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About the recent policy change concerning kingsnake.com..

What should FaunaClassifieds involvement be with the issues concerning kingsnake.com?

  • None! Drop the kingsnake.com discussions completely.

    Votes: 10 9.4%
  • Some discussion is OK, but within narrowly defined criteria.

    Votes: 12 11.3%
  • Allow an open forum, but delete anything that is obviously overboard.

    Votes: 55 51.9%
  • Open up a forum and have completely open discussions. Let the cards fall where they will.

    Votes: 25 23.6%
  • I don't give a darn either way. I'm just here for the entertainment value.

    Votes: 4 3.8%

  • Total voters
    106
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well?

well i also beleive that all discussions herp related (herp sites too)should be allowed,and jason does seem to be a diehard herper concerned about OUR rights,now i dont know him but from reading his prior post i must say he does have some valid points i do agree with such as,,its not cool to post someones input on a POLL (serious or not) annonimity is the purpose of a poll,not to know someONEs veiw?but EVERYONES veiw,,also the dissention in this hobby is rediculous hillbillie's kicking people in tree's ,ferrets needing to do what ferrets do, its really SAD:( ,,,, BUT you have done a good job rich AWSOME really and i do not beleive by allowing an open forum on the discussion of other herp websites is a bad thing,people need a place to vent,,, and you as a webmaster do have the responsibility of not playin favorites,and business decision or not must keep it fair which i have allways seen you do,,, until now by posting jason's poll decision?,,,anyway thats my 50cent,,,,,,peace thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
Thomas,

Jason is a special case because he is an unabashed JeffB/KS appologist, and he has been spying on various sites trying to report anything anti-KS being written on those other herp sites so that his mentor can do what he does to try to quash any dissent. Sorry if my manner of addressing him has been offensive to you. My problem is with Jason. I am not one that wants to divide the herp hobby. In fact, I am trying to smoke out someone who is.
 
Great the results are in.

Where is that Web Wars Forum at.

I can't wait to talk about Mario Stinko and all the lies he has been posting on his dying forum.

Not to metnion the fact that he IS the guy named BOYCOTT posting on Kingsnake.


Mario,
keep diggin your dying forum into the ground. I called a truce. I called it quits. I have not said anything about kingsnake or Joe P's forum. I was not saying anything about your forum.....But you want to start your Chit. IT IS ON Mario Stinko. Go ahead and reregister. That way we can see your dilusional paranoid ramblings again.
 
WELL?

WELL appoligist spy or not he has some valid veiws IMHO,i am not either ,,, i live in houston and have met jeffb a few times after meeting him and seeing how his site is run i came to the conclusion he is a person who really dont give a #$%! about herps he is in it for the $$$,thats one reason i wont do business w/him,,but anyway tryin to smoke someone out who in your opinion is trying to divide this hobby is probably just a waste of time&energy(clean cages) but really this site aint no threat to jeffb i mean come'on what 80-90 people in this poll? do you really think he cares about 80-90people? 8000 or9000 maybe but im not sure if there is that many herpers out there we(herpers/breeders) are a very tiny tiny percentage of the populace,and spies,appoligist,etc, let'em come let them voice on the new board everyone has a right to voice their opinion as long as rules are followed and the game is KEPT fair by allowing EVRYONE that courtesy well unless they are just stirring stew anyway Rich i think you should call the new forum"ohh the pain" haha ,,,,,thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
do you really think he cares about 80-90people? 8000 or9000 maybe but im not sure if there is that many herpers out there we(herpers/breeders) are a very tiny tiny percentage of the populace

There's a big space in the center for a happy medium but the statements listed above seem a bit contradictory... First you say that a small amount of people doesn't matter, then you say that the herping population is itself tiny... (There are way more than 9000 reptile owners in the US though).

Either way... Eighty or Ninety people talk to three others, who talk to three others... The total amount grows quickly. Heck, not that long ago it was Me complaining on this site about Kraplan and Adam Block about Barringer... now look at what it has grown into... a far larger group of like-minded people, many of whom are far more reccognizeable.

Which brings up the other point... Ninety people matter a lot when they're the ones who were putting money into banner ads and classified accounts and hosted web sites... Helping with hosted chats and patrolling his forums helping new owners... The quality of the people who have become disgruntled is a major issue too. Some are nobodies (me for instance) but many of them have a far greater impact on the opinions of the "herping community" and it will be felt at an exponential rate as it gets worse (Worse for KS, better for everyone else).
 
Forget Jason and Kingsnake.

For me it is now about Mario Stinksobad and geckonetwork.com

p.s. if you all decide to visit. Most of his libel about fauna gets erased. Most of his lies including how he got me banned from fauna has been erased.


Its getting close Mario.
the forum is almost here.
time to expose your lies again.

ps. you say I hacked into your computer and it is in your archives. You said that in a PUBLIC forum with the intent to defame me. I hope you kept your pretend archives. It will come in handy if you ever decide to make good on your empty threats and take me to court.
 
LMFAO...I just read Mario's latest nonsensical rant. I can just imagine him sitting at home wearing a tinfoil hat as he's typing about "liberating" the herp community, along with Rich and myself using "mind control."

For those who want a good laugh, you'll get to see Mario's post, in it's entirety, as soon as the new forum is up and running.
 
Thomas you have a valid perspective. I doubt that anything done on this site will ever rectify the things done on KS or any other site, for that matter. However, in my opinion, that is not the issue. The issue at hand is whether WE will be allowed to voice our views on the issues that do affect us. I share your assessment of JeffB, and I think that, because he is such a force in the industry, those aspects of his motivations need to be addressed.

I am not saying that everything that pours from Jason's mind is trash. I am not discounting every idea he has ever had. I discount his motivations, his loyalties, and his sincerity as they relate to this site. But I am ready to admit that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Again, my problem with Jason is personal. I was just trying to let you know that, while I am not willing to just ignore the threats that some herpers bring upon us all by their actions, I am not into this "let's divide the industry into several camps and go to war" mentality either.
 
Flawed logic Darin. Trying to smoke me out because I am trying to divide the herp community. Gimmy a break.
Jason is a special case because he is an unabashed JeffB/KS appologist,
I am no more an appologist to ksnake then you are to Rich Z and fauna my friend. It doesn’t take much common sense to figure out that out of 4000 members a lot more then 10 would like to see this forum nonsense dropped. Why didn’t they vote? Well one reason could be what I shown above, a year down the road you or any other member could be viewed as a “special case” and have your votes blasted out here for everyone to see for nothing more then Rich’s amusement. Keep in mind Darin I wasn’t always considered a “ks appologist”. Only since Rich has supported this nonsense within his forums has there been “lines drawn”. Same thing could happen to anyone here that crosses that “line” any time in the future. I knew he was watching the polls and that’s bulls%$t.
and he has been spying on various sites trying to report anything anti-KS being written on those other herp sites so that his mentor can do what he does to try to quash any dissent.
More flawed logic, Ive been a member of this site far longer then you have. Although I assume your referring to the field forum site? If that’s the case were you spying when you visited the site? Do you still post there regularly? If not why? Because like me when all the excitement about it was going on you wandered over to see why correct? Well when I did I wandered into a conversation about how they wanted some new .com names for the site. The owner had 2 in mind. One he wanted to use specially for the site and the other he wanted to taunt Ksnake with. At that point he didn’t own either of them, if my intentions were that bad I could have bought them both, but I didn’t. I left the one they honestly wanted for their site alone and bought the one they wanted to make a big joke of. They were making a big joke out of how they could black mail people with it and how else they were going to exploit it to make a joke out of it. So I turned the joke on them and grabbed. As we all seen they wernt to happy when their big blackmail joke blew up in their face. Now was I spying on them, No. No more then you or anyone else who followed the links over to see what all the excitement was about and hasn’t returned since all the ruckus stopped.
My problem is with Jason. I am not one that wants to divide the herp hobby. In fact, I am trying to smoke out someone who is.
Cut me a break, I am trying to divide the herp community by simply pointing out the flawed logic behind Rich ignoring things that can effect us as a whole, while he focuses on how he is going justify bashing his competition. That’s not trying to divide anyone, that’s calling someone to task. Rich has 4000 members on this site. If Rich would have been focusing on more important things and rallied all 4000 members do you think that bill in WA state would have made it through? But here he is focuses on Ksnake and didn’t even know what was going on. Their trying to pass another one in NY right now lets see if Rich takes any time away from installing his new web wars forum to do anything about that, since he cant deny its been brought to his attention now.
Again, my problem with Jason is personal.
Humm now we get down to the truth. I have never dealt with you spoken with you or had a transaction with you. You attack my every word. Are these the morals you preach to the children in your church? Im as much a KS appologist as you are a Rich Z. Fauna appologist.
 
mario Stinko,
I know you are reading this. Do not worry. I am currently lobying the powers that be to unban you. After all I want things to be fair. I want you to be able to post to defend yourself. Unlike your website where people who disagree get banned and their posts deleted. Over here you can't delete. And I know that is getting to you.

It is weird. You keep mentioning me by name on your website. But you keep me banned so I can't reply. Then you ban and delete those who speak out against you. Sorry, we do not have YOUR kind of censorship here.

mario,
I find it funny that no one on your website posts to back you up on your own website. And those who actually post.....they post against you. But we can't see those anymore because they got deleted.

you say this site is run by cons.....I hope you can prove that in a court of law.
you say I talk bad against my "competition" i hope you can prove that too.


i know it kills you to know you can't delete my words
 
Hi mario,
I am just replying again to make you feel popular and important.
Because that is what you crave......some kind of attention and "respect"
You say you worked hard for your "reputation"
Gee I guess you worked hard to get "Professional Troll" next to your name.
 
Just for the record, WHERE was it ever stated that the polls would remain private? There was one issue a LONG time ago where an issue was posted that was very sensitive from what I can recall (sorry, I don't remember the particulars) where one person voted in the unpopular category. Several people asked me for the name of this person, and I refused, saying that I could not get that information (which I could not on the Ikonboard software) and even if I could, I would not.

That was not a blanket policy statement.

If someone votes on a poll I can and will do whatever I deem reasonable and necessary with that information. Now THAT is a policy statement. A poll is inherently a gathering of information to be used to make decisions with. If someone votes fraudulently with no other intention but to make a frivolous dissenting opinion, and this is further reinforced by past statements and poll votes, then I believe the public exposure of such activity is warranted to expose the frivolous nature of the person making the vote, as well as to invalidate the vote itself.

In all of the polls posted on this site, the two votes made by Jason Sweigart have been the only ones that so blatantly showed his personal bias that I felt it warranted a public viewing.

So sue me. I can't wait to hear what you tell the judge. It's worth relearning how to tie a tie in order to be there to hear that one.

Jason, you are not here on this site to try to entice serious discussion of make any attempt to persuade change that would be positive for this site. It is my opinion that any information that you post on this site, in any fashion or manner, is mine to do with as I see fit to paint a complete picture of your stance in relation to this site. Sorry if it bothers you so much that such an action on my part was successful in doing just that.

Even your comments about me expending my efforts towards blocking legislation is a thinly veiled attempt to divert my attention away from anything else I may need to do on this site. You are completely transparent, you know. I STILL haven't seen you approach me with a banner of any sort that I could run pointing to this information.

Anyway, that's enough of that. This thread is eventually going to turn into it's own forum if I don't resurrect the Web Wars forum. That will be done shortly, as I believe I have come up with what I think is a suitable name for it:

Web Watch

Sounds neutral enough, I think.
 
Ritchie!! Damn, take a valium or something!
 
Ritchie!! Damn, take a valium or something
To us that reads hey Ritchie CHILL.

To mario stinko that reads... "Ritchie is unstable and is currently receiving medication for his psychological well being"


ONE difference between us mario.
If someone sees you at a show and laughs at you....you will go home crying.

If someone meets me at a show and laughs at me.... I will tell them I do not blame them and laugh right along with them.
 
Just for the record, WHERE was it ever stated that the polls would remain private?
Well it was stated a long time ago, maybe your system was different then but it doesn’t change the fact that you’ve never let people know of the change. To make information from a poll public is misleading in the least. Polls being private are a gimmy. Are the polls taken for politics every year public info, no there all private. To be honest with you I have never heard of a public poll where the participants names and way they voted were public info. So you having a poll such as that and blasting people names out without prior to them voting letting them know that you would do such is misleading to say the least. Because the simple fact of the matter is Rich, your dislike for me could roll over to any other member of this site who takes a stance that you don’t like.
even if I could, I would not... That was not a blanket policy statement.
Hense why I say misleading. Maybe it wasn’t a blanket statement but I am sure that 95% of the members that read it took it that way.
If someone votes fraudulently with no other intention but to make a frivolous dissenting opinion, and this is further reinforced by past statements and poll votes, then I believe the public exposure of such activity is warranted to expose the frivolous nature of the person making the vote, as well as to invalidate the vote itself.
The last poll I voted honestly, the one prior to it what was the category? “Jeff B has never done anything wrong in his life”? Something to that nature, well of course I threw the vote on that one. If your going to ad a category that is a complete joke you gotta expect people to have some fun with it. I thought for sure you would post it was me back then. That poll along with some of the categories was bull. Have you ever done anything wrong in your life? Have I? Of course were all human, you cant expect people to be super creatures or something.

In all of the polls posted on this site, the two votes made by Jason Sweigart have been the only ones that so blatantly showed his personal bias that I felt it warranted a public viewing
Like I said the first one was a joke as was the poll. The second I was serious and I am sure it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out, Hell I am sure even Darin would agree I was being serious voting that way. If I was looking to throw a vote in that one I would have voted who cares I am only here for the entertainment. But it was a serious poll with serious questions. Now remember this in the future if you don’t want the way you voted revealed to the public. YOU could be considered the next Fauna troll.
Jason, you are not here on this site to try to entice serious discussion of make any attempt to persuade change that would be positive for this site.
Nope me wasting my time telling you that youd be better off spending your time rallying your 4000 members to stop laws that someday will effect all of us(you, me and Darin who don’t seem to agree on anything) instead of wasting your time bashing your competition sure isnt me trying to persuade you into doing something positive. Nope im just trying to divide us further, I see your logic.
Sorry if it bothers you so much that such an action on my part was successful in doing just that.
Successful at what? Proving to your members that if they don’t stay on your good side at any day in time you can turn on them and post sensitive info about them? You’ve just shown your members that they cant trust you with anything sensitive to them, so if you call that being successful, hey by all means.
I STILL haven't seen you approach me with a banner of any sort that I could run pointing to this information.
Why should I am just a troll remember? Maybe if you would get out for a breath of fresh air once in a while youd see whats going on around you and you wouldn’t need trolls like me to keep ya updated on the latest news.
Even your comments about me expending my efforts towards blocking legislation is a thinly veiled attempt to divert my attention away from anything else I may need to do on this site.
Well gee all these laws I read about in the news sections of other sites. Ones that obviously care about whether or not we have a future in this business. So please don’t let me interfere with your day. I know you have more important things to worry about, a snazzy name for your bash my competitors forum, you already got 50 or so, I am sure your busy thinking up a few more .com names you can post and encourage your users to spam other sites with. I mean, hell, its all on their dime so who cares, right? Mean while oblivious to you our rights are being taken away, so I can see you are very busy so I am truly sorry to have bothered you.
 
well?

it is very obvious that jason is passionate about herp laws,it seems he is honestly worried about it?i dunno why,but i am curious jason do you blatantly harrass jeffb and other herpsite webmasters about how they need to rally their members to be a voice for the herp industry? it seems that you are just attacking richz because of his decision to start a forum dedicated to other herpsites? i hope that is wrong,as richz has allways been very fair and stuck by his guns when starting this site years ago,its not rich's job to rally members to do anything,he has stated if you would make the banner that he would consider posting it if indeed you are so passionate about it then why not simply take him up on that offer?anyway now i need a valium,,,p.s.sux to be this mario guy but really ritchie all your doing is providing him w/FREE advertising and being pretty immature as allways i think EVERYONE knows your views,,,,,thomas davis T&S reptile farm;)
 
I think both of you are being petty. For the sake of sanity can you both agree to just put the past behind you and work for a common cause, even if you disagree about the methods?
 
Thanks again for your input, Jason. I've always wondered what was wrong with me. :nuts:
 
I STILL haven't seen you approach me with a banner of any sort that I could run pointing to this information.
As far as banners thats your area of expertise, not mine. As long as you continue to have your bash my competitors forum this will be the last time I ever do the work for you. Well see if any of this ever gets posted here again. If you could take a minute away from your plotting a simple search would reveal all this to you + alot more.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A02684&sh=t

Contact info for the person who proposed the bill

tonkop@ assembly.state.ny.us

All this discussion has prompted me to start a page on my web site concerning these issues, so sometime within the next week Ill have it up and can be viewed at www.dumerils.com. I already have a small mailing list I can ad anyone to as well.
 
You know there is a forum on this site concerning legislation. It's called Legislative Alerts. Have you posted anything there about this? This could be real easy for you. Just post the information there, make up a graphic banner and then point it to that information you posted in the forum. Easy as pie.

Legislative Alerts Forum
 
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