Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

[Chameleon Company]

Dan, Bryon used the term "its not personal"

And with the many things that can be implied between what you refer to as a "personal issue" and what Bryon likely meant by "its not personal", I do not think they are one and the same in this thread. My take is that Bryon, in response to others, was indicating that he had no "personal" vendetta other than as I mentioned: the welfare of buyers of Allen's animals and the animals themselves. That it was a very "personal" issue to him does not contradict that belief and explanation by him, IMO.

As to whatever Allen's "show strategies" may be, I think that this part of your statement reinforces my point about competition:

...... He is streamlining buyers towards his own business by dropping his prices. He is not making money on the animals? It doesn’t matter to him, as he already made it with the tables. Of course Allen will also learn this in time, as vendors who suffer this strategy will more than likely will not be repeat customers of his the following year. As a vendor, would this kind of competition upset me…?

I did highlight a part of it, which I find a bit disconnected, basically that "making money will not matter". Is it a safe extrapolation of that logic to assume that if Allen makes enough money on table rentals that we have to worry that he will just give his animals away for free? The latter part of your post indicates that competitive pressures rule in the end. My belief is that they rule far sooner that that.
My original concern still stands, that I find Bryon's inclusion of this revealing comment about Allen's show strategies puzzling in the greater context of all that he has said. I have to conjecture here, as I do not know, but my opinion would be that Bryon was so exasperated with Allen by the time he decided to do all of this, that his complete frustration also allowed some contempt to develop. Its completely understandable it that is the case, but again, I do not want to pretend to know Bryon's thoughts. That is why I asked!
I went to bed at a resonable hour last night after the game. Some of you overnight folks needed an enema!

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Micheal Shelton, You are just assuming that everything that is said on the BOI is TRUE. Sometimes things are NOT what they seem.

If you do a search on both David Evans and snakebstr here it becomes quite obvious why Mr. Evans clings to the statement quoted above. With the exception of one gentleman wiith a post count of 4 (all in defense of Evans) no on has anything good to say about their experiences with him.


I wouldn't lend much (if any) weight to anything Mr. Evans has to say Bryon. His past actions and antics here speak for themselves.

 

[screamdreams]

I'm sure most of you already know about this thread but just in case...
looks like he's changed "company names"...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65274

 

[Bubafat]

Wow and to think I almost bought this animal at the Dixie Herp Show...except he was asking $250 for it (WAY too much for it's size).

 

[LizardKing]

Big Daddy is viewing this right now. It would be interesting to hear some sort of comment about any of this.

 

[big daddy's wholesal]

Response to thread

See the attached files for my response!

 

[Griz]

For those of you without Microsoft Word (I am sure is most), here is the reply from Big Daddy:

"Fauna
After watching this site all weekend I decided to allow my attorney to view the pics and the script before I responded. I have some legal advise that my attorney has given to me and a certified letter will be going out to Bryon. First my buildings are on private property and since the pics were taken on my property while working for me and without permission, these all put Bryon in a rather serious situation. Next you are allowed legally to attack a person but not a business. This also puts Bryon at risk. Finally sending e-mails to individuals and businesses to encourage them to look at this site and thread has also made this a tough road for Bryon to walk.
Now to address the issues: In most of the photos the water has been recently spilled. What one person has called mold is in fact Spagnum moss not molded bedding. The lamp inside the boas caging is there because that female had a mild case of upper respitory and the vet told me to raise her temps for 7 to 10 days. Then the poop in the containers, well it is all fresh as you can see by the pics it is all wet. Let’s face it all animals poop! Poop on newspaper usually dries in 4 to 6 hours and on moss usually a day at the most. Next there is a pic of some high end ball pythons all together in on container. O.k. two piles of poop five snakes fresh water forty-one quart container oh I almost forgot these snakes just came in and there in quarantine. I am sure a lot of people have different practices as to how they quarantine there animals, but this is how I do mine. Now it is not alright to put twenty snakes together like this but I believe five to be a good number. Then the pic of a rodent in with a snake, you can tell this rodent has just been put in with this snake. How? Because it is either still alive for one or is not dirty from being in a cage for days as suggested. Because surely Bryon did not give it a bath before taking this pic.
And then comes the pic of a regurgitated mouse, about three to four times a week this happens to some snake in some gage. And I agree it is nasty to see and even worse to clean-up.
Now about the allegations made toward me from Bryon concerning selling normal ball pythons for pos. het animals. I had some pos. het bp’s and some normals in different containers in the same building. I came in one day and noticed that some of the animals had been moved. I immediately asked Bryon what had happened. He explained that he had fed them and any that ate out of all the containers, he moved into another container and marked them feeding. I then told him RIGHT THEN of his mistake and what they were. I went through and pulled four out of the tank that was marked feeding that I knew were in the pos. het container and put them back in the pos. het container where they belonged. How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals. Now I probably should have left them all in the feeding container and raised the price a little on that entire bunch and went through this whole story with every one that looked at them at each show of how these cost more because they are somewhat pos. het animals, but I chose to do what I did. I feel much better knowing that I went through and picked out the ones I knew belonged and save Bryon the embarrassment of people finding out of the mistake he had made. Bottom line lack of communication between Bryon and myself was the key that could have kept this from happening. I do know that everyone who purchased one of those animals got what they paid for though.
As for Bryon: The e-mail that I sent him that he has posted was before I knew of this thread. When I met Bryon he was beat down by a previous employer who owed him a lot of money and all he kept getting was reasons why he was not getting paid. As Bryon has stated himself I told him from the word go that we did more than just reptiles. I currently own four businesses and I am successful at them all. Bryon’s first two weeks I loaned him extra money so he could get caught up on child support, car payment and send his kids something for Christmas. I had a few problems with Bryon such as taking personal phone calls during working hours for long periods of time, getting side tracked on his personal agenda rather than keeping up with the business, trying to put a deal together for himself using company time and contacts etc. But the only big problem I had with him was about ten days ago when he brought a sick het for snow boa to the vet and then brought her in and put her in my facility with my animals. This was completely out of line and was addressed and asked that he remove her right then. He did so and was very unhappy but did not argue at all because he knew he had done wrong. The snake died the next day from a severe case of mouth rot. This can be verified through Benning road animal hospital in Columbus GA. Last week Bryon got angry because a guy that he wanted to purchase some dwarf anery boas from offered to sell them to me for a hundred dollars more than Bryon had offered him for them. Keep in mind that this is the companies contact whom I have an on going relationship with now. This also made Bryon angry as he stated in one of his e-mails to me Sunday Afternoon. I run 287 racks of animals there is not a day that you can not come and find poop and spilled water in some of them. Bryon never spoke with me concerning any of these allegations instead he took me to the jerry springer show for the reptile world. This is the only time I will post on this site for a reply to any of these allegations made against me!
One last statement to Bryon: you stated to me via e-mail that we would never see each other again only through e-mail would we converse. You were wrong! We will see each other again when we appear in a court of law and you are rendered your verdict to the childish and untrue allegations you made vindictively toward me personally and my business and my partnerships in other businesses. Allen Belcher 706-615-4772"

Griz

 

[BryonsBoas]

Allen

First off , don't send other people to threaten me , cowboy up and threaten me yourself. I'm not accepting calls from you but my e-mail is wide open. That is an open form of communication. Don't hide behind others to do your dirty work.

As far as the pics go , you've given me permission to take pictures of anything we had already for my use. You didn't state how long that permission lasted , to what extent I could or could not use the pics or what I could not take pics of. You left it open , got only yourself to blame.

As far as the posting about Allen's show promotions , I'm down for friendly compition but to willingly sell tables to the vendors who expect reasonable compition and have the show promoter drop his prices drastically to avoid compition is just wrong.

I contacted 2 people to make them aware of this thread . Over the top? Maybe , If it is then I wholeheartedly apologize for taking it to another extreme. As for asking Rich to drop this thread? NOPE , not happening.

Any postings were about you , I only recommended that people stay from your companies but that can be settled elsewhere.Kinda hard to not mention someone's company when your of an opinion that others should stay away.

I did what I felt was right or needed to be done . Could I have done it differently? Yes , I could have done it any number of ways but I did it this way.I'm a big boy , I knew there would be consequences to my actions . As a side note , I don't take well to threats.

I just got off the phone with yet ANOTHER person Allen asked to pass along his threat so I had to do a long spell check. lol

 

[Chameleon Company]

I took Allen's phone number and called him.

It was an interesting conversation ..... very interesting. He gave me permission to cut-and-paste the full text of his memo directly into the thread, to allow for easier reading and reference by all:

Fauna
After watching this site all weekend I decided to allow my attorney to view the pics and the script before I responded. I have some legal advise that my attorney has given to me and a certified letter will be going out to Bryon. First my buildings are on private property and since the pics were taken on my property while working for me and without permission, these all put Bryon in a rather serious situation. Next you are allowed legally to attack a person but not a business. This also puts Bryon at risk. Finally sending e-mails to individuals and businesses to encourage them to look at this site and thread has also made this a tough road for Bryon to walk.
Now to address the issues: In most of the photos the water has been recently spilled. What one person has called mold is in fact Spagnum moss not molded bedding. The lamp inside the boas caging is there because that female had a mild case of upper respitory and the vet told me to raise her temps for 7 to 10 days. Then the poop in the containers, well it is all fresh as you can see by the pics it is all wet. Let’s face it all animals poop! Poop on newspaper usually dries in 4 to 6 hours and on moss usually a day at the most. Next there is a pic of some high end ball pythons all together in on container. O.k. two piles of poop five snakes fresh water forty-one quart container oh I almost forgot these snakes just came in and there in quarantine. I am sure a lot of people have different practices as to how they quarantine there animals, but this is how I do mine. Now it is not alright to put twenty snakes together like this but I believe five to be a good number. Then the pic of a rodent in with a snake, you can tell this rodent has just been put in with this snake. How? Because it is either still alive for one or is not dirty from being in a cage for days as suggested. Because surely Bryon did not give it a bath before taking this pic.
And then comes the pic of a regurgitated mouse, about three to four times a week this happens to some snake in some gage. And I agree it is nasty to see and even worse to clean-up.
Now about the allegations made toward me from Bryon concerning selling normal ball pythons for pos. het animals. I had some pos. het bp’s and some normals in different containers in the same building. I came in one day and noticed that some of the animals had been moved. I immediately asked Bryon what had happened. He explained that he had fed them and any that ate out of all the containers, he moved into another container and marked them feeding. I then told him RIGHT THEN of his mistake and what they were. I went through and pulled four out of the tank that was marked feeding that I knew were in the pos. het container and put them back in the pos. het container where they belonged. How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals. Now I probably should have left them all in the feeding container and raised the price a little on that entire bunch and went through this whole story with every one that looked at them at each show of how these cost more because they are somewhat pos. het animals, but I chose to do what I did. I feel much better knowing that I went through and picked out the ones I knew belonged and save Bryon the embarrassment of people finding out of the mistake he had made. Bottom line lack of communication between Bryon and myself was the key that could have kept this from happening. I do know that everyone who purchased one of those animals got what they paid for though.
As for Bryon: The e-mail that I sent him that he has posted was before I knew of this thread. When I met Bryon he was beat down by a previous employer who owed him a lot of money and all he kept getting was reasons why he was not getting paid. As Bryon has stated himself I told him from the word go that we did more than just reptiles. I currently own four businesses and I am successful at them all. Bryon’s first two weeks I loaned him extra money so he could get caught up on child support, car payment and send his kids something for Christmas. I had a few problems with Bryon such as taking personal phone calls during working hours for long periods of time, getting side tracked on his personal agenda rather than keeping up with the business, trying to put a deal together for himself using company time and contacts etc. But the only big problem I had with him was about ten days ago when he brought a sick het for snow boa to the vet and then brought her in and put her in my facility with my animals. This was completely out of line and was addressed and asked that he remove her right then. He did so and was very unhappy but did not argue at all because he knew he had done wrong. The snake died the next day from a severe case of mouth rot. This can be verified through Benning road animal hospital in Columbus GA. Last week Bryon got angry because a guy that he wanted to purchase some dwarf anery boas from offered to sell them to me for a hundred dollars more than Bryon had offered him for them. Keep in mind that this is the companies contact whom I have an on going relationship with now. This also made Bryon angry as he stated in one of his e-mails to me Sunday Afternoon. I run 287 racks of animals there is not a day that you can not come and find poop and spilled water in some of them. Bryon never spoke with me concerning any of these allegations instead he took me to the jerry springer show for the reptile world. This is the only time I will post on this site for a reply to any of these allegations made against me!
One last statement to Bryon: you stated to me via e-mail that we would never see each other again only through e-mail would we converse. You were wrong! We will see each other again when we appear in a court of law and you are rendered your verdict to the childish and untrue allegations you made vindictively toward me personally and my business and my partnerships in other businesses. Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

I believe that I will have a few comments later, but have work that I must get to.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Sorry Griz. Remind me never to get in a gunfight with you .... I'm a bit slow on the trigger it seems.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Bryon,
One quick note before I jump back into the greenhouse. I answered a short PM by you this morning with a longer answer, and then raised an issue that concerns me deeply about this whole event, requesting an explanation. You have not answered yet. Allen provided me with many details that I cannot share here, but which deepen my concerns. You are welcome to put our PM communications here in their entirety, and answer my concern in this forum. Thanks.

 

[BryonsBoas]

Just read your document.

First off , my DH het snow boa was not near a single animals of yours . I advised you the prior day that I had the appointment and would need to bring her and the necessary equipment with me . She was in an empty room in an empty building far away from any animals you owned and you know it. I will not at any time place another persons collection at risk with one of my own animals.

As far as the poss hets go . I watched you sell anything out of that tank as normal in the shop. When you told me there were supposed to be poss hets in there I asked you why you were selling them as normals . I'm not saying you never bought poss hets but they can't be both . You admitted already to marking normals as poss hets. Which is it? Is this the typical run around?

As far as anydeals that I tried to make , I did exactly as you requested and let them go through you . What happened? You bought out both deals from out from under me and on the second deal YOU called me to ask ME what would be a good offer to make him. Get it right dude.

As far as vet visits you made , why didn't you take the beardie that you let waste away to the vet? Why didn't didn't you take the rest of the group to the vet for testing after it died? I've never hid any animal that I've ever had a illness with. Don't have a reason to . As a responsible owner I never put anyone else's collection at risk with one of mine and I did give you the courtesy of letting you know I would be bringing her with me .

Lie all you want dude . It'll all catch up soon enough.

 

[BryonsBoas]

Jim
I'll be answering your concerns tonight. I'm sure it was an interesting conversation. Call him in a couple weeks , betcha it changes.

 

[HerpLuver]

I dont think i've seen as many people veiwing a thread as this one, in quite a while. 2 come in mind, the Whitefeather Saga, and the Leverton Scandal!

As to Allen's post, if you gave Bryon permission to take pictures and never explained to him any restrictions on his usage of those photos, your up the creek without a paddle my friend. I have known Bryon for some time now, and honestly he has been one of the most loyal, honorable and respectful individuals i have met via fauna. Do i think he posted this just because he was mad you bought him out on some deals, or to try and get his story out before you. Nope! I think he posted the FACTS, with a sprinkle of personal flavor. Why the personal some of you may ask? Because we are in this industry because of a PASSION we have for our animals. Not because of the $$. Heck, if your here for the money, then you MUST be a very patient person cause it doesnt come for many years unless you had pleanty of capital to start out with a whole collection of breedable animals.

I dont see Bryon as a money grubber! I dont see Bryon as a vindictive person! I dont see Bryon as childish either! I see Bryon with a broken heart having to watch those animals live in that kind of an environment and not being able to do anything about it or get the man that owns them to hear his plea's for mercy.

Fess up Allen, clean up, and straighten up. Your not sunk yet my friend. You have every chance RIGHT NOW to rebuild your reputation. Dont turn this into a mud slinging battle, and dont think that your threats are going to do anything but fuel OUR fire of resentment towards you and your practices.

I give you the benefit of the doubt that you can be a man Allen, and take this like a man. Standing tall with your chest out, chin up.

I've been in the fauna fire pit before, and i'll tell you, my hands where sweating every time i typed a response. But i didnt turn it into a huge issue, i handled it, and now i stand proudly (yet underneath) some great people on this board. You can to, i'll stop rambling, but you get my point. Hope to see you handle this properly.


Thanks again Bryon!! You are an asset to this industry, and a GREAT friend who i'll always stand beside.

 

[Scott Ashton]

Fess up Allen, clean up, and straighten up. Your not sunk yet my friend. You have every chance RIGHT NOW to rebuild your reputation. Dont turn this into a mud slinging battle, and dont think that your threats are going to do anything but fuel OUR fire of resentment towards you and your practices.

I give you the benefit of the doubt that you can be a man Allen, and take this like a man. Standing tall with your chest out, chin up.

I've been in the fauna fire pit before, and i'll tell you, my hands where sweating every time i typed a response. But i didnt turn it into a huge issue, i handled it, and now i stand proudly (yet underneath) some great people on this board. You can to, i'll stop rambling, but you get my point. Hope to see you handle this properly.

I'd have to agree here Allen.

No one likes to be on the other end of a BOI thread, but the reality is - there are only 2 ways to go from here.

Isn't it possible that some things were neglected at your reptile business? Not out of malice, but simply out of being overwhelemed with the large amount of animals you have combined with the pressures of running several businesses. I have to assume that if you describe your businesses as successful you would also charecterize them as busy.

As for litigation - let's be serious Allen. If Bryon's finances are as you allege - what exactly do you expect to gain from any action that you (and your attorney) think would prove fruitful? Also, you are assuming that you would prevail. The only person that wins in these cases are the attorneys.

I appreciate that you took the time to post a response to this thread. I will say that bringing Bryon's kids into this (the thing about Christmas) was a poor choice. If you help someone out its just that. You could've made your point without going there.

The really sad part about this is that Bryon was truely excited at the prospect to work for you.

I'd like to think that this could be resolved off-line with a post later down the road as an update. Emotions are extremely high at this point and no one stands to gain any ground given these circumstances.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Just a few random responses.

Herp-luver states:
As to Allen's post, if you gave Bryon permission to take pictures and never explained to him any restrictions on his usage of those photos, your up the creek without a paddle my friend.

Check Allen's statement, but no where does he say he gave Bryon permission to take pictures. BTW, I did talk to an attorney last night about this issue, with a variety of "what if's", and he informed me that Allen has several paddles.

Shavemycoinpurse asks:
Isn't it possible that some things were neglected at your reptile business?

Not speaking for Allen, but lets assume that this premise is correct. There's a lot of room between this being true and what Bryon alleges.

SMCP also asks:
As for litigation - let's be serious Allen. If Bryon's finances are as you allege - what exactly do you expect to gain from any action that you (and your attorney) think would prove fruitful?

Good gosh, are we to assume that poor people with computers have carte-blanche to violate statutes (not proven yet, just alleged ... I know) and trash peoples reputations? If Bryon's actions include the theft of other proprietary information and slander, because he has no money, he gets to do it to his hearts content? While a full blown lawsuit would cost many thousands, Allen may be able to halt what he perceives as malicious, false, and illegal action by spending less than $1K. It is certainly Alllen's decision to make, and if Bryon has been less-than-truthful, I would be tempted to spend far more than that myself. Can't get blood out of a turnip, but you sure can discredit it from being much of a turnip!

 

[HerpLuver]

Check Allen's statement, but no where does he say he gave Bryon permission to take pictures. BTW, I did talk to an attorney last night about this issue, with a variety of "what if's", and he informed me that Allen has several paddles.

Well, let's assume that Allen is currently in a defensive position due to the allegations at hand. Does stating in his "statement" that Allen gave Bryon permission to take pictures without giving restrictions to there usage, sound like a viable defensive strategy? No, it says that he left things open, hoping Bryon would overlook the disgusting enclosures and environment the animals where suscepted to.

Which would leave Allen without leverage to his slander case.

Then again, i havent been in the court systems much to know how all this works. So i may be wrong.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Allen's reply raises issues that Bryon did not about their relationship. Don't know how much truth is in them any more than as with Bryon's statements. IM most HO, the nature of the relationship between Bryon and Allen has everything to do with the credibility of Bryon's charges. I do not pretend to know exactly what it was, but at this point, having not only read Allen's statement, I also have insight from having spoken to him and having him answer some of my questions. I believe that there were significant recent issues between them that caused a lot of friction and discontent beyond anything having to do with the husbandry concerns as mentioned by Bryon. Allen alluded to some of these, whereas Bryon had not in earlier posts. I do not know the truth. I do know that Bryon's motivations have everything to do with his believability. As examples of how this could change perceptions of what we have been shown by Bryon:

1) Are the pictures representative of all of Allen's animals, or only the dozen worst examples that Bryon could find?

2) Are they true "as-is" pictures, or were the situations manipulated?

3) If Allen has a prescribed cleaning schedule, were the pictures taken the day before cleaning, the day after, or something else?

I am not defending what the pictures show, and have no qualms with someone looking at them and saying "Day-before, day-after ? I don't care! That's disgusting !" To me, Bryon's motivations for bringing this here are the context by which I will give credibility to what he has said and shown so far. At his point, it is not just what Bryon has said about his relationship with Allen, but what he may have chosen to mis-characterize (if he has) and exclude (again, if he has). The grain of salt which I was using to read his posts is larger today than it was yesterday.

 

[screamdreams]

Alright, here we go...

Big Daddy, with regards to your fauna.doc, would you mind helping me out here??

Next there is a pic of some high end ball pythons all together in on container. O.k. two piles of poop five snakes fresh water forty-one quart container oh I almost forgot these snakes just came in and there in quarantine.

There's actually 4 "piles of poop" as you call them, and 6 P. regius in this tub. I've attached an image, highlighted for easy reference. So you mean to tell me that this is standard quarantine procedure at Big Daddy's Wholesale????

The lamp inside the boas caging is there because that female had a mild case of upper respitory and the vet told me to raise her temps for 7 to 10 days.

No excuse. By the way, is that another RI victim housed directly below her, or just another animal in quarantine?? After all these years in the business, do you really still need a vet to tell you to increase temps??

Then the pic of a rodent in with a snake, you can tell this rodent has just been put in with this snake. How? Because it is either still alive for one or is not dirty from being in a cage for days as suggested.

You said it yourself Big Daddy...the mouse was not dirty from being in the cage for days... so your cages are dirty, huh???
I can't think of one reason why it might still be alive to...maybe the animal has an RI and it's appetite just isn't what it used to be...I wonder...

I currently own four businesses and I am successful at them all.

Maybe you should quit one or two so these animals can receive the proper care that they deserve. Laying sewer pipe is more down your alley. Because after comments like these...

Let’s face it all animals poop! Poop on newspaper usually dries in 4 to 6 hours and on moss usually a day at the most.

...you sure do know your "poop".

I run 287 racks of animals

Please...

Oh, and as far as all of that BS about contacting your attorney for legal advice, Byron's certified letter, private property, and the whole "see you in court" thing does nothing for your case. Maybe you think you should make sure all four of your business are filed and in good standing with the IRS and the state of Alabama, for some reason after doing numerous background checks, business name look-ups (Big Daddy's Wholesale), etc. I just can't seem to find yours on record...hmmmm.

One more thing...Mark Bell has 50 times that many racks of animals, and let me tell ya...his stuff stays CLEAN!!!!!!!!! I know you know your "poop" but when it comes to snakes...the go potty, then they leave the area. They don't stick around with 5 or 6 buddies and rub their faces in it for days and days and days...

 

[Scott Ashton]

Check Allen's statement, but no where does he say he gave Bryon permission to take pictures. BTW, I did talk to an attorney last night about this issue, with a variety of "what if's", and he informed me that Allen has several paddles.



Not speaking for Allen, but lets assume that this premise is correct. There's a lot of room between this being true and what Bryon alleges.



Good gosh, are we to assume that poor people with computers have carte-blanche to violate statutes (not proven yet, just alleged ... I know) and trash peoples reputations? If Bryon's actions include the theft of other proprietary information and slander, because he has no money, he gets to do it to his hearts content? While a full blown lawsuit would cost many thousands, Allen may be able to halt what he perceives as malicious, false, and illegal action by spending less than $1K. It is certainly Alllen's decision to make, and if Bryon has been less-than-truthful, I would be tempted to spend far more than that myself. Can't get blood out of a turnip, but you sure can discredit it from being much of a turnip!

Jim:

You seem to be quick to criticize Bryon's position yet more than willing to accept Allen's.

No Allen didn't say he gave permission for Bryon to take pictures - Bryon did. But again you seem more than willing to doubt Bryon's account in favor of Allen's.

You are correct - Allen may persue whatever legal remedies he deems appropriate. I just don't see a significant remedy. You can stop all of this without a single trip to court.

I find myself question exactly what your motives are here Jim.