Info Adam Tawfeek & Jesus Blackman Rojas

[SERPENTS DEN]

Dan may be okay with breaking contracts whether verbal or in writing but that’s on you. When I make an agree I stick to it whether I like it or not.

Also you may have missed that Adam met with me on April 30th to pick up his Pastel Phantom or that we both agreed to discontinue breeding his Pastel with my Clown. It was also agreed that he would get his Pastel back in July providing she lacks signs of becoming gravid. If she shows signs of becoming gravid then she will stay here just as Adam and I originally agreed upon. I’m not trying to take advantage of him but I’m also not going to let anyone take advantage of me. I’ve been really patient with him despite his mood swings. It was also his threat to me to post our emails on the BOI and then Jesus posted up on the FB Ball Python Breeders group as noted in this screenshot.
Tell me how I was not in contact with Adam during that time frame?

 

[Snake-Queen]

No matter how long it took? In my opinion both parties acted very immature in this deal. What was the purpose of Steve trying to force the other party to send a shipping label instead of allowing him to come pick up his snake? He sure seemed to be on some kind of a power trip to me. On another note, people shouldn't be buying more snakes if they can't afford to take the ones they have to the vet.

For the breeding season, that's what I got out of the posted communications.

I do have to agree that Steve said quite a few things that were childish and unreasonable. Would I do business with either party, no ... one doesn't understand the value of ones word & the other resorts to petty demands.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

My reason to want to ship was to avoid any possible altercation.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

If you want to pick up the Phantom that's fine but I already started breeding the Pastel het Clown so she'll have to stay here.

My reason to want to ship was to avoid any possible altercation.

Had he threatened you to get you to go back on your word?

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Bobby, The Pastel female he was suppose to bring up to me in September and if he had done that I would have bred him to the Pied I bred my Clown too. He didn't bring his snakes to me until Nov 24th and 50 days later after I bred his Pastel multiple times is when he wanted to not keep his word.
The Pastel Phantom I had no problem giving him back to him at anytime.

Everything said between us is documented in the messages I posted and I haven't gone back on my word and I'm sticking to our agreement.

 

[Fangthane]

Dan may be okay with breaking contracts whether verbal or in writing but that’s on you. When I make an agree I stick to it whether I like it or not.

Like you agreed to let him come and pick up his male, then suddenly decided to change your mind? Only to eventually relent and at least allow him to pick up one of his snakes? Yeah, you're a bastion of integrity and consitancy.

If my only options are to choose between being the bully or the victim, yeah, I'll gladly choose the latter - the victim who calls an obviously vague agreement into question, and simply wants what's rightfully his. I have no interest in clinging to that which isn't mine. Sadly, your own sensibilities make you perfectly content to be the former.

Also you may have missed that Adam met with me on April 30th to pick up his Pastel Phantom or that we both agreed to discontinue breeding his Pastel with my Clown. It was also agreed that he would get his Pastel back in July providing she lacks signs of becoming gravid. If she shows signs of becoming gravid then she will stay here just as Adam and I originally agreed upon. I’m not trying to take advantage of him but I’m also not going to let anyone take advantage of me. I’ve been really patient with him despite his mood swings. It was also his threat to me to post our emails on the BOI and then Jesus posted up on the FB Ball Python Breeders group as noted in this screenshot.
Tell me how I was not in contact with Adam during that time frame?

Funny thing about putting someone under duress, by holding their animal hostage: they're often willing to do whatever is required to get their property returned, even if it's agreeing to something that they clearly don't want.

Back to projecting your own possibly shady intentions, I see. You've shamelessly exploited every aspect of this situation. Him reclaiming his property would be in no way taking advantage of you. Up until the point where there would be offspring that were definitely sired by your males, AND he'd choose not to give you your rightful cut, that rationalization is just as lame as anything else you're spewed.

Who said anything about you not being in contact with him? As with the terms of the initial agreement, it now appears that you're just pulling things out of thin air. Shocker...

 

[radera5]

My reason to want to ship was to avoid any possible altercation.

Adam is obviously a noob and doesn't understand what a real breeding consist of. It's great to have certain expectations, it's great to want things a certain way and it's great to always hope for the best and all that but as hard as it seems to be for some people to understand, a verbal agreement was made. As hard as it is for some to understand, no knowledgeable ball python breeder would ever expect a breeder loan to take only a few months. Ludicrous. Should one's ignorance and lack of knowledge void a verbal agreement? I don't think so.
I don't think there is much need to break it down into legalities when many of us who actually breed snakes understand whats going on here.
Instead of more justification for someone who can not man up and hold up his end of a deal, we should be calling this what it is.
Making a good deal of assumptions for someone who refuses to even come speak for themselves when the whole problem is laid out in front of us isn't going to help Adam. He needs to be taught to finish out his deals. He needs to be more thorough when making agreements of any kind or else the next thing we might see is another BOI with his name on it. I personally don't know many in the industry that would deal with Adam's shenanigans with a breeder loan. I don't think we'll ever know the answer considering I don't know who would do a loan with Adam after reading this but I have a feeling most would tell him the same thing Steve has said, "she's staying until eggs (per Steve's and Adam's conversations), Adam will receive half the clutch if one appears otherwise Adam will be getting his snake back in July".

I'm not seeing Steve out of line anywhere there. Steve didn't make anything up, he didn't lie, he didn't create his own timeline...he is sticking to the original agreement. He never said he was going to keep her forever if she didn't lay this year, etc...

Adam needs to put his big boy panties on and take a breeder loan for what it is, chill out, let the snakes do their thing, let the guy you oh so trusted with your snakes do what needs to be done to get the best results possible.

Lastly and just for the record...
Ball python breeding season: it can change for everyone but generally we look at 5-6 months of actual pairing with snakes...some people breed year round, some people breed from Jan-Jun, some from Nov-April or May...fact is, 5-6 months is a long estimate...so lets think about this...

Jan 27th Steve gets the snakes
60 days minimum for QT
So somewhere around Mar 27th Steve could finally consider pairing
It's now Jun 3rd...That's a measly 10 weeks (not quite) that he has even been able to pair the Pastel in question! LOL

Justify that as a breeder loan all you want, to us who actually know about breeding ball pythons...that is laughable. That's not a "season"...that's not even a "loan"! That is "hey, feed my snakes for a few months would ya?".

All this talk about "how long"...let's at the very least be realistic here.

 

[GMTIRRILL]

I am one that doesn't know much about breeding ball pythons but I have read this thread from page 1 till the end.

it seems to me that some people have issues with serpent den so they believe that he is at fault in this cluster

here is my opinion since a verbal agreement is legal binding as long as both people agree to the terms, then serpent den has the right to hold the female ball until there is proof of pregnancy is determined or failure of pregnancy is confirmed as to the conditions of the verbal agreement that both agreed to. as for the male dying from a URI that is due to Adam not taking the animal to the vet and getting treatment for him. and if Adam wishes to break the verbal agreement then I think serpent den should send the animal back but with a bill for food expense and upkeep while she was in his care. its seems that he wants the female, eggs and the whole cake and since the price clowns can be in thousands of dollars it is not good business sense to break from the deal agreed too

 

[Shadera]

Don't know who the subjects of the thread are, but have been neutral otherwise. I wouldn't do business with any of the parties based on behaviors I've seen here.

when many of us who actually breed snakes understand whats going on here.

I bet you can see for miles from that lofty perch ...

I'm not seeing Steve out of line anywhere there. Steve didn't make anything up, he didn't lie, he didn't create his own timeline...he is sticking to the original agreement. He never said he was going to keep her forever if she didn't lay this year, etc...

Did you actually READ all the messages your friend there posted? Christ Almighty, it's been a long time since I've seen someone talk to someone else that way. No remorse for the part he had to play in the snakes owner's angst, either. You don't suppose things could have been handled differently at all? Really? There was no timeline given when the snakes were handed over. It wasn't necessarily unreasonable for the owner to be frustrated that his pastel phantom was sitting there in Steve's racks, unused. They're his animals, he has every right to ask for them back, just as everyone seems to think it's Steve's right to keep them as long as he wishes.

60 days minimum for QT

I often wonder how many of the "experts" actually practice what they preach?

Steve, I'm pretty disappointed in the way you spoke to this guy. Although I understand you were angry that he was wanting his animals back before you were done with them, he didn't get out of line until you did. Just as he is supposed to trust you to hang onto them, why is that not extended back the other way in allowing him to take his female back and trust that if she lays you'll be given your half? If he was such a bad person, why even enter into such an agreement? He might be a dealbreaker, but you behaved like a child in some of those replies.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Shadera,

Adam could have broken our breeder loan at anytime while I had his snakes in quarantine, I wouldn’t have had a problem with that. He waited until I bred my Clown to his Pastel multiple times.

It’s an assumption but a very valid one that perhaps he had every intention on having me care, feed and breed his Pastel and then expect me to give her back.

I don't know Adam well enough and sorry I can't trust a guy who can’t keep his word.

 

[scrammin]

Hello my names Adam Tawfeek, the person this thread is posted about.
Fist off I must have said multilple time to Steve since you yourself has stated she has no follicular development way after the season was over and yes granted females do tend to ovulate later past the season, but she wasnt and i smiple wanted my animal back to try her for next season being that this season didnt go well on my end atleast. I also said may times if she does ovulate in my care, you will be fully updated with pictures and anything else that may please you, I made if very clear many times if a clutch come it is still 50% his, there is no indication that I wanted him to just feed and breed them, take them back and keep everything for myself. I think I said in the emails its not about money to me.
So me trying to scam him out of an entire clutch that didnt exsist and still doesnt nor do follicles exsist is insane and just insane assuptions when facts of that not being the case are there for easy reading. I never asked for my aniamls back directly after locks with his male it was months later that nothing had come from it and i decied, I lost this season with a male and a female let me atleast try for next season with my own aniamls.
after begging for my aniamls back, Steve gave me the option to stop introduction his male and wait a few months to see what comes of her, I simply agreed to HIS option and the nect thing i hear from him is, I know when im being taken advatage of so talk about mood swings if thats not an uncalled for mood swing and an insane assumtion when I simple took his option, then I dont know what is.
Another thing is Steve never told me hes not using his pied to my pastel phantom till after he recived my aniamls when the pied was already gravid prior to him getting them so to me thats shady. He also said that there would be 2 mojave females lined up for him before he got my animals and again the story changed to well im only using one now and i doubt shes going to go after my phantom had locked he was doubting anything would come from her, shady??? not only that he said he bred that same female the locked with my phantom to a mojave pied as well which he didnt tell me till recently when I asked about her.
So if you felt so strongly about her ot going or being up to weight why bred 2 different males mine including when she was only supposed to be lined up for mine, what would be the whole point of asking me for a breeder loan in the first place, which goes back to him using my male with other females and not telling me.
I am sorry If I sound like an a** but I think anyone in my shoes in this situation with the shady stuff tht went on and the lack of using a male you asked me to use and nothing coming from him besides one female lock thst you stated you bred to a mojave pied as well, would feel the same way.
I think the reason why Steve assumed I was trying to screw him out of a clutch is because he indeed has intentions of doing that to me, for inctense a gf or bf is cheating on the other but is accusing the other that is loyal when they indeed are to make themselves feel better or feel like they are off the radar with it, this seems to play hand and hand with his extreme assumtions and actions towards someone who hasnt done anything wrong to him, and is trying to be more then resonable with everything to insure we are both hsppy in the end.
I cant say the same for Steve I mean what has he really lost from all this??? NOTHING, I am the one with one dead animal and one still in his care, its not like im on here demanding he replace him, it was my fault i didnt say somthing the second i noticed something, but for someone to believe its my fault the animals dead is obsurd, steve got the animal in perfect health and had him longer then I had him, he was purchased in my care for 3 months and steve asked for a breeder loan in which I agreed, i get the animal back and in maybe a month he dies in the summer months with no cooling on my end being done and non of my animals showing any signs of URI and havent since I have had them. Say wgat you want I cant come to term with this being my wrong doing. Yes he should have been to a vet but lets be honest he dies in about a month thats way to fast in normal conditions for an established animal to just die, everything happened really fast no matter what could have been done im my opinion.

Now for me being so immature why was Steve the one going off on me, cursing me out and saying things that dont even matter about my personal life and past and im the immutre one with mood swings. Read back and see if you could keep calm and collected during his threats on your animals, in which I did keep my cool the first time through his nonsence, no one is perfect so yes I admint I did go off after being bullied for so long, is it so wrong to stand up for yourself against a shady, money hungery, control freak who has your aniamls and is telling you what hes going to do and what your not.
In some peoples eyes im going to be wrong regardless and I get that and am fine with it, but steve took me for a ride the entire season and I have nothing to show for it besideds and dead snake and one still in his care, not only that he post this to try and kick me when im down and for what, what have I actually physically done to this man besides ask for my animals back that he "claims" didnt do anything this season.

Thank you for your time,
Adam tawfeek

 

[scrammin]

One other thing, Steve's reasoning for not wanting to meet me because of altercation is a lie, of he posted everything he said he did, I said to him I have no record our violent charges against me,I have a clean record and want to keep it that way I simply just want to peacefully pick my animals up.
His response was I'm not worried about that I can defend myself well and am not worried about that.
So his new reason for not wanting to meet is a straight up lie, as I stressed I wanted to peacefully just come pick them up.

Thanks,
Adam Tawfeek

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Adam,

You asked for your animals back 50 days after my Clown started breeding your Pastel, 50 days is not a long time and it shouldn’t be expected for a female to grow large enough follicles in that time especially to ovulate. I started breeding my animals in September and I’m just beginning to see females develop decent size follicle or ovulate and just got my 4th clutch in the incubator. I told you just days ago your Pastel has developed what I can feel are pea sized follicles “screenshot 68 which is in post 73 of this thread” at this time and if they don’t develop more by July that I would give her back to you which gives you plenty of time to breed her for next season.

If you would have brought your snakes up sooner as we discussed I would have bred your Pastel Phantom to my Pied but I bred her when she was ready as I was unsure when or if you would come through bringing your animals to me.

The second female Mojave I felt just didn’t have enough weight gained back from her 2012 clutch. The reason I some doubt that your Pastel Phantom may not sire the Mojave clutch if there is one is I only witnessed one lock and since you got your Pastel Phantom back I’m not going to stop breeding her so I began pairing her with my Mojave Pied. In the event she has a clutch sired by your Pastel Phantom you are entitled to half that clutch and I have and will continue be keeping you updated with pictures like the one I sent you the other day. In the event I get eggs I will videotape the clutch and mark the eggs and videotape cutting the eggs so you will have no doubt in what comes from it.

Regarding your Pastel Phantom you stated to me a month later that your not trying to pin anything on me but he has a URI and the next thing you’re blaming me and you did mention having me replace him. You didn’t take me up on my offer to help and refused taking him to the vet because you didn’t have 100.00 + dollars between you and your partner. You told me the day before he died that he was getting better on his own being kept at an ambient temperature of 89-90 degrees with a hotspot of 94 which imo was to hot. None of my Ball Pythons have URI’s including the Mojave your male bred.


I didn’t mention violence I don’t want any altercation whether it be verbal or whatever.

I want this to end peacefully.

 

[hhmoore]

Adam,
I'm fairly sure I remember your name...why the new account?
(I don't remember your username at the moment, but I'm sure it will be easy enough to track down when I get home later)

 

[Fangthane]

I think This Thread tells all that need be known about how the OP operates. There's an absolute plethora of interesting information in there. Anything from his continual inability to admit to any wrongdoing; keeping illegal species; suspicions of very questionable breeding loan activities; paranoid delusions of nefarious conspiracy theories (looks kinda familiar, don't it?); and last but not least, a cornucopia of bad decisions which resulted in many snakes being left abandoned in a closed shop.

Well, not the high-end ones. No. Someone made good and sure that they were taken out in time. Gotta make sure the big money snakes are kept safe, right? That is what it's all about: the money. Who cares what you have to do to get it. As I said before, he's someone for whom the ends always seem to justify the means. It's a shame that he didn't effectively hone his police evasion skills until after his animals were seized. If his extended period on the lam had started sooner, well over 100 animals may not have been left to fend for themselves. He even threatened legal action against the guy who got to help clean up his mess by being given custody of the abandoned snakes.

Yeah, this is one stand-up guy. And he actually threw things from Adam's past back in his face. Unbelievable. Just wait for it; it was all an orchestrated plot to bring him down. Half a dozen agencies all collaborated against him. I'm sure most of the charges were probably dropped, and he'd be quick to latch on to that to vindicate himself. To that, I'd have only this to say: Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson...

Nothing is ever his fault. Being a deadbeat dad; being back on taxes; not paying his rent and utilities; not having a contingency plan for his large collection; and certainly not the utter lack of decency that this thread shows. Nope. There's always someone else to blame. You guys circle the wagons all you want, just understand who and what you're supporting: A total piece of . He is, and remains, a worthless individual. One that's officially no longer worth my time. What a waste of skin.

 

[scrammin]

Steve, you never told me you bred her to a mojave pied after my male had been with her, you stated " my mojave pied has been with her several" times, that could mean before or after but odds are before, she was with him several time in one month and you didn't tell me until I asked if you felt follicles or anything like that??? again shady.
It's funny how you want things to end peacefully, didn't you say I didn't have a leg to stand on way before a BOI was posted?
I my opinion, in your efforts to kick me wait let me re phrase that stomp me while I was down didn't seem to go as you planned so now you want things to end peacefully. I guarantee if every single person on here was smashing me to the ground and only taking your side in this matter you would be kicking back having a good old time laughing it up right?? right. You really are a sorry excuse for a human being not only because of this but based on everything I see posted here about your past, makes me really wonder now what my male was really bred to regardless of what you say, and yes I cook my animal 3 degrees higher then a normal hot spot when he was dying of URI, your right Steve just like you have been right about everything else in that psychotic brain of yours.
Steve seen an opportunity to take advantage of a young guy trying to do what he loves and is passionate about and did just that, why because all Steve cares about is money and that is all, it shows in everything he's been involved in and in this situation. I said it once and ill say it again the biggest mistake I made was trusting Steve and handing my animals over to him. If people want to keep running around the same topic of what a breeder loan is, which really is their opinion of what it is because breeder loans are always going to be different to the next depending on who your working with, that is fine but I will not chase you around that topic.

Thanks for your time,
Adam Tawfeek

 

[Bobby Douglass]

Adam is obviously a noob and doesn't understand what a real breeding consist of. It's great to have certain expectations, it's great to want things a certain way and it's great to always hope for the best and all that but as hard as it seems to be for some people to understand, a verbal agreement was made. As hard as it is for some to understand, no knowledgeable ball python breeder would ever expect a breeder loan to take only a few months. Ludicrous. Should one's ignorance and lack of knowledge void a verbal agreement? I don't think so.
I don't think there is much need to break it down into legalities when many of us who actually breed snakes understand whats going on here.Instead of more justification for someone who can not man up and hold up his end of a deal, we should be calling this what it is.
Making a good deal of assumptions for someone who refuses to even come speak for themselves when the whole problem is laid out in front of us isn't going to help Adam. He needs to be taught to finish out his deals. He needs to be more thorough when making agreements of any kind or else the next thing we might see is another BOI with his name on it. I personally don't know many in the industry that would deal with Adam's shenanigans with a breeder loan. I don't think we'll ever know the answer considering I don't know who would do a loan with Adam after reading this but I have a feeling most would tell him the same thing Steve has said, "she's staying until eggs (per Steve's and Adam's conversations), Adam will receive half the clutch if one appears otherwise Adam will be getting his snake back in July".

I'm not seeing Steve out of line anywhere there. Steve didn't make anything up, he didn't lie, he didn't create his own timeline...he is sticking to the original agreement. He never said he was going to keep her forever if she didn't lay this year, etc...

Adam needs to put his big boy panties on and take a breeder loan for what it is, chill out, let the snakes do their thing, let the guy you oh so trusted with your snakes do what needs to be done to get the best results possible.

Lastly and just for the record...
Ball python breeding season: it can change for everyone but generally we look at 5-6 months of actual pairing with snakes...some people breed year round, some people breed from Jan-Jun, some from Nov-April or May...fact is, 5-6 months is a long estimate...so lets think about this...

Jan 27th Steve gets the snakes
60 days minimum for QT
So somewhere around Mar 27th Steve could finally consider pairing
It's now Jun 3rd...That's a measly 10 weeks (not quite) that he has even been able to pair the Pastel in question! LOL

Justify that as a breeder loan all you want, to us who actually know about breeding ball pythons...that is laughable. That's not a "season"...that's not even a "loan"! That is "hey, feed my snakes for a few months would ya?".

All this talk about "how long"...let's at the very least be realistic here.

Good job patting yourself on the back. Just because people see things a different way than you do does not mean you know more than they do regardless of how many emoticons you use.

 

[radera5]

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Good job patting yourself on the back. Just because people see things a different way than you do does not mean you know more than they do regardless of how many emoticons you use.

Than you for reiterating my points.

and just for you Bob...

 

[radera5]

Thank*

 

[Otter_23]

Steve at the beginning when you acquired the snakes from Adam did you actually have any snakes ready to breed? I do think it was unfair to accept the phantom pastel if you knew it was going to take months to get your females up to weight. Also 8 months to breed and know if the breeding is going to take or not? Whew I guess I have been lucky because it has never taken me that long.