About the BOI and it's future here...

[ajc]

Hey Rich,

I'm just going to put something out there. Have you considered making this a "review" website where only the original poster and the seller can post to a topic? Much like eBay's buyer/seller feedback system. It's not perfect either, but at least your website wouldn't be made to look like a circus side show.

I didn't want to say it, but you've already acknowledged the fact that most of the bigger names in this hobby do avoid this website. They avoid it because a lot of them say the BOI has gotten is like the Jerry Springer Show of the reptile industry. Like the television show, the BOI is full of losers, with nothing better to do because they have no life, who show up just so they can give their opinions about things that have nothing to do with them. In short, they love a fight and they're all out of stuff to fight about in their own lives.

I think fixing this aspect will slowly gain back the respect of the breeders who run real businesses...and face it, you need THEIR support if you're going to make any money at this.

I actually have a competitor (who I also consider a friend), who has a clause in his terms that states all warranties/guarantees are VOID if the customer should post about a problem on the internet. He has a great reputation too, and I think that speaks volumes for the number of people who flat out abuse the BOI....and for the way honest business owners cringe at the thought of having to defend themselves here.

I've also had a larger breeder friend of mine (who also has a great reputation) tell me that I'm crazy for running banner ads here. He said it makes as much sense as a taxi cab company recruiting drivers at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting...not exactly the ideal target audience. Sometimes, I think he's right...and to be honest, there have been times when I swore I'd never run another banner ad here.

In my opinion, it's the BOI regulars (or ABUSERS) who have put you in this position. These regulars rarely have anything useful to add, and in most cases, their comments only detract from the value of a site like this. They just get a kick out of getting to play judge and jury...the power to ruin someone's business, especially someone they're jealous of, is intoxicating to them.

I am not a "paid contributor" or whatever, because I make it a point to not post here unless I have to. But I continue to support this site through banner advertising (spending FAR more money than a "contributor" badge would cost me) because I do believe it's a good idea...even though I know full well that good people can and do get screwed regularly on the BOI.

And I also agree with the point made by someone else...asking users to pay for this site isn't the answer. Obviously...that just compounds the problem (less traffic, less reason for someone like me to advertise). Don't take it personally, though...forum websites with a "pay to post" business model typically fail, that's nothing unique to your website.

Seems to me, making this part of your website more like eBay's feedback system would only upset the idiots that you want to get rid of anyway...kind of a win-win.

Not trying to knock you or your opinions or ideas...just putting my thoughts out there, just in case it might help you make the best decision for your family and for the people who utilize the BOI properly. As a fellow small business owner, I'd sure like to see you turn this thing around and make this site pay for your retirement.

Best of luck in whatever you choose.

-Anthony

 

[Lucille]

Have you considered making this a "review" website where only the original poster and the seller can post to a topic?

Your post obviously took time and effort, so I'm going to add my time to respond to some of it. Sometimes the problem with a review, is that some of them are fake. Someone will post or have posted a bad review of a competitor just to make him look bad. Someone will post a good review of a friend because they are buddies, not because the deal actually was anything out of the ordinary.

If everyone told the truth, the review system would be fine. Heck, if everyone told the truth, we wouldn't need the review system because buyers and sellers would deal with each other in an ethical manner. But, they don't always do that.

And sometimes, it isn't a matter of not telling the truth. Sometimes, things go wrong, the is a shipping disaster, a miscommunication, etc.

This is where the value of those who add their opinion comes in. There are many with years and decades of experience who can suggest solutions to a deal gone wrong. There are many that by their questions, can help out a scammer who was posing as some virtous party.


So far, a process to help bring out the facts, and then letting those who read decide, is the best we have.

Sometimes I wonder at the motive of those who avoid coming here. Yes, there are times the system is abused, but it is obvious that as a whole it works well, which is why so many people check the BOI prior to making a purchase. Could it be that some would like customers to be like sheep, and just fork over their hard earned money, and not have to worry if something goes wrong for the customer?

There is no doubt that there are scammers out there. There is no doubt that there are business people who make honest errors.
The BOI sysem including the comments by readers, helps separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[shrap]

Hey Rich,

Not trying to knock you or your opinions or ideas...

Just pretty much everyone else that frequents this site.....

You are a real class act, Anthony.

 

[ajc]

People lie all the time here. Even if proven wrong, that doesn't fix the fact that someone's name got dragged through the mud. And now with the giant "BAD GUY" thing next to the post, and the inability to read the post without signing up, it's no wonder people are threatening to sue.

These people don't care if they get caught lying...this is a hobby they probably won't be around in a year, and they certainly don't have 10+ years invested in building a good reputation.

And yeah, I get it...playing World of Warcraft isn't nearly as exciting as f*cking up a real live person's business.

it is obvious that as a whole it works well, which is why so many people check the BOI prior to making a purchase.

It might work for those of you who use this as a form of entertainment, but it's not working for Rich or we wouldn't be talking about it.

While there's no doubt this website has been valuable, it has grown tremendously and the dynamic has changed. Maybe it's time to turn a new page.

 

[ajc]

Just pretty much everyone else that frequents this site.....

You are a real class act, Anthony.

You have 3700 posts here, so yes, you could be one of the idiots I referred to.

If the shoe fits....

 

[Lucille]

People lie all the time here. Even if proven wrong, that doesn't fix the fact that someone's name got dragged through the mud. And now with the giant "BAD GUY" thing next to the post, and the inability to read the post without signing up, it's no wonder people are threatening to sue.

These people don't care if they get caught lying...this is a hobby they probably won't be around in a year, and they certainly don't have 10+ years invested in building a good reputation.

And yeah, I get it...playing World of Warcraft isn't nearly as exciting as f*cking up a real live person's business.



It might work for those of you who use this as a form of entertainment, but it's not working for Rich or we wouldn't be talking about it.

While there's no doubt this website has been valuable, it has grown tremendously and the dynamic has changed. Maybe it's time to turn a new page.

There ARE bad guys. Like the American system of justice using juries, people who, like the folks here, are from all walks of life, who listen and decide. Is it 100% No. But it is better than anything else so far, and those who visit and want to make a purchase are likely to read through a bad guy thread and see for themselves. If the bad guy post is a spiteful one, it is usually resolved and the good guy nature of the vendor restored.

As far as Rich and this site, nice try. The fact that Rich has financial issues in a possible defense of the site has nothing to do with whether it is working or not. In fact, it is BECAUSE the site is working, and huge numbers of people visit, that the issues present themselves.

It is sad that you are trying to dog down the lifetime work of another man, especially when it is such a success, and such a useful tool for many of us.

 

[shrap]

You have 3700 posts here, so yes, you could be one of the idiots I referred to.

If the shoe fits....

Depending on who you talk to, I am quite certain you are correct.

 

[sincitydragons]

well Anthony makes a good point about the "BAD GUY" posted on a thread if thats all people can see.... I would say at the very least if the BOI is closed to all except payed members the thread titles will need to be changed for fairness sakes.... they would simply need to be titled "so and so and my experience" and mention nothing about good or bad. This is all assuming that people who cannot see the threads can still see the titles.

 

[Lucille]

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I actually have a competitor (who I also consider a friend), who has a clause in his terms that states all warranties/guarantees are VOID if the customer should post about a problem on the internet. He has a great reputation too, and I think that speaks volumes for the number of people who flat out abuse the BOI....

That is a laugh. He has a 'great reputation' because he has threatened anyone who says otherwise.
These days, many people who had to suffer when a vendor screwed them because they could not afford an attorney, can get advice and assistance on the internet. Someone who muzzles their own customers like your 'friend' must be fearful of what their customers might say.

 

[ajc]

It is sad that you are trying to dog down the lifetime work of another man, especially when it is such a success, and such a useful tool for many of us.

Yeah, yeah...OK Einstein. I'm dogging Rich's work...that's why I'm agreeing with him about all of this.

What's sad is that people like yourself have nothing better to do than pick fights with strangers on the internet, and that you don't think a thing of twisting their words if it looks like it's going to be a good fight.

You picked the wrong guy. You're obviously much more experienced at arguing than you are in running a reptile business, or even dealing with reptiles. People like you add no value to this site, and are the exact reason why it has such a poor reputation in the hobby. You are the losers that real herpers laugh about at shows and over the phone.

I think Rich has done a heck of a job here, and it has always been successful in terms of keeping people from being ripped off...that's never been a question. The problem, and the reason I say it's no longer working, is that for the amount of time Rich spends defending this place, and for the amount of risk he's taking, he very gets little in return. In short, idiots like you have ruined it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again and again. Losers like you use this site as a form of entertainment, rather than the resource that it was intended to be. You come here to pick fights and voice your opinions, because in the real world, people who know you don't take you seriously or value your opinion. It makes you feel powerful and important to dole out judgement on others.

Face it...You came on here and started picking holes in my post, telling me that you'll "take your time to respond to it". Wake up lady. I don't know who you are, or who you THINK you are, but I see you as just another loser who has helped ruin the BOI. And I sure as hell don't care what you have to say about my post.

You logged on, like you do every day, looking for a fight...and this morning, you picked a fight with one of the only breeders who has the balls to point out what an idiot you really are.

I might do this for a living, but this is still my hobby too, and as such, I still reserve the right to speak up when idiots like you . Trouble makers like you have no place in it. Lucky for you, I'm too busy to demonstrate how stupid you are on a daily basis.

And lucky for me, for every one idiot I piss off by posting stuff like this, I'll have three who respect the fact that I had the nerve to stand up to an idiot.

This would be your cue to shut up, and go pick a fight with someone who did something to deserve it. Now shoo....

 

[ajc]

That is a laugh. He has a 'great reputation' because he has threatened anyone who says otherwise.
These days, many people who had to suffer when a vendor screwed them because they could not afford an attorney, can get advice and assistance on the internet. Someone who muzzles their own customers like your 'friend' must be fearful of what their customers might say.

For the record, that guy has plenty of good guy posts here...plenty. And he has just as big a "name" as I do. He's a good guy, that's no question...never ripped anyone off, ever.

What it is, is that he knows what it's like to run a real reptile business (time consuming), and he's seen what can happen over nothing.

That being said, I would never put something like that in my terms just for the fact that it does look bad because it may make people think exactly what you said. On this point, I'll have to agree with you...as painful as that may be.

My point is, we all know what website he's afraid of, and it's just a bit alarming that a stand-up guy like him would even feel the need to put that in his terms.

 

[Lucille]

I think Rich has done a heck of a job here, and it has always been successful in terms of keeping people from being ripped off..

We agree there.

I say it's no longer working

I disagree, traffic here is very high and many people check here prior to purchase.

I make it a point to not post here unless I have to.

The way the BOI works is through input.

But I continue to support this site through banner advertising (spending FAR more money than a "contributor" badge would cost me)

I'm genuinely glad you contribute.

I thing you've been stung here. You did not address my post about your friend, but it is true, anyone who prevents their customers from speaking about anything going wrong on the internet is questionable, in my eyes.

You seem to have a good rep, but have had a bad guy thread. I read through it, and it did not seem to me that you were actually a bad guy there. Peraps you were upset that someone could actually say anything about you, but the system came to your rescue.

I still reserve the right to speak up

Me too. That's what this site is all about.

 

[Lucille]

For the record, that guy has plenty of good guy posts here...plenty. And he has just as big a "name" as I do. He's a good guy, that's no question...never ripped anyone off, ever.

What it is, is that he knows what it's like to run a real reptile business (time consuming), and he's seen what can happen over nothing.

That being said, I would never put something like that in my terms just for the fact that it does look bad because it may make people think exactly what you said. On this point, I'll have to agree with you...as painful as that may be.

My point is, we all know what website he's afraid of, and it's just a bit alarming that a stand-up guy like him would even feel the need to put that in his terms.

I agree with you too, there are risks involved in letting people speak as they wish. And I think if we can talk without insulting each other, we might find that we are closer in philosophy thank it might first appear.

 

[DAND]

Hey Rich,

I'm just going to put something out there. Have you considered making this a "review" website where only the original poster and the seller can post to a topic? Much like eBay's buyer/seller feedback system. It's not perfect either, but at least your website wouldn't be made to look like a circus side show.

That would be all fine and well if all transactions were made here on Fauna but the BOI covers transactions other than ones made just here on Fauna. How would one verify the transactions were actually done and not you and your buddy (just using you as a hypothetical example) stroking each other back and forth?

I didn't want to say it, but you've already acknowledged the fact that most of the bigger names in this hobby do avoid this website. They avoid it because a lot of them say the BOI has gotten is like the Jerry Springer Show of the reptile industry. Like the television show, the BOI is full of losers, with nothing better to do because they have no life, who show up just so they can give their opinions about things that have nothing to do with them. In short, they love a fight and they're all out of stuff to fight about in their own lives.

Seeing as you appear to have first hand knowledge but third party statements are not allowed here I would expect (most bigger) names to go with your claims.

You also seem to have first hand knowledge of the Jerry Springer show though and your post here could be taken as confrontational to those whom you are mimicking while calling them losers (kind of hypocritical wouldn't you say?). I'm guessing you missed your Springer fix yesterday when Frosty superceded your apparent program of choice which in turn must have prompted your post.

I think fixing this aspect will slowly gain back the respect of the breeders who run real businesses...and face it, you need THEIR support if you're going to make any money at this.

For that to be true the "big name breeders" would have had to supported this site in the beginning.

I actually have a competitor (who I also consider a friend), who has a clause in his terms that states all warranties/guarantees are VOID if the customer should post about a problem on the internet. He has a great reputation too, and I think that speaks volumes for the number of people who flat out abuse the BOI....and for the way honest business owners cringe at the thought of having to defend themselves here.

If your "friend" had nothing to worry about he wouldn't need to worry about someone posting anything. I guess his reputation isn't as good as the two of you think it is. In other words, an honest business owner wouldn't have to defend him or herself, it's the dishonest ones that would. Unfortunately, even with the BOI around the dishonest ones are still finding business.

I've also had a larger breeder friend of mine (who also has a great reputation) tell me that I'm crazy for running banner ads here. He said it makes as much sense as a taxi cab company recruiting drivers at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting...not exactly the ideal target audience. Sometimes, I think he's right...and to be honest, there have been times when I swore I'd never run another banner ad here.

Yet you do, why? I'm guessing it is not losing you money running banner ads here. I doubt you are doing it out of generosity or the kindness of your heart. Or maybe you are just targeting your banner ads towards the Alcoholics?

In my opinion, it's the BOI regulars (or ABUSERS) who have put you in this position. These regulars rarely have anything useful to add, and in most cases, their comments only detract from the value of a site like this. They just get a kick out of getting to play judge and jury...the power to ruin someone's business, especially someone they're jealous of, is intoxicating to them.

Is breeding or Psychiatry your full time job?

Odd how you seem to be doing just what you claim to be problematic when done by others.

I am not a "paid contributor" or whatever, because I make it a point to not post here unless I have to. But I continue to support this site through banner advertising (spending FAR more money than a "contributor" badge would cost me) because I do believe it's a good idea...

But something tells me if banner ads were free your financial contributions to this good idea would be nonexistent. You are "contributing" for your own purposes and not for the purpose(s) of this site's well being or it's future.

even though I know full well that good people can and do get screwed regularly on the BOI.

By all means please provide some proof of that one for us all to see.

And I also agree with the point made by someone else...asking users to pay for this site isn't the answer. Obviously...that just compounds the problem (less traffic, less reason for someone like me to advertise). Don't take it personally, though...forum websites with a "pay to post" business model typically fail, that's nothing unique to your website.

Well who should pay for this site then? Should we have another site run by advertisers who can screw customers and still be allowed to place ads so that the site can make money while those who get screwed are silenced or their posts deleted because they are speaking against one of the site's supporters?

Seems to me, making this part of your website more like eBay's feedback system would only upset the idiots that you want to get rid of anyway...kind of a win-win.

If Rich wanted to get rid of anyone (idiot or not) he would just get rid of them which would be a lot easier than changing the function(s) of the most viewed portion of Fauna.

Not trying to knock you or your opinions or ideas...just putting my thoughts out there, just in case it might help you make the best decision for your family and for the people who utilize the BOI properly. As a fellow small business owner, I'd sure like to see you turn this thing around and make this site pay for your retirement.

Not trying to knock you or your opinions or ideas...just letting you know your "opinion" has already been offered by others who may or may not be one of your "big breeder" friends.

You may want to try and go about putting your thoughts out there without the insults towards this site and it's members. Your thoughts may then be taken a little more seriously without comparing this site to "a circus side show" or "the Jerry Springer show" or calling it's members (by the way, you do know you are a member here too right?) idiots or losers.

 

[ajc]

well Anthony makes a good point about the "BAD GUY" posted on a thread if thats all people can see.... I would say at the very least if the BOI is closed to all except payed members the thread titles will need to be changed for fairness sakes.... they would simply need to be titled "so and so and my experience" and mention nothing about good or bad. This is all assuming that people who cannot see the threads can still see the titles.

Exactly. If the general public can't read the thread without logging in, much less paying to log in, then what's the point of having a forum as opposed to a review website?

The fact is, that's what works in every other industry. I don't know why that would be such a bad thing here, because it wouldn't.

Unless I've missed something, the only argument against it is that these people like being able to voice their opinions on sellers they've never dealt with...and in my opinion (since we're throwing them around), those posts offer little in the way of value or credibility.

Again, voicing their opinions makes them feel a sense of importance that they don't have in their real lives. To those people, I have say this. Start a blog and knock yourself out! You can share your opinions, and invite other idiots to join in the discussion.

In fact, I'll even design the website for you.

www.nobodyreallygivesashitwhatithink.com

 

[DAND]

What's sad is that people like yourself have nothing better to do than pick fights with strangers on the internet, and that you don't think a thing of twisting their words if it looks like it's going to be a good fight.

People like you add no value to this site, and are the exact reason why it has such a poor reputation in the hobby. You are the losers that real herpers laugh about at shows and over the phone.

In short, idiots like you have ruined it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again and again. Losers like you use this site as a form of entertainment, rather than the resource that it was intended to be. You come here to pick fights and voice your opinions, because in the real world, people who know you don't take you seriously or value your opinion. It makes you feel powerful and important to dole out judgement on others.

Wake up lady. I don't know who you are, or who you THINK you are, but I see you as just another loser who has helped ruin the BOI. And I sure as hell don't care what you have to say about my post.

You logged on, like you do every day, looking for a fight...and this morning, you picked a fight with one of the only breeders who has the balls to point out what an idiot you really are.

I might do this for a living, but this is still my hobby too, and as such, I still reserve the right to speak up when idiots like you . Trouble makers like you have no place in it. Lucky for you, I'm too busy to demonstrate how stupid you are on a daily basis.

And lucky for me, for every one idiot I piss off by posting stuff like this, I'll have three who respect the fact that I had the nerve to stand up to an idiot.

This would be your cue to shut up, and go pick a fight with someone who did something to deserve it. Now shoo....

I cut out very little of your above post (we couldn't have anything that resembled you being civil in there) and have very little to say about it other than you are a hypocritical ass. You don't think you have deserved anything to warrant someone to pick a fight with you? You are being a disrespectful ass and in my book is more than enough reason for you to be called out. But I guess it's okay for you to insult people but if someone insults you you get your widdle feelings hurt. Poor, poor widdle tony and his knotted panties.

 

[shrap]

Sorry Anthony, but your posts are not coming across as having "balls". They come across sounding like a spoiled brat that needs to grow up and learn some manners.

 

[sincitydragons]

what ever happened to being the bigger person...

I cut out very little of your above post (we couldn't have anything that resembled you being civil in there) and have very little to say about it other than you are a hypocritical ass. You don't think you have deserved anything to warrant someone to pick a fight with you? You are being a disrespectful ass and in my book is more than enough reason for you to be called out. But I guess it's okay for you to insult people but if someone insults you you get your widdle feelings hurt. Poor, poor widdle tony and his knotted panties.

this kinda stuff right here is what ruins just about every reptile forum I've seen so far. Everyone wants the right to voice their own opinion but screw it if anyone else should be allowed to. We then end up with people taking cheap shots at eachother because they've actually run out of intelligent argument. A healthy debate over opinions is one thing but name calling and insults are just the "Jerry Springer" kind of thing Anthony mentioned. Granted him calling people idiots and losers doesn't help his argument and is a little hypocritical but we are all guilty of it at some point or another. It is ridiculous that anyone feels they need to insult someone to get a simple point across. Just remember that simply having an opinion about someone based of a handful of statements they've made doesn't neccessarily make it true. This is the problem with how the boi is set up currently. I'm not claiming I know a full proof way to fix it and I don't think anyone else is either but we all have ideas that we think would help and if we keep getting in to these stupid name calling wars nothing will get fixed because the focus is taken off whats really important.

 

[DAND]

what ever happened to being the bigger person...this kinda stuff right here is what ruins just about every reptile forum I've seen so far. Everyone wants the right to voice their own opinion but screw it if anyone else should be allowed to. We then end up with people taking cheap shots at eachother because they've actually run out of intelligent argument. A healthy debate over opinions is one thing but name calling and insults are just the "Jerry Springer" kind of thing Anthony mentioned. Granted him calling people idiots and losers doesn't help his argument and is a little hypocritical but we are all guilty of it at some point or another. It is ridiculous that anyone feels they need to insult someone to get a simple point across. Just remember that simply having an opinion about someone based of a handful of statements they've made doesn't neccessarily make it true. This is the problem with how the boi is set up currently. I'm not claiming I know a full proof way to fix it and I don't think anyone else is either but we all have ideas that we think would help and if we keep getting in to these stupid name calling wars nothing will get fixed because the focus is taken off whats really important.

Actually, the way in which someone reacts in a handful of posts is usually a good picture of the true person. Anthony started off his post with insults and then progressed even further with very little coaxing from others. If pointing out someone is being disrespectful, hypocritical and in my opinion an ass is being insulting in your opinion and the ruin of every reptile forum then I don't know what to tell you especially when you seem to have less problem with the way in which anthony posted then with what I posted.

 

[ajc]

I cut out very little of your above post (we couldn't have anything that resembled you being civil in there) and have very little to say about it other than you are a hypocritical ass. You don't think you have deserved anything to warrant someone to pick a fight with you? You are being a disrespectful ass and in my book is more than enough reason for you to be called out. But I guess it's okay for you to insult people but if someone insults you you get your widdle feelings hurt. Poor, poor widdle tony and his knotted panties.

David,

I didn't come here to be civil with you jackasses. You've ruined one of the most valuable resources in the hobby and as such, you don't deserve it.

If you haven't already figured it out, I don't want the business of idiots...otherwise, I'd just shut up.

I came here to post something for Rich to read...and for other members who are tired of the BS and politics that go on over here. Then an IDIOT twisted my words so she could pick a fight...no doubt because what I said apparently struck a nerve.

Call me a hypocrite, but I never claimed to be posting here to "help others" or to be civil. Make no mistake, I really do enjoy screwing with your heads when time permits. It's like playing basketball with midgets...fun for a while because you know you'll win, but then it gets boring when you realize you have an unfair advantage that they'll never be able to match (in this case, intellectual capacity and a sense of reality).

And I don't know what brought this up, but my feelings don't get hurt by screwballs like you. I'm not angry...I'm smiling (and occasionally laughing) as I type all this crap. Truth is, I have to respect someone's opinion before they can say something that can bother me.

Your other post seems rather rhetorical, and typical of the nonsense that has made this site what it is, but here are a few closing thoughts before I get back to my life...something you all should try from time to time.

1. Not everyone here is an idiot. Most people actually use this site in the way it was intended...people ask about a breeder and people who've bought from said breeder will respond.

Unfortunately, the show starts to lose credibility when the audience members end up taking up 90% of the show (yes, that's another Springer reference).

There are probably 100 idiots out of however many thousand members. Unfortunately for everyone who's NOT an idiot, those 100 idiots have nothing better to do, so they have more posts than everyone else combined.

2. I do some banner advertising here, as opposed to the other site, because I like the way this site is run, and because 99% of the members are NOT idiots. Bottom line, I prefer that this site, and Rich, are where my advertising dollars will go. Simple as that.

And you are correct about one thing. I'm not just giving Rich my hard earned money out of the kindness of my heart...just like he's not dealing with all this BS out of the kindness of his. No really, though...thank you so much for pointing that out. We couldn't have everyone thinking I just give him money because I like to stare at my own logo while I screw with you guys. lol

If I didn't spend several hundred dollars a year here, if not more, I would most definitely fork over $25 or whatever it is. To that effect, I think it's funny that you all feel sooooo great about yourselves for donating $25 to a website that you've helped destroy the credibility of. You deserve a cookie. Or a "good guy" badge. lmao

3. One need not be a psych major to know a pathetic loser when he sees one. I've been around this garbage for 7 years now, it's not that hard.

That being said, a number of those losers could really benefit from the services of a psychiatrist...and I don't mean a psychologist. These folks need lithium, and lots of it.

Apparently it scares you that someone is smart enough to see through this childish BS. Fact is, you know and I know that this is nothing more than a twisted form of entertainment for these folks, and maybe even for you too. They see it as nothing more than a game. The reason these sickos are so addicted to it is because it has real consequences, and creates real problems, for other people. It's sick and pathetic.

4. Again, if I were totally off base, we wouldn't be talking about why this site doesn't make enough money for Rich to make it worth his while. Like they say, money talks and BS walks...and considering the present set of circumstances, I'd say the money is talking very loudly right about now.

So, maybe you 100 or so losers should do Rich a favor get to walking...

Until next year....I'm out!