, not because the cops wouldn't respond in your scenario, but rather how they would react once they got there.

Rich responded to Megan's request immediately. He just didn't react the way she/Brett/you wanted him to do. Too bad. If she had simply registered like he asked, this would all have been forgone.



Brett,

Are you questioning Rich's interest/knowledge in women now? That was totally lame on your part. He's been married for a long time to the same woman. My wife and I have been together for quite a while too, so I can tell you, long-time married men do know something about women...and keeping them happy. So, as someone married to his highschool sweetheart for nearly 18 years now, let me just offer you this bit of advice:

It's OK to be wrapped around her finger, Pal. Just don't let it warp your backbone so much that you can no longer admit when you were wrong!

It's been fun . . .
 
Rich poked...I poked back...I have no knowledge of his relationships or even his sexual preference. Nor do I care. At the same time, YOU have no idea what goes on here in my home either. So your advice is a stab in the dark at best. Megan didn't demand or even ask me to do anything. She attempted to handle it herself and I took up for her when she was treated with disrespect. If this makes me spineless so be it. A man that won't stand up for his girl is what I would call spineless.
 
So in other words Darin,
the heck with legalities, I want MEMBERS is what the Fauna and the BOI is all about?

Gee.. and all this time I thought it was for making wrongs right...

Webslave would STILL not have handled it even if she signed up and made a post. That much is evident by his lack of concern that his site was displaying pics that were admittedly stolen by the poster of the pics in that same thread.
A few posts later, the total permissions were revoked, which IS the owners rights.


Steve,
that was a copy of an email.
And it was already stated by a mod that they don't really care what language is used here....
Every site has its own set of rules of what is acceptable and not.
This one varies from RH/RTB in that respect.
Webslave posted the email, on his site and since some language is allowed here, then it is acceptable.
 
Steve,
that was a copy of an email.
And it was already stated by a mod that they don't really care what language is used here....
Every site has its own set of rules of what is acceptable and not.
This one varies from RH/RTB in that respect.
Webslave posted the email, on his site and since some language is allowed here, then it is acceptable

So, ed, then what you are saying is that it's ok to follow the rules of whatever site you're on, you can cuss and swear here even though you don't there because it's allowed here? If that is what you're saying, and it is a double standard, then what is your problem with Rich doing as he sees fit on his site?

Oh, and by the way ed, are you the mouse in Rich's pocket that you KNOW what he would and would not do even before he does? Very interesting, that trick is.

Do you prophesy and well? Will that comet really hit the earth? What stocks should I buy this week? Hey, is my boa really a het? You, who can read minds, must surely know the answer to this last and most important question.

Let me know, I'm really curious about the above.

Wes Pollock
 
I can't find any unbeaten flesh on this dead horse to beat anymore. Springer is on...I'm gonna go watch some real drama now. Peace.
 
It is acceptable to post as set forth in the rules and such of each site that you are posting on.

IF you could register a thought while reading, you will see that the double standard is the legalities issue AND that the webslave does NOT sign his full name on every post he makes on the BOI forum.
As the rules for that forum dictate.

This forum is provided exclusively for the discussion of specific persons or businesses in the herp industry.
YOUR FULL NAME is required for each message you post.
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And it is quite obvious that webslave only wanted to add one more name to the registered members list.
Apparently it is all he sought in this matter.
To heck with the legalities after permissions were revoked AND it was stated quite clearly in the picture post that the pics were taken from another site, not owned by the poster of that individual post.

So, ed, then what you are saying is that it's ok to follow the rules of whatever site you're on, you can cuss and swear here even though you don't there because it's allowed here?
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If the rules do not say otherwise AND a mod of a site states they are more leniant in that area, then yes, it is acceptable to do on that particular site.

I however do not curse here nor there, or any site for that matter.
I see no need to.
 
Ed, that is pure sophistry, and I think you know it! Legalities are not in question here concerning Rich for two reasons: 1) It is not illegal for him to refuse to delete a picture, when the request was made by someone who had no right to request the deletion, and 2) there was nothing illegal about the situation to begin with, because the pictures were used with full credit being established! When the OWNER of the pictures said that they were to be removed, they were. If they had not been, however, I highly doubt that there would have been any recourse on Rich for simply refusing to undo what someone else had done!

Finally, I say it again, if Megan had simply complied with the simple request Rich made of her, he said he intended to do her the favor. You say his latter actions tell a different story, but that is an assumption on your part, and it is beneath you to make such, Ed. The fact is we will never know how Rich might have responded to Megan, if she weren't too busy to help him do her that favor (other than his word, and that ought to be good enough, given his history). Megan didn't let him help her in the final analysis, and now her boyfriend wants to beat his chest over the deal. Fine, but it carries no real weight.
 
ed, still waiting to hear about my boa being a het or not being as how you can read minds.

Also, webslave and Rich Z. post as different entities. There is a thread on this, do a search and find it, or since you are so good at it, read Rich's mind and see how he differentiates the two.

Wes Pollock
 
As to the "Rich violates his own TOS by not posting his real name on the BOI when he post as the WebSlave," argument, that just shows your ignorance, Ed.

First, it is HIS site, and the TOS says that "YOUR FULL NAME" is required, meaning all others have to comply with HIS rules. I require everyone entering my house to ring the doorbell or knock, but that doesn't mean you'll find ME doing that!

Second, Rich posts as WebSlave only when he is not setting forth his own opinions as an individual breeder/business owner. When he does that, he posts using his actual name. He wears these two hats to try to separate out his personality from his Admin duties. Obviously a 100% separation is impossible, but that was his rationale for doing what he does.
 
Here's the fun part..

True, I am psychic, but ya gots to have something to read first man!
(you left that door wide open ... ) :D

As for the two personalities, rules are rules.


with, because the pictures were used with full credit being established! When the OWNER of the pictures said that they were to be removed, they were.
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I already covered the issue of the pics being removed in an earlier thread.
Your assignment today is to -

#1. get more coffeee.
#2. re-read the entire thread until you have a complete comprehension of everything that everyone has posted in every post on this thread.
#3. get more coffee.
 
Ed, I have stood by you on the whole Lori Kehoe deal, because you were in the right on that. However, you're wrong on this one. I'm sorry you can't see it, but now you're just posting irrational things that make no sense whatsoever. Anyway, the point is moot because the pics are off the site. Later --
 
#4. Ritchie... man.. you frequent both sites enough to know who Bretts fiance is and that the Bergs didn't own the pics.
A simple PM or post to webslave could have vouched for who the complainer was, afterall, she mailed you first..
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I did not know who Meagan is. In fact I thought those were pictures of Michelle. Dnonnie's wife. and I wondered to myself why she looks so different. I did not know Brett has a Fiancee' (congratulations by the way, married life is wonderful, you will enjoy it)

When she e-mailed me....I told her to e-mail Rich Webslave.
She then e-mailed webslave.
Webslave told her what needed to be done. ( he wanted to cover his back side and not just go deleting some person's stuff)
She did not want to do it.
Webslave asked me who she was.
I told him she was a Fiancee of one of the posters
And while all this was transpiring....the pics were removed by the original poster. You all gotta give it some time. I might look like I am on the computer 24/7 but I am really not. You all gotta give it sometime. All he wanted was public validation before removing them. meagan decided it was not worth her time. Well if it was not worth her time....then it sure isn't worth mine or anyone elses.

All in all, it was handled somewhat poorly by the admins and mods..
The pics should have been removed at the first complaint since it was already established that the poster did not own the pics.
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I will give you the fact it was established that the pics did not belong to the poster. if you give me the fact that the owner said it was all good. Why should I go remove a pic that someone is complaining about (someone I do not remember ever corresponding with) when the owner is right here saying it is okay.

here is a little story.
Guy A takes a picture of a snake (he now owns the picture)
Guy B buys the snake...he now owns the snake.
Guy A and Guy B are fighting.
Guy A decides to post HIS pictures.
Guy B decides to complain to RTB that the pictures of the snake in their pages does not belong to guy A.
RTB/Reptile haven shuts down Guy A's account before they even investigated.
In the end it was proven guy A owned the pics and he was caused an inconvenience because some GUY B wanted to complain that pictures of his snake are being posted on the web..........ring any bells? Let me put some real names.


I think it was some guy named Tim ( not sure). He takes a picture of a snake. Joe Polanco ends up buying the snake.
Joe and Tim are having a fight.
Tim was posting his pictures.
Joe Polanco decides to complain....after all he owned the snake.
Tim's account was locked before the investigation even took place.
Finally in the end...it ws proven that the pictures belonged to Tim.
And we have even more pages on Fauna to add to the drama.... all because someone decided to lock something before investigating.

So do not compare apples to oranges with this pictures being posted and someone calling the cops.

compare pictures to pictures.

If someone enters my house. Do I shoot him first? or do I investigate first? because he could be a cop. he could be a land lord. he could be the gas man or the mail man. or it could be a very cute SHE.

The owner of the pictures says it is okay.
But I have to tear everything down because some girl I have never heard of before (or at least do not remember of hearing of) decides to have them deleted? I know Brett. Brett says it is okay. Then I have some girl I never heard of saying no it is not. I will take Brett's word before I take anyone else that I do not know.

RTB locked down the guy's account before the outcome of the investigation was reached. And caused someone an inconvenience.

Webslave mearly asked her to register and post to cover his backside.

But since you were aware of the thread and that the pics were not the posters properties, then it is clear to everyone here that it is OK for you to violate the laws on intelectual property by having taken NO actions prior to the Url change on the pics..

Double standard if you ask me...

Steal from everyone else, just don't steal from me, quoteth the webslave..
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I guess everyone decided to forget about a couple litlle facts.
Fact #1 The owner of the pic. The owner of the copyrights decided it was all okay. No harm no foul.

FACT # 2 Once he revoked the permission....the pictures disappeared. It does not matter how they disappeard...the point is they disappeared.
 
Did someone say they were gonna call WIPO?

You see whole pages of fauna. WHOLE PAGES of it. are on someone else's server. I complained to his provider. his provider says they can't do anything until WIPO launches an investigation.

So I contact WIPO and get the following.

I would like to inform you that the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is an intergovernmental organization whose main tasks are to administer international conventions and cooperate with its Member States in promoting intellectual property protection.

WIPO has, however, no mandate to give legal assistance to private persons or entities in resolving their specific matters. For such assistance, I recommend that you consult a practicing lawyer who is specialized in copyright.

General information on copyright, which WIPO provides, is available on our homepage at: <http://www.wipo.int/copyright/en/index.html>.

Sincerely yours,




Boris Kokin
Senior Legal Counsellor
Copyright Law Division
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In other words...everyone passes the buck.

The pictures are gone.

I say WE ALL. Meaning ALL of US could have handled this better.
But EVERYONE refuses to see it. and EVERYONE says it is SOMEONE else's fault. Meanwhile NOONE is willing to take the blame.

Well I will take the blame. At least the part of it that I could have done better. Don't know what that is...but hey...if it will end it so be it. I will take the darn blame.
 
No way Ritchie...
I think that many on this thread, including myself, share the blame here.

We all said our points, good bad or great.
We just don't know when to quit sometimes.

Movin on now.
 
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