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"Giving sight to the blind but the dumber mostly." -Wu-Tang Clan

Should I start with Shelly, Toni or Project-jerkoff-is? Hummm, decisions. I think I’ll start with Toni. I can’t claim I came up with that name for you Dennis but I like it better than pardalis, it fits much better.

Now I know who you are Toni. Aren’t you that 80 year old woman who has animals and probably shouldn’t because you are so old you could drop dead at any minute? Well, tell me then if it isn’t Shelly or Lane then who was it? Could it have been Aline perhaps? You see, I knew your buddies(LL/LC) wouldn’t have enough backbone to claim getting that animal to you which is why I brought it up because that left the brown starfish you guys like to kiss that belongs to Kalaam. You just made it much more sweet by adamantly saying it wasn’t them. So, maybe one of you might want to reconsider your response because leaving it open that Kalam doesn’t provide quality animals all the time might not be in your best interst. One more clarification, when you posy on a public forum it become public business. If you don't like people using your posts, don't post and keep the crying to personal emails.

If Project-jerkoff-is had read my post he would have seen that I said that WC Lucifer was way over priced but nowhere did I assign him any grade, A-F. I said that other animal, what you call a Picasso, was B grade at best, especially when he is showing more red than blue in his bars and it only looks like it will get more red. In fact he is such a B grade Ambilobe I thought he was an Ambanja at first. What a great deal you got there, a cheap animal and one that makes you look like a “jerkoff” because you go prancing around like he is something good. As for the WC, consider this, they probably had that animal for maybe a few weeks at the very most and maybe paid $300-350 for him initially at the very most. That means that there was about a 35-50% mark up on him and he isn’t even acclimated, which means you could run into the same problems that Toni is going through, “he isn’t eating or drinking, HELP”. So if you think that was a great deal, I’ve got a slightly used bridge you can have at a good price. I’ll even knock off 25% is you paypal me right now, LOL. As for that animal you got from Ivan, I will say that he was expensive. There are two things to make it worth it though, he is CB and probably won’t die on you unless you mess him up (more than you could say for that WC) and he is the best animal you have by far and it gets even further when you compare Legendcham’s male to him or that WC. Now, since you like to jump into things I’ve got something to share that a few people have told me about you regarding your roach business.

Please Project-jerkoff-is tell me if I am wrong but didn’t you cut out a friend of yours in order to take their place producing roaches for that guy Lucas, California Silkworms? In fact wasn’t it this same friend that actually GAVE you your initial roaches and taught you how to keep them just to be friendly and nice? Wow man, you are one cutthroat SOB. You cut out the person that was nice enough to give you a small colony of roaches and shows you how to raise them and for a buck no less. Maybe you aren’t as cut throat as you boss John for letting this happen but you are a pretty significant piece of slime.

Finally Shelly. When you sell animals at a greatly “discounted” price that end up dying that isn’t considered doing something nice it is called dumping your animals before they die. So you sold him a parasite ridden animal for $50 that is pretty nice of you especially when it is better to get $50 back than zero when she dies. If you were so against selling her why did you? Don’t give me the “he begged me” BS because if you had the animals interest in mind you wouldn't have shipped her in the condition she was in. As for that Ambanja, just give it a little time I am sure we will see another “sad vet visit”. I haven’t seen any new pics of that animal, so maybe he is dead already. The only animal that guy is getting compliments on is that Ambilobe that Ivan had bred. So, basically are you telling me the only animal that is doing well is an animal you haven’t touched? That is very interesting. The female with the eye infection you admit had URI. Again I say to you, if you had the animal’s best interest at heart rather than your wallet you wouldn’t have shipped her and made sure she was better because she obviously wasn’t. As for One Eye, maybe he didn’t want to send him back to “Hotel Death” because he wanted to help the animal and not send him to a death sentence. She was probably so quick to get him back because she probably realized that guy Doug knew what he was looking at and knew that would mean bad news for hers and your name, which it did. All in all you guys dumped some animals that were in poor health or dying and then have the audacity to claim you were trying to give him a deal. Talk about pond scum, eh?

As for the buying and reselling of animals, that is fine but expect to be called a scavenger, scalper or used car sales woman. You have never successfully bred, hatched and grown up animals Shelly so can’t consider yourself a true breeder, you are really just a second rate broker in the very best light. Oh, if you were really getting out of Chameleons why did you buy all those Mitsios? I mean when someone is getting out of something they get rid of or sell whatever interest they have in that particular hobby. Basically, you don't buy more when you are getting out fo something. Another lie perhaps?

Dennis Madson

...Where is Lane? Looks like Mythical Chameleons with their emails to/from her showing that she has been lying have her pretty tied up with the truth. What a shame...
 
Now I know who you are Toni. Aren’t you that 80 year old woman who has animals and probably shouldn’t because you are so old you could drop dead at any minute? Well, tell me then if it isn’t Shelly or Lane then who was it?

Dennis,

You are 100% out of line. I know Toni personally as she is a customer that comes into our shop at least twice a week. She spends a lot of time, money and energy on her chameleons while working a full time job. I have spent hours discussing with her in detail the keeping of chameleons and part of that discussion has been different techniques used by different chameleon owners. She also purchases chameleons from many different sources, one of which is us. I have also seen (and purchased) the quality of her offspring. Toni posted a question on a forum requesting help and advice with one of her animals and your misuse of that post is only overshadowed by your petty and personal attack of her. This is the type of thing that keeps the chameleon community in the backwoods of herpotology with a very poor level of information and growth.
 
continued misinformation for madson!

the "friend" you are talking about that gave me my first few roaches(30-40) is a person i have met once and been to her house another time to pick up the roaches(once to buy a tank from and once to pick up the roaches) and talked to in KS chat off and on, along with a dozen other people that i did the same with for a couple months, hardly some one i would consider a "friend". what you dont know is i had bought roaches from reptyls around the same time. so no that person did not get me started or teach me teach me anything in fact when i pick up the few roaches she gave me she was nowwhee around, her boyfriend gave them to me. so once again you're just spouting off with misinformation! nice try.

dennis
 
dennis madson aka the sheriff

it's funny madson you can only bring up the roach "issue" concerning me as if it was suppose to be a BAD thing with all YOUR MISINFORMATION AND OUTRIGHT LIES. it just so happened i recieved an email recently threatening to expose a story about me if i didn't keep quiet. the roach thing is the best you could come up with?!

below is a copy of the threat i recieved from the sheriff AKA Dennis Madson aparently that isnt your real name either. notice the mention of the mitsos also just as he did with shelly. coincidence, i dont think so!

Dennis


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Tell your butt buddy John to tell his puppet master "Legendcham"
that she is next, I saw those posts from that Madson guy. That combined with the
Jaoack-Asoanas (Nosey Mitsios aka the Jackass Legendcham Panther) fiasco equals
too much. I'm watching and that goes doubly for you and your "Chameleon
Porn" - so tread carefully, I've heard a VERY interesting story about you
I'm sure you wouldn't like me to put my two cents in about.

~The Sheriff


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You really need to get your facts straight

The ambanja female sold to Doug was hardly half dead. This link to the gallery shows what she looked like when shipped. As far as I know she is still alive. I held on to Silk until satisified she was well healed. When Doug posted pictures of Orion on the gallery he had compliments on the animal. Like it or not - Orin was an incredible ambanja. I agreed to buy Mafanas BEFORE the decision to quit working with panthers. I bought them and will rel-sell them after getting some eggs in the incubator. Does this bother you? To bad. Does this make me evil? Hardly.

Attacking a woman (Tony) you don't even know is pathetic. You don't know her or anyting about her so you make something up. Whatever for? You are one sick dude. Just wondering - you wouldn't happen to go by an alias called The Sheriff would you? Wouldn't expect you to admit it. You two definitely have the same style of writing.
 
also note the simularity in "madson's" use of calling someone a puppet and the sheriff's use.this is from this thread:

Your puppet Shelly had posted in your defense on a thread I started that was deleted so please don’t try to say you have no idea what I am talking about :

About eye problems: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=474728,474728 and http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=472563,472563

About dying chameleons you’ve sold: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=471032,471032

WC you sold that isn’t eating and loosing weight: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=469355,469355

About having to put down a Chameleon you sold that was FULL of parasites: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=468306,468306

Well Cracky, deny all this. Sure, you might have whined to the forum moderator to take my posts down on KS but that was to be expected. Kingsnake after all is really just a bubbles and gum drops site anyways and will delete anything that goes against the status quo, I am sure Fauna members can vouch for that. The only problem for you now Lane is that you can’t cry to Webslave to get this buried. So please, try to wiggle or slither out of this one Legendcham because I doubt you can.

Dennis Madson

…As for buying anything from you that would never happen. I don’t deal in B grade animals with parasites.

and this is from the threating email i recieved from the sheriff AKA "Dennis Madson":

Tell your butt buddy John to tell his puppet master "Legendcham"
that she is next, I saw those posts from that Madson guy. That combined with the
Jaoack-Asoanas (Nosey Mitsios aka the Jackass Legendcham Panther) fiasco equals
too much. I'm watching and that goes doubly for you and your "Chameleon
Porn" - so tread carefully, I've heard a VERY interesting story about you
I'm sure you wouldn't like me to put my two cents in about.

~The Sheriff
 
so who is "Dennis Madson" really?

i can only think of one think of one person that would fight for ivan tooth and nail and also is close to my past "acquaintances". i can only know of one person and he lives in san diego.

matt your sherade as the sheriff and ddmadson are over. what you have done on KS, repeatedly posting after being banned and harassing members of the chameleon forum and then private emails to me is a crime called cyber stalking and have already been reported to the san diego police department who just happen to have a cyber crimes division. you may be able to hide from KS but it's over now! thanks for all your help!!

Dennis
 
Close, but no cigar...

Well, what can I say other than it is about time. I have been dropping hints and clues that even Inspector Gadget would have picked up on for over a month and you guys finally figure it out. In fact, I was so sure that you guys were dumber than I expected that I was going to start signing my posts Dennis “The Sheriff” Madson. So, Jerkoff-is you, or should I say Lane isn’t as smart as you thought. The real piece of evidence that I figured you guys should have picked up on was the Dennis “there is no I in” Madson as I had posted a few weeks ago “…this is how you spell: The S-H-E-R-I-F-F”.

Let’s face it Dennis, you aren’t smart enough to figure this all out by yourself and your post proves it. Since you want compare writing, lets. All your previous posts, here and on KS, shows you to basically have just barely a HS degree education level. You can’t punctuate, capitalize or form complete sentences let alone be smart enough to go to the “Internet task for bringing down The Sheriff”. Soemthing potential customer should consider as how can this guy raise roaches but not form a complete sentence. Now, all the sudden you in this particular post can use periods and such and have went to “the task” force. Hummmm, a little odd don’t you think. Even the phrases you’ve used in this post aren’t something that would come out of your mouth and smell of something Lane would say. After all she is the one that LOVES going around, from what people have told me and shown emails of, threatening law suits or legal action. You Jerkoff-is are barely intelligent enough to turn a door knob let alone pronounce “internet stalking” or “masquerading”. Yet your gross misspellings makes it seem that it was probably something told to you over the phone or something.

As for me being a “persona” of Matt, lol. I will admit that I do know him and have bought a couple Sambavas from him but I assure you that we are separate people. If anyone has multiple personalities it is your “master” Lane. In fact if I hadn’t seen a picture of you with that ridiculous inbred, lumber jack beard you sport I would have thought you were personality 6b of Lane’s. I will give you credit though that I did learn about your backstabbing roach business from Matt but that was a long time ago and believe it or not I have heard it from a couple other people since and no matter what you say you, a few people and I know the truth. But, he wasn’t the one to clue me in about Lane and Shelly’s “honest” business practices. I just learned by being astute and reading posts on KS and photo gallery pictures. Of course you are saying, “yeah sure” but that doesn’t make a difference to me as I don’t care if you believe he is I or I am him or whatever. As for me defending Ivan “tooth and nail”, another statement that is too large to come from you, I am not defending him. He has produced better animals pure and simple there isn’t anything for me to say to discredit that. This is the truth and I have been using that fact to strengthen my argument while at the same time using it to piss Lane off because it is obvious that she is jealous of the success he has had but not her.

I don’t like Ivan Alfonso B.F.D. (B.ig F.####ing D.eal). The only reason why I am using his interest to see Lane go down is because it suits me. In fact there have been plenty of times where I have attacked him on the forums of chamresearch because he is a know it all that only sells animals to a so-called privileged crowd, I am sure “The Icequeen” can vouch for that because she was another of my targets at the time. It just so happens this time that the enemy of my enemy is my friend for the moment. Don’t worry Jerkoff-is, read that last sentence again slowly and you’ll understand what it means. Don’t worry though as soon as this is all over again and I see the opportunity to bash Ivan, I will. The resounding fact here is that you Jerkoff-is and your posse are now groping for anything because you guys are on the ropes. I have been just posting funny, yet very truthful stuff but Ivan has provided evidence for most of his arguments. So tell your posse that I guess it is time to go back to the drawing board. All you’ve done is something I’ve wanted you guys to figure out for a while now. Wow, looks like you guys can pat yourselves on the back. Too bad that it doesn’t change the truth I’ve unleashed here. Btw, just because people use big words like Mitsios and puppets doesn’t mean they are the same people. You’ll need better proof than that, lucky for you I have grown tired of going around as the Sheriff and let the cat out.

Project-jerkoff-is, your fine is to read a couple Agatha Christy novels, provided your reading level is up to par, to see what a real mystery is. Don’t think that all this excuses you posting sick chameleon porn on KS.

Dennis “The Sheriff” Madson
 
Ivan,

This is the last time that you, or your henchmen will get a response from me. Can you read? I said in my post that
you got two free Picasso's out of me, and some worm-saver.
Show me where I posted that you stole them from me. I also posted that I never got any thing from you but average
chameleons. Compare the pic of Alkabides when he was young,
to the recent picture. I would not breed him, because of this.
Maybe you can explain what happened, since you bred him.
It sure does not make any sense to me. As you know I paid
Matt Jillison ( your best friend) $550 for him, and I sold him for
$250. A loss of $300. The Kraken female was sold to me for
$300, and I sold her for $250, a loss of $50. Of course she is
dead now. Your new friend Doug Perry, who bought her, said
that she ate and drank that day, and just fell over dead. Would
you like for me to post the e-mail from Doug Perry stating this
fact? I told you over the phone, a month after getting her that
she was very small for her age. She was half the size of Cyclone.
Now Cyclone grew, was bred, and laid eggs, but I will now know
for sure if she is a pure Ambilobe until the eggs hatch. I bred her
with a pure w/c Ambilobe, the pictures are on Kingsnake. So if
she is truly a pure Ambilobe from Cyclops then the $200 that I
paid for her would be well worth it. Thank you for posting the
e-mails that I sent you, it only proves just how I treat people that
I consider friends. It is obvious that you are very,very mentally
or emotionally disturbed. Even though I do not like you, I prayed
for you in church today. I sincerely pray that you will see the
light someday, and stop trying to hurt people when you do not
get what you want. I am glad that all of this finally came out,
people can judge for themselves the type of people that we are.
End of Story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hello and welcome back to 8th grade!!!

I've been sitting back and watching all of this for a few days, and I can't believe it all. What the hell is the matter with all of you? Does anyone remember why they got into the hobby in the first place? I can't believe I entered into it just in time to get caught up in all of this #@#&!!!. What a nightmare.
As Tony did (not that I know her from Eve, with the exception of what I've read here), I'd like to set some things straight. I'm not interested in storytime! I bought Orion from Shelly. I was, and still am exceptionally pleased with him. I did post a pic of him on KS. I did not however, get ANY compliments. Not that I care anymore because comments of any kind from people of your character mean nothing to me anyways. Orion still thrives, and is a fantastic ambanja!
I then found out that Shelly and her partner Lane were cutting way back on chams due to various reasons. I heard Lane was selling hers for great prices. Shelly sent me pics of what was for sale (out of what she thought I might be interested in). I agreed to Alkibiades and Kraken's daughter. Then out of the blue one day Lane called me while I was working and asked about Jovcham from KS. I told her what I knew about her, and that I had worked with her at one point. Then I asked why. She told me that she was affraid that Jovcham and Ivan were close and that Jovcham had asked to buy One Eye. She then proceeded to tell me that she would rather put down any of her animals before she would ever let Ivan come anywhere near them. At this point all I knew about Ivan was what Lane and Shelly had told me (which was less than favorable to say the least). Lane then asked if I wanted One Eye and asked me to keep him away from Ivan. I agreed. She also told me she had another female Ambilobe (the daughter of Cyclopse) that had just laid a clutch and if I wanted her she'd sell her to me as soon as she recovered. I said sure. Then came Lane's shipment. One Eye, Kraken's daughter (Oasis), and Alkibiades. I had concerns about One Eye right from the start. The pics of him were fabulous, but what I got was less than spectacular. I phoned Lane and told her of my concerns. She quelled my fears by telling me that I had never owned a WC cham and therefore didn't need to worry. The way he looked was normal for them. She DID say that if I was too worried that she would find a home for him. She never mentioned anything about money, and I never asked. I did remember Shelly telling me that all of Lane's sales were final because of her situation. At the prospect of losing my money I told her I made a commitment, and I'd stick with it. I wouldn't hold it against him that he was beaten up. His personality was good. The other two were great. I'd move on. Between all of this Shelly told me that she had a purple bar female and a VERY large WC female for sale if I were interested. I said YES!!! Silk had just laid a clutch, and Broad was thin. She told me that she'd throw in Broad for $50 since she was probably old (but in good health), and because I had bought so many from them. I was a little skeptical but thought it was a good deal, so I agreed. She then called me back and said that Silk had gotten a URI, as did some others in her collectio, so she was going to medicate the whole lot, and ship them when they were better. I told her no worries, I even offered to pay for meds for the 2. She declined, and said it was not necessary. Mean while, back at the ranch....Alk was doing very well, as was Oasis. One Eye wouldn't eat for me. I tried everything I could think of. I tried emailing lane a few times, as well as Shelly to ask if Lane was upset with me over something. Finally Lane responded and told me of a special diet that One Eye was on that I was unaware of. She also told me that the big boys also enjoyed anoles. I told her of my concern of pesticides in my area, and she told me to get some from a field away from houses. So I did. Alk loved them. One Eye still would not eat. This was a very busy time for me, and I unfortunately didn't have the time to spend with One Eye. I knew something needed to be done for him and didn't feel he could survive any sort of trip. I only knew of one other cham keeper in my area that was knowledgeable enough and had the time to make an effort with him-Jovcham. I was reluctant, but something had to be done. I asked her, and she said yes. She took him, and within a day had him eating right from her hand. She had the touch with him I guess. He seemed to be well on the road to recovery. Now everyone I had recieved from Lane seemed to be doing well. In the middle of all of this Shelly told me that the 2 girls were ready to go. So she shipped them and I got them in good order. Broad was much more cham than I expected, and a fabulous personality to boot. A couple of days later Oasis (Kraken's daughter) dropped dead with absolutely no warning. She had eaten 6-8 crickets and drank very well earlier that morning. Then the next day Silk got an eye infection and stopped eating. Then I posted picks of Broad and someone spotted the filarial worms in her side that I never had experience with before. After talking with people and researching them I looked harder at her and found 7 subcutaneous filarial worms. Then Jovacham informed me that One Eye had stopped eating and drinking, so she took him to the only vet in the area with actual chameleon experience (Ivan) after he had vomitted a handful of intestinal worms, and he was in such bad shape that she agreed to put him down rather than see him suffer. I then contacted Lane again about the female ambilobe from Cyclopse, and she told me she gave her to projectpardalis because his breeding efforts with BadAss were more important than mine. Those were her exact words. Needless to say I was a little put off. That's when I made the post on KS. I did not want to get into the mud slinging, and still don't. That's why I never gave any names, especially when I was pressed for them by ddmadson. I NEVER wanted to hurt anyone's business or reputation. I only said that I'd never buy from the previous owners of the batch I got again. I only wanted it to be a buyer beware post. Not about any particular breeder or seller, but a general one about the cham world. Make sure to ask lots of questions, and get lots of testimonials before shelling out as much money to one breeder like I did.
Silk is on the road to recovery. She's still not eating on her own, but she's put on 25% of her weight again. Her color and eyes are better, and she doesn't sleep as much. Broad is fine. She's up to a whopping 160 grams (bigger than Orion-152 grams). One Eye is in fact dead, as is Kraken's daughter. These are the facts to those that are interested in them.
Now for personal comments....

Dennis Maddson-I do thank you for a rather twisted attempt to do right by me, though I don't know you and have never talked to you, so I'm not really sure why. I agree with
 
Thank you Lane.

I really appreciate you praying for me. At least it shows you still have some good in you. However, I must have to say that I think that your post is like the pot calling the kettle black.
You might be the one mentally disturbed as your multiple personalities have showed. You called me a thief here in this thread and you have told multiple people that I stole your picassos from you because it was supposed to be a trade for a female from Anubis.
I already proved that there was no such trade and I already proved you have lied on everything else you accused me of. Now you take another direction and change the flow. If you are saying "end of story" or "this is my last post", why don't you really mean it? Stop posting because it shows that you are looking for anything to place unfounded blames.
You got good, healthy chameleons and you were extremely happy with all of them. Your emails do show how nice and friendly you were towards us and I can post several emails that show likewise from us. Does this make a difference in what we're dealing here with? No, so why did you bring that up? Again, looking for little things that make no sense.

As far as your new attack tactic of the purity of the animals. Well, if they are not pure, then it is all because I was not lucky to get all my animals from Olaf (not Olof) who is the only one that can be trusted with females according to your emails (I can post that one too). What happened to Alkibiades? The last posts I saw of him being fat and healthy under your care were pretty impressive and you were extremely happy with his size and health. He is under Doug's care now and he actually told me a few days ago that he turned yellow, red and blue. Maybe he didn't like being kept indoors all the time and his colors didn't improve. Doug is happy with him, Matt was happy with him and you were happy with him. How am I supposed to answer the fact that he looks different now than he did when he was a baby?

Kraken's daughter will be forever a mystery because she just died suddenly. If she was undersized for her age or if you were unhappy with her, why all the emails were you where so happy with her? I even sent you pics of her before you bought her (I have that email too). If she died suddenly it could have been something that happened to her during transit or under your care but I will never know and I never even touched that topic before. Grasping for accusations here?

Worry no more about keeping me in your prayers because I think you need to pray more for yourself. If I remember, I'll tell some people that I know that go every weekend to church to pray for you too. Hopefully you will get your stuff in order and your mind in gear and go back to a normal life.

PS. I don't have any henchmen. Perhaps you should call off yours.
 
oops, I hit submit by accident. Sorry, I'll finish now...

I do agree with dwedeking in that you were WAY out of line. You extrapolated quite a bit of your posts. Don't assume and post things you don't know the answers to.

Lane-We (well at least I) are interested in the truth. You can leave storytime for the kids. There is NO Ms. Perry (ie.-Jovcham), and I never told Shelly I was engaged. I plan to be at some point, but am not currently. I thought it funny that you told me you were leaving the country in a few months and I find out from Kalam on the phone that you had just bought quite a few chams the week after telling me that leaving the counrty was the reason for getting out of the business. ESPECIALLY after learning of a few phone calls you made asking for help with sick chameleons. Then finding out that it was only several weeks prior to the 3 that I bought from you were shipped. Since we all seem to be airing our dirty laundry, just thought you could help me figure that one out.

Shelly-I still continue to thank you for Orion. Silk is on the rebound. In hindsight I think she wasn't quite ready to be shipped, but these things aren't always outwardly apparent. I don't hold you responsible in any way for her condidtion. I would have liked to have known about Broad's filarial worms, but as I only paid $50 for her, I don't care. I love her and will keep her as a pet as long as she lives. Thank you again.

Toni-Kudos for sticking up for yourself. It seems that those that do around here get torn down pretty quickly. Unfortunately the moment we decide to post anything on these forum anything we say can and will be held against us. I didn't ask ddmaddson to say anything, I still don't know why he used me to lunge at Lane. I'm not sure what HIS beef with her is, and why it was necessary to throw us into the middle of it.

Ivan-Thank you for all your help and knowledge. Without it Silk would surely be a gone. There are tons of people out there that NEED to be right. I suppose that's one of the downsides to being one of the best in an elite group of people such as those that are able to keep chameleons alive. It's a very tricky business as I'm sure we're all aware. Everyone that has posted here is among that elite group, at least in my opinion. It's sad to see that it has come to this.

I have been a member of several forums both in the scientific community and the hobbyist community. Unfortunately there are those that feel the need to be RIGHT in all of them. In all of my experiences I have learned that every situation is different. As PROFESSIONALS you should be ashamed of yourselves. If someone no longer wants to do business with you, let it lie. No one is asking you to please everyone. There will always be people that think you're doing it wrong. Who cares. Those that know you do it right are the ones that buy and/or listen to you. THEY are the ones that keep your businesses growing, and they will pass it on to others. Those that don't will also pass it on to the people they know. People will make their own decisions. Grow up and DROP IT!!!
 
Doug half truths don't count!

Lane,

I got them in good order. Came in at 9:45am my time today. I LOVE Alkibides and the little girl, but I must say though that One Eye is a little worse off than I had imagined. He's got a growth by his right rear leg, a kinked tail, scars, interior of mouth is yellow, rough and raised scales around the lips, and the eyes (of which I knew). He's alert, and seems no worse for the wear from the shipping, and his demeanor is fine, but boy he's rough. If I'd known how bad he was I probably wouldn't have gotten him, no matter how cheap. I am a man of my word though, and appreciate you situation, so I WILL take good care of him for the rest of his days. Just not thrilled I spent $250 on him. The others are BEAUTIFUL though, and I thank you for them! Can you please furnish me with their information files? I'd like to have their approximate ages, where they came from and other info. Who did you say is the father of the female you just sent? Was it Kraken? The one I'm waiting on is the daughter of Cyclopse right? Just trying to keep it straight. Please also keep me up to date on the picasso babies. I'm anxiously awaiting a little boy. Thanks lane. Talk to you soon. Let me know when the other female abilobe is ready.

Doug.



>From: "Lane Gergely" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Tracking number
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:51:00 -0700
>
>Doug,
>
>Your chams are packed and awaiting UPS pickup, which should be within the hour. Please let me
>know when they have arrived. The tracking number is: 1Z 720 77E 01 4059 1088. I am sure that
>you will be able to tell the males apart.
>
>Thanks,
>Lane Gergely
> No, it's ok. I only got to spend 5 minutes with him today to put him in his cage before going to a meeting and then to my shop. When I got home it was dark and they were all sleeping. i did give him a once over before putting him in the cage. You're right, he is my first W/C. i just wasn't expecting something so rough. I hope I didn't offend you. I know you paid more for them than you're selling them for and that that's a GREAT deal, it's still a good amount of money, that's all I was saying. I'll take good care of him. I promise. I just need to spend a little time with him. Talk to you later.

Doug.



>From: "Lane Gergely" <[email protected]>
>To: "Doug Perry" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Tracking number
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:06:44 -0700
>
> Doug,
>
> I am sorry that you are not pleased with One Eye, he is a w/c that was left for dead at the importers, and I have
> taken good care of him, I think that I mentioned that over the phone. I do not know his age, but he still wants to bred, in fact I put a female in his cage the
> other day and he tried to bred her. All of the w/c's have yellow mouths, this is very normal. I understand that
> this is probably your first w/c and they are a challenge, since most have scars from the wild. One Eye was attacked
> at the exporters facility. Alkabides is approx. 14 months old now, and the Kraken girl is 9 months old. Chimera
> is the sire of Alkabides. The female that I sent you is the ONLY offspring of Kraken, and I paid more than $250
> for her. She has never been bred, I was waiting to bred her with One Eye. One Eye may seem rough to you, and
> no doubt that he is, but he has some of the best blue in his bars that I have seen. I have been to Ivan's and have
> seen Cyclops etc. and One Eyes blue is better. If you want, I can try to find him a good home. He should do
> well, if taken care of. Let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Lane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Perry
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Tracking number
>
>
> Lane,
>
> I got them in good order. Came in at 9:45am my time today. I LOVE Alkibides and the little girl, but I must say though that One Eye is a little worse off than I had imagined. He's got a growth by his right rear leg, a kinked tail, scars, interior of mouth is yellow, rough and raised scales around the lips, and the eyes (of which I knew). He's alert, and seems no worse for the wear from the shipping, and his demeanor is fine, but boy he's rough. If I'd known how bad he was I probably wouldn't have gotten him, no matter how cheap. I am a man of my word though, and appreciate you situation, so I WILL take good care of him for the rest of his days. Just not thrilled I spent $250 on him. The others are BEAUTIFUL though, and I thank you for them! Can you please furnish me with their information files? I'd like to have their approximate ages, where they came from and other info. Who did you say is the father of the female you just sent? Was it Kraken? The one I'm waiting on is the daughter of Cyclopse right? Just trying to keep it straight. Please also keep me up to date on the picasso babies. I'm anxiously awaiting a little boy. Thanks lane. Talk to you soon. Let me know when the other female abilobe is ready.
>
> Doug.
>
>
>
> >From: "Lane Gergely" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Tracking number
> >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:51:00 -0700
> >
> >Doug,
> >
> >Your chams are packed and awaiting UPS pickup, which should be within the hour. Please let me
> >know when they have arrived. The tracking number is: 1Z 720 77E 01 4059 1088. I am sure that
> >you will be able to tell the males apart.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Lane Gergely
> >
>
>
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Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. Hi Lane. Is everything ok? I haven't heard back from you in quite a while and was wondering if you were ok. I hope I'm not bugging you. As you've probably seen on Kingsnake, I lost my female ambilobe yesterday. I don't understand it. I'm really sad. She was looking and acting absolutely fine, then dead. All the others (6) are doing well. Silk's eye infection is clearing up nicely. Her appetite isn't great still, but I'm getting her to take stuff from me. Alkabides and One Eye are eating like horses (they get an anole about every other day), my little female ambanja from Kammers is doing really well, Orion is fabulous, and my female veiled is just great (still hasn't laid her eggs though-not sure if she really has any). I'm really looking forward to breeding Alkabides and was hoping to do it this summer. Is that other female blue bar ambilobe ready to go yet? I've cleaned out, sterilized, and re-cleaned Oasis' (deceased female) cage and it's ready to go. PLEASE let me know how she's doing. Please let me know how you're doing. It was really nice talking to you that time, I learned a lot about the cham society from you. I hope we can talk again soon.

Doug.

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I am very tired, and my parents are coming in tomorrow morning. I will not be back online till Monday.
One Eye is a cheap fed, he loves field caught grasshoppers, large flying insects, walking sticks, and
a occasional superworm or crickets. I catch a bunch of grasshoppers, and put them in a critter keeper,
then gutload them with collard greens, kale, yams, carrots, and oranges for 24 hours. He loves wild
wild insects. Alkabides eats superworms, roaches, anoles and a occasional cricket. The female loves
walking sticks, anoles, roaches, grasshoppers, and a occasional cricket. They all LOVE grasshoppers,
and they should be abundant in your area right now. Maybe you can go catch some this weekend.
I am sure that they will love the praying mantis, and I would breed them if I were you. There is a adjustment
period for most of the adult chams, this is a big change for them. Also lots of natural sunlite will help
stimulate the appetites. If you can catch some large moths, One Eye will snatch them up as well.
The female just laid a clutch of 27 eggs, and I am keeping a eye on her. It will be a few weeks before
she would be ready to go, I like to make sure that she has fully recovered, and is eating good.
Keep me posted on the chams. I will keep you posted on babies.

Thanks,
Lane
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Perry
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:05 PM
Subject: Little girl.


Hi Lane. How are you? How was your week? All is pretty good here. My cage making frenzy has slowed to a nice pace. I only have a couple more to make. I'll send some pics when they are all done. My porch is a jungle. How's the little girl doing? Please let me know when she's recouped from laying her clutch. I'm excited to get her. The chams you sent the other day seem to be doing ok. Apetites are rather weak. I'm having a pretty hard time getting One Eye to eat. Any tricks? I think he's only eaten one silkworm, and a few small crickets so far. Although I haven't actually seen him eat anything. Alkibides has eaten a few silkworms and a few crickets, but nothing to write home about. The little girl has eaten aboiut the same as Alk. Am I just being paranoid during an adjustment period? I also have praying mantis babies to feed out soon. I can't wait for a picasso baby boy too! Please pick me out a nice one. You said they'll be ready in June? How much will he be? I hope you are well. Talk to you soon.

Doug.


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Doug Perry half truths

Doug,

Out of 35 chams sold, you are the only one that lost my breeder
chams to date. You should have taken me up on my offer, to
take back One Eye, since he was "rough". Did you even bother
to let me know that he died????????? Why not? I found out
from another breeder that you gave him to Jovana, several days after he died. Jovana was
declined for the purchase, for several reasons. YOU brought up
the fact that she was very,very, close with Ivan. You are upset
by the fact that I would not sell you another female. You need
to quit blaming the sellers, and take the time to review your
husbandry. No where did I mention that One Eye was on a
"special diet", but that is what you told ddmadison. As for the
issue of throwing up worms, I don't believe that either. There
are no documented cases of that happening. You WERE TOLD that
he had subcutaneous fillrial worms, before you purchased him.
As the public can tell from the e-mail, you kept bugging me for
more chameleons, including a Picasso male. Did you ask ddmadison if that was o.k.? Kalam never told you that I purchased the Mafanas. You assumed that from Kingsnake.
Please provide me with phone records that you ever called me
after recieving your chameleons. Don't bother bringing your
new friends to your defense, since I am quite through with them.
 
Matt (aka ddmadison)

Since you feel so strongly against Lanes chameleons, and her never breeding her own stock, just getting eggs from a WC Picasso I find it odd that you email us asking about Neonman and his offspring. For some one so out to get her and all her animals are second best, and you would never buy from her. Well who do you think the babies would be coming from? They don't come out of a hat. You are well aware that NeonMan is one of a kind, and people go to extremes get this type of chameleon, let alone CBB offspring. Don't be fooled we were will aware who and what you will do to people to get your way.

Dennis


----- Original Message -----
From: "mike madson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: neon man


> Thanks! I'll be keeping an eye out.
> Dennis
>
>
> >From: <[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> >To: "mike madson" <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: neon man
> >Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:10:03 -0700
> >
> >Dennis-
> >
> >We will have VERY limited number of offspring available in the near
future
> >from Neon Man. We have offspring from Pineapple now, males will be ready
to
> >ship shortly. Just be sure to keep in touch with us and check the site
for
> >updates. We do not have any other photos of Neon Man right now. I can
tell
> >you he is a gentle GIANT, and has more yellow and orange now as he aged.
> >Hope this helps!
> >
> >Thanks
> >Chameleon Paradise
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "mike madson" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 12:02 AM
> >Subject: neon man
> >
> >
> > > hello,
> > > Saw your Neon Man and he looks really nice. Your page said you have
> > > offsping available and wanted to see if that was still the case. Do
you
> >also
> > > have other pics of Neon Man other than that one?
> > > thanks
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
 
Again, Project-jerkoff-is can't see the obvious...

I think I get the gist of what you said in that pretty broken, over spaced English but if I missed something please set me straight because I probably didn't understand what you said. At least you are using capital letters at the begining of sentences - looks like some of my suggestions are sinking in. It wasn't that I was interested in getting an animal but wanted to see if they actually hatched and are alive and that goes doubly for Neonman himself. I find it odd that your "butt buddy" hasn't posted pics of him, maybe he went the way of One Eye perhaps? This is just another situation like the babies from "Mr. Picasso" that undoubtably died as well and I wanted to see if this was the case with these babies. As for "...NeonMan is one of a kind, and people go to extremes get this type of chameleon", trust me the only two dolts that would waste their money on that animal besides Legendcham is you or your butt buddy, two dolts in a pod - how cute! Well dectective, pat yourself on the back, you've uncovered.... NOTHING. Interesting that it took two idiots to not piece anything together. If you guys were so "on to me" why did you even reply? I mean come on Jerkoff-is, you'll need more than that to disprove you don't deserve your pet name that I predict people are still laughing about and yourself included. I find it funny that not too long ago you were this guy on the forums that didn't know anything and were in awe of yourself because you had a Nosey Be female. In fact I remember some silly post were you wanted to share with everyone that you actually got a job, man do I feel sorry for your cheated employer. Wow, Jerkoff-is you've come along way from a newbie to a self proclaimed "expert" with a job no less and in such little time. Sounds more like you just go around regurgitating what people have told you and pawn it off as some great "discovery" of yours, probably a trick your butt buddy taught you, as you post here and there on KS. Now that I am on the subject of regurgitation and passing off ideas that other people have told you I will address you really believing I am Matt.

Believe what you want, in fact keep calling me Matt, the Sheriff, Daddy or whatever you wish. It just takes whatever heat might come from your crack "Internet Squad" off my back and on the wrong trail as I continue to straighten out idiots like you. I am actaully suprised Matt hasn't posted as I emailed him about this, maybe he doesn't care but big deal. You see Jerkoff-is whether or not you believe me it doesn't matter because, as your "Master" Lane puts it: Where's the proof? You have an email I sent you where I use the name Mitsio (the proper name for the Jackass Legendcham Panther) and puppet although I was hit the bulls eye on both accounts, talk about case closed, how could there be any doubt? You say I must be this guy because I don't like Lane and Matt likes Ivan and they hate each other? Too bad not everyone likes Lane and some people other than Matt likes B.F.D. The only reason why you are still not spinning your wheels trying to find out my "identity" is because I allowed you to. I could have denied that I was the Sheriff and in a much more eloquent way than your feeble attempts to prove what someone else told you and I would have made you look like more of a fool than you are, if that fool thing is possible. Btw, eloquent means persuasive so you can put down your dictionary trying to figure out what the heck I just said to you. The two finals fact I am going to leave you with is that I wanted to be discovered, rememeber that, why else do you think I would come out with a Sheriff-ish name like Project-jerkoff-is? And, since you consider yourself some breeder or detective you might not want to piss the only guy off that can provide you with true blue bar Ambilobes as I have seen pics of Matt's stuff and so far it is the largest best collection out there of that local. Screameleons has a couple nice things but nothing close to what I've seen from Matt. You might want to consider that Holmes but I have a feeling that when/if he reads your "pearls of wisdom" that bridge will be burned - but that is just a feeling. Talk about letting the puppets do my work for me.

Your fine is to go back to High School and actually attend classes this time because you are a poor production of the public school system.

Dennis "The Sheriff" Madson

...I feel I don't need to post about Lane's continued posts well after she said she is not going to post again as B.F.D. put it. The more she talks, like Jerkoff-is, the more she does my work for me.
 
WHAT!?!?!?

Lane,
As you saw in my last post here I don't blame the sellers. I hold no ill will towards Shelly. I do blame YOU for the ones I got from you. You only told me of One Eye's dead worm in his good eye, and that he was not perfect, but in good health. I can get and post a copy of the official vet report if you like, so there is proof. He did NOT go to Jovcham AFTER he died. What the hell sense would that make? I never said anything about mafanas did I. I had no idea until you said it that that's what they were. I told Kalam that you sent me, and that it was too bad you were getting out of the business, but I understood why. Then he said that you hadn't gotten out because you had just bought several fresh imported from him the week before. Thought that was a bit strange. I NEVER said Jovcham was close with Ivan, I even told Shelly that too. I NEVER said she wasn't either. All I said was that I knew she had talked to him a few times and that I knew she wanted to be big in this business. That's all I knew for sure. I never blamed you for Kraken's daughter's death until more of the other's got sick or died. You actually had me thinking it might have been something I did. I did dissect my husbandry techniques. I also talked to several professional and hobbyist breeders to get their thoughts on MY husbandry techniques. I found everything was totally acceptable. I asked you about the other female before ANYONE else got sick. I had only lost the one female at that point, and was disappointed and wanted to breed Alk by the end of the summer. If it looks like I bugged you by all the one sided e-mails, it's because I RARELY GOT RESPONSES FROM YOU!!! I got 2-3 as I remember, and rather far apart. But I'm not absolutely positive because I don't save all of my old correspondance. With the integrity I have I find that I've never needed to protect myself before. Funny that you have ALL of your old e-mails. I am not bringing my "new friends" to my defense. I have no need to, and anyone that has said anything about it has done so on their own, and without my permission actually. I don't want to be huge in chams, so why should I care? I do admit really wanting a picasso at one point, but not any more. I don't know who you get your info from, but you miht want to check into their reliability, oh wait, you like telling stories. Please, by all means, keep talking trash. The more you do, the worse you look. Try reading the entire post again,and see how much you talk in circles.
 
Doug the expert

Doug, you did not answer the questions. I only sold you three
chameleons (Thank GOD)! So answer the question, " did you
ever contact me either by e-mail or phone to tell me that One
Eye died? When did he die? Please provide proof that you called
me several times. Don't you get a phone bill? My number should
be on it. Please provide proof that I EVER told you that his
Subcutaneous worms were dead. What about that "special diet"?
Grasshoppers and moths are not a special diet. They regularly
consume them in Madagascar, I forgot you are the expert. Can
you provide me with vet records, that are NOT from Ivan? I remember reading that you spent hundreds of dollars on vet
bills and medication. Please make sure that they are for One Eye.
I ALWAYS tell anyone that purchases a w/c to have them checked
out by a qualified vet within a couple of days after recieving them.
Who are the PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS etc. that told you that
your husbandry did not contribute to the death of these chams.
From the pictures that Jovana took of One Eye, shortly after you
dumped him on her, he looked severely dehydrated, and it
was apparent that he had not eaten in quite some time. The real
fact of the matter is that YOU did not have time or expertise to properly care
for him. He was already basically dead, by the time that Jovana
got him. Did you take him to the vet before you gave him, or sold
him to Jovana??????? Those are the vet records that I REALLY
would like for you to provide. You can tell you new best friend
ddmadison, ( really Matt Jillison), that the Picasso babies are doing fine and dandy. The small amount of males have gone to
their new homes, don't look for their pictures on Kingsnake, because the people that bought them do not even go to that site,
or any of them for that matter. The vast amount of Picasso female babies have
gone to " PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS" Guess who? You see Doug
I stand behind anything that I bred or hatched, and I would have stood by One Eye, since I had him for well over a year. I would
have taken him back in a second, because I already had a new
home for him. Of course I would have returned your $250 or
given you credit on a Picasso baby, but you did not handle the
situation properly, and now are trying to blame it on me. Please!
What a jerk! This all comes from a guy who posts on Kingsnake,
" How do I get in with the in crowd". WELL you are in now.


Lane Gergely
 
Everybody comfortable? It's storytime again.

Ok, Firstly, I never contacted you that One Eye had died because at that point he no longer belonged to me. Jovana had him put down.
Secondly, I only called you twice I believe (I will check my phone records for you and get back to you). It's obvious (thanks to you) that I emailed you SEVERAL times. And everyone can count on about 3 fingers how many times you replied and what you said (again, thanks to you).
Thirdly, you never told me he had subcutaneous filarial worms, only the one in his eye that was not going to bother him (according to you). If you want to play the proof game, please provide proof that you told me he had subcutaneous filarial worms. You keep recorded phone calls I'm sure, don't you?
Next, most people that I'm aware of feed crickets, silkworms, roaches, mealworms, and superworms. Therefore I would assume that anything other than those "norms" would be considered a SPECIAL diet that I would have needed to know AHEAD of time. ESPECIALLY if it were the mainstay of his diet, and not just treats. You only told me this in an email (which you posted for everyone to see) after I told you I had trouble getting him to eat. I am not an expert and NEVER claimed to be. If I were I certainly wouldn't have had to ask others for help when a large part of my colony was ill with a yeast infection. Did I say that out loud?
Next, I cannot provide you with vet bills that are not from Ivan for One Eye because I never took One Eye to any vet. I NEVER said it was One Eye that cost me all the money. It was Silk and Broad. I can provide you with vet bills for them from Ivan and Lake Underhill Animal Hospital. Give me a couple of days to find them. I actually have other things going on in my life BESIDES this soap opera.
Next, You NEVER told me to have any of them checked out right away by a vet. But please feel free to playback the recording of our phone conversation for everyone, where you did, to prove me wrong. I'm sure you have it in a file somewhere, don't you?
Next, I'm not going to tell you who else I talked to so you can drag their name through the mud too. I hate the fact that it's being done to me, why would I subject anyone else to it? Let's just leave it that I spoke to a few in California and a few in Florida. I also spoke with Shelly prior to any shipments from you telling her what I was doing with Orion. She had a few suggestions, but otherwise told me I was doing ok. Isn't she YOUR partner?
Next, One Eye WAS pretty thin and dehydrated when Jovana got him. She knew it. I told her he hadn't eaten for me, and rarely drank. AND AS I'VE SAID A FEW TIMES NOW, NO I DID NOT HAVE THE TIME FOR A SPECIAL NEEDS CHAMELEON! THAT IS WHY HE ENDED UP WITH JOVANA, BECAUSE SHE DID HAVE THE TIME. HAD I KNOWN HE WAS A SPECIAL NEEDS CHAMELEON BEFORE HAND I WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED HIM. Supposedly he was healthy, just rough to look at.
And finally, as I said, you and I never spoke of money when I told you he wasn't what I expected. You said you'd find a new home for him, and in the back of my mind I heard Shelly telling me that all sales were final. So I assumed I wouldn't get my money back. I'll give you that I didn't ask, but you didn't say either. And that was on the email you posted for everyone to see. And at that point it was just an aesthetics issue. It was only the day after recieving him, so I figured he just needed to adjust for a day or two.
Lane we can go around and around forever. And where will we end up? Right back here where we started. As everyone here has witnessed, I NEVER stated your name on KS, and had no intentions of doing so. I made sure that that point was clear to everyone. It was dennis the menice aka sherriff that dragged me into it here to attack you. Then you threw your hat into the ring about me too. I sat back as long as I could because your fued was at best mildly entertaining, but when you start dragging my name through the dirt after I refused to do it to you, I figured what the hell. So I rolled my sleeves up and jumped in. I tried to be the bigger person and keep names and businesses out of it, as anyone that read this post or the one on KS (before you had it removed) can plainly see and have commended me on. But an eye for an eye. So do everyone a favor and just agree to disagree. I plan to post nothing further about you, or say anything to anyone that ever asks what happened. Everyone has their little version of the truth. But if you decide to continue this, do everyone else a favor and bring milk and cookies and tell everyone ahead of time that it's storytime, ok?
 
OH MY GOD!

I recieved an e-mail today asking if I had seen this post and I should respond to my name being dragged around.

LET ME SAY! IT TOOK ALMOST 2 FREAKIN HOURS TO READ THIS STUPID THING! I will never have these 2 waisted hours back.

I want to make a few quick comments on other people before I post my Long side of the story.

First Mr. Maddison, how do you know all this stuff? how do you know it was One Eye, that lane clamed he was on a special diet to keep the parasites away? good detective work I must say.

Second...Doug...When did I ever say I wanted to be BIG in this business? I'm breeding these few animals I have strictly to pay for college...(like ivan I now see). I did at one point invest 4 months into a breed registry for chameleons only to be sholved aside to someone who quiclky threw together a site half the quality of what mine was. but I relented because it was the chameleons I was thinking about, two sites doing the same thing would not help "the cause".

Third... I'm not being a hinch man or anything, but Ivan has been great. he was honest with me all the way through this horrible situation, and offered me a real nice ambilobe to compensate for poor One eye. By the way ivan, his colors are amazing comaired to when I got him a few weeks ago! his red is JUST as bright as One eyes was and his blue is comming in not only in his bars but he has blue speckles all over his red! Once I get my camra back I'll be showing him off!

Now on to the story...
I recieved an e-mail from shelly about a big sale. I responded within the hour from recieving the e-mail stating that I wanted a pair of BB ambilobe's. She quickly responded that "One eye" was avalible along with "krackens Daughter" I jumped at the chance to own my ABSOLUTE favorite chameleon and the daugher of my second favorite chameleon. She then told me One eye was a wild caught that had only one eye and a dead Sub Q worm , but he was completely healthy and the worm would cause no harm to him ever! (I then told doug about this big sale and that "I" was getting one eye and krackens daugher) then she e-mailed me asking if I could pay at least a down payment on the chameleons, I responded saying I have all the cash..how do I pay? I literally waited online all night long for a response so I could pay! (call me nuts but I was excited) then out of the blue the next day I get an e-mail stating sorry her partner sold the pair with a sale this big I need to understand. I was of course mad and deleted all the e-mails from shelly at that point.

Then I guess in the meantime doug had made a deal with them for some chameleons. 2 or 3 days after that he told me Lane offered One eye to him! I was pissed but kept my mouth shut. He got one eye AND took the picture that I have of him THAT DAY OR THE VERY NEXT DAY! (The one that you Lane say he was in such bad shape and severly dehydrated! funny...how can he get in that bad of shape in shipping?) 3 days after Doug got him he gave him to me, I brought him home and completely re organized a cage for him to make him feel like he was back in the wild (6 foot cage, 2 pothos, 3 fake vines along with tons of real vines, dripper all day long, in the florida sun) He started drinking right away, I was thrilled, he drank like crazy every time I misted him, I spent 10 min a day just standing there misting him till he finished drinking, he also ate the very day I put him in his cage, since he had not eaten in at least 3 days I ran out and caught a very tiny wild anole and a grasshopper and some moths, he ate them all very quickly! again I was thrilled and reported to doug how good he was doing even though he was SO skinny I weighted him the day I got him...he was 140 grams! I wanted to let him get use to his new home before taking him to get a vet checkup because he was such a rough looking, skinny WC chameleon. I did not want to stress him to much his first week in a new home. he did great ate everything I put in front of him, silkies, crickets, superworms, & roaches (That I got JUST for him!) and any wild bugs I could catch. he was given anything he wanted to eat..but still never gained a gram! I noticed on him what I thought was a few real big worms under his skin also, not just one like stated. (read the KS post if you want details on his decline) After he puked 2 grams! of worms I took him to Ivan. Later after he was put to sleep Ivan counted 8 sub Q worms I think...not including the one in his eye. he cut one out and it was very much alive...not dead like stated.
I posted to advise people to not delay on vet visits and to advise the dangers of Sub Q worms. I left all seller names and One eyes name out of the post. then Projectparadalis I think it was posted One eyes name on a picture of dougs cham. I e-mailed him asking him to take his name off the post because I did not want to start anything. I then recieved an e-mail from Lane...first contact with her ever! Let me say...the e-mail was quite a bit less than professional...made me laugh actually. I'll post some of that separatly because its so long.
 
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