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Valley Dragons said:
Sammy, I didn't intentially leave anything out. What are you referring to? I just clicked on the bearded dragon page and read that. What is the main thing that he breeds? Sorry, I guess I am ignorant concerning this issue. I am not trying to be an ass.

Jamie
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Years of only breeding the hardy ones that survived the winters in his unheated greenhouses. As well as not inbreeding.

I think that should speak for itself. Its called selective breeding for better health.
 
Valley Dragons said:
Well, that's good to hear! It gives me a little hope. You'd be surprised at how many people refuse to plop down a mere $40 to buy a normal-looking, extremely healthy, fast-growing dragon. I hate to say it, but that is one thing that cannot be argued - the normals and normal crosses are in my experience stronger animals. I think more peole should focus on crossing out for size, strength, and vigor and not put so much emphasis on how colorful the dragon is.

Jamie
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lol,i actually agree with something you said! :)
 
Hello

Hello,

Yes, selective breeding for no color just hardiness is the best way to go. That speaks for itself for sure. I totally agree there.

Tracie
 
What I find funny though is look at the color of the beardie on his website. This dragon is outside and we all know how dark they can get when they are outside....can you imagine the color this beardie is when he's NOT soaking up the sun??? And this is what's called normal?
 
whiskersmom said:
What I find funny though is look at the color of the beardie on his website. This dragon is outside and we all know how dark they can get when they are outside....can you imagine the color this beardie is when he's NOT soaking up the sun??? And this is what's called normal?
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From what I have been told, the website has not been updated in many, many years. He has since stopped breeding high-color american dragons. I am sure that is a very, very old picture.

Jamie
 
shrap said:
Years of only breeding the hardy ones that survived the winters in his unheated greenhouses. As well as not inbreeding.

I think that should speak for itself. Its called selective breeding for better health.
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Sammy, congrats on your eventual new dragons!

and

Bert just rocks, plain and simple! i dont think i could find one person who could argue that!

His animals prove what true breeding is all about, like you said, For the betterment of the species as a whole ^_- thats what everyone should strive for
 
Valley Dragons said:
From what I have been told, the website has not been updated in many, many years. He has since stopped breeding high-color american dragons. I am sure that is a very, very old picture.

Jamie
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It's not that his website hasn't been updated for a very long time, you were just reading his history. He's an open book and wants everyone to read how he started out. That is not a very old picture. That is what a true Bearded Dragon with no inbreeding going on looks like.

I know someone who has actually seen his reptiles in person and I was told that what you see in that pic doesn't do them justice.
 
Hello

Hello,

The closer that we can come to the original Barbata stock, the better off we will be. Those dragons, well, they are incredible. I am pretty sure that most of the pogona species have derived from that original species, as they are the largest species out of the Pogona family.

Tracie
 
whiskersmom said:
What I find funny though is look at the color of the beardie on his website. This dragon is outside and we all know how dark they can get when they are outside....can you imagine the color this beardie is when he's NOT soaking up the sun??? And this is what's called normal?
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whiskersmom said:
It's not that his website hasn't been updated for a very long time, you were just reading his history. He's an open book and wants everyone to read how he started out. That is not a very old picture. That is what a true Bearded Dragon with no inbreeding going on looks like.

I know someone who has actually seen his reptiles in person and I was told that what you see in that pic doesn't do them justice.
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If you knew this, then why did you ask about the color?

Jamie
 
I had questioned whether or not Bert selected for color. I was told that he did not. Then Sherri made her post concerning the bright colors of the dragon pictured on his website. I thought she was suggesting that he bred for color. So I told her what I had been told - that he no longer breeds for color, that his website has not been updated, and that picture is probably old. So I was confused when she made her last post...

Jamie
 
Valley Dragons said:
Perhaps I misunderstood the point that she was trying to make when she was discussing the bright color of the dragon.

Jamie
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i think she was saying it because they are so bright in the sun naturally, that they must be even brighter if kept inside?
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
i think she was saying it because they are so bright in the sun naturally, that they must be even brighter if kept inside?
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You're probably right. I initially took it as a negative comment. I thought she was questioning if he really bred normals or not. Sorry, my mistake!

Jamie
 
Valley Dragons said:
Perhaps I misunderstood the point that she was trying to make when she was discussing the bright color of the dragon.

Jamie
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yes,she was just asking a theoretical question regarding how beautiful it looked outside,so it would look even brighter inside
 
With Bert color is a bonus. It is not a priority and never takes precedence over breeding hardy healthy animals.
 
i think she was saying it because they are so bright in the sun naturally, that they must be even brighter if kept inside?
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That is what I thought she meant
 
Hello

Hello,

The normal morphs if they are centrals' origin, or barbatas, they tend to be darker in color. They can literally turn black when outside, I mean, black as coal. They lighten up when they go inside, but are still greyish in color.

Tracie
 
Drache613 said:
Hello,

The normal morphs if they are centrals' origin, or barbatas, they tend to be darker in color. They can literally turn black when outside, I mean, black as coal. They lighten up when they go inside, but are still greyish in color.

Tracie
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That is how my Sydney is. He is coal black when we take him outside, but gray when he is inside.
 
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