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shrap said:
Bryon,

There are plenty of folks here that believe you and believe you did the right thing. Believe that you did tell the truth regardless of what others here choose to think and how they constantly try and to twist this into something else entirely.

And we do get to vote with our dollars, and none of mine will be going towards Allen, but I will have no problem doing business with you Bryon if you are ever selling anything I need.

At this point I would no longer get baited into arguing with some of the people on here. They are just trying to get you to lose your temper and make a spectacle of yourself so they can use that against you. Don't do it. Don't give them the satisfaction. You came here and said what you had to say, answered every REASONABLE question asked of you. The only thing left is for you to give updates on the situation or to respond to anything Allen himself may have to say. Anything else is just fodder for the peanut gallery.
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Thats a wonderful idea Sammy. Thanks for the support to anyone who has given it.

Jim , sometimes the END justifies the means. NUFF SAID.

As I get info I'll update the thread since its no longer seems to be about the animals.
 
Bryon:

Sammy hit the nail on the head.

You need only to reply to Allen directly, not one of his agents. Or provide relevant updates as you see fit.

I too would not hesitate to purchase animals from you.
 
Zoo Supply said:
Well that might have been the wrong wording....the point that I wanted to get across was that it was too bad the thread made allen aware of his position or possibility that his place would get shut down. Kinda like a drug raid on drug dealers that were tipped off. Too bad he wasn't caught in the act instead of having time to fix the wrong things. Hopefully it is enough of a scare to keep his place and his animals clean.
TOM
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Tom , that idea hit me today a couple times. Most likely I still woulda gotten ripped if I called them before posting.
 
Bryon, you could have came here with God, Jesus, Allah and Buddha all standing by your side and you still would have had some faction that was going to rip you. That is just the way it is around here. And it needs to be to a degree. In this case however I think some folks have just been a little overzealous.
 
As civilly as I can ...

Mike and others,
Fox news is "fair and balanced". You especially Michael, asking me about being "one-sided". Are you neutral in this matter? Are your posts even? I am one of the few that have a view that both parties messed up ! Can't handle that? With regard to where many of you sit watching this whole parade, I don't have a problem saying "Hey, your King has no clothes!"

Bryon. So the answer is, and I quote :
Sometimes the end justifies the means
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Shave. If this is true, as you state it:
(Bryon)You need only to reply to Allen directly, not one of his agents.
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Then I guess many of the posts by the pro-Bryon crowd could live by the same rule? I guess there's more hot-air in this thread than we know then! :rofl:

There's a group of you who had been communicating with Bryon as he anguished over coming to the BOI, discussing the issue of Allen's animals etc. specifically. I believe you unanimously recommended that he come here with it. Only one member of this "Board of Directors", who has been very supportive of Bryon, had the temerity to post that she had some problems with a few of his actions too. You go girl!

All of the questions I asked in Post 202, very simple answers by the way, are to some of us very relevent. They also go to the heart of potential statutory violations by Bryon in his "preparations". His answers since have been "I didn't do all things right, and "the end justifies the means". Sounds like PETA BTW. Did any of you on the Board of Directors of this thread recommend these actions too? As I pointed out earlier, they weren't necessary.

Bryon, you hint that you made mistakes, or at least "did not do things right". Some of us try to fix our mistakes. But with you, in your own words "the end justifies the means!" True colors?

The King Has No Clothes.
 
shrap said:
Bryon,

There are plenty of folks here that believe you and believe you did the right thing. Believe that you did tell the truth regardless of what others here choose to think and how they constantly try and to twist this into something else entirely.

And we do get to vote with our dollars, and none of mine will be going towards Allen, but I will have no problem doing business with you Bryon if you are ever selling anything I need.

At this point I would no longer get baited into arguing with some of the people on here. They are just trying to get you to lose your temper and make a spectacle of yourself so they can use that against you. Don't do it. Don't give them the satisfaction. You came here and said what you had to say, answered every REASONABLE question asked of you. The only thing left is for you to give updates on the situation or to respond to anything Allen himself may have to say. Anything else is just fodder for the peanut gallery.
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Sammy, that has to be the best post I've seen here in a LONG time!!! You get a gold star for the day. :thumbsup:
 
I wasn't around when Bryon was looking for advice on what to do with this situation. What I said was I WOULD have recomended he do things differently~ but thats pretty easy for me to say~ hindsight being 20/20 and all. I posted my point about it being "bad form" hoping it would explain to Bryon and some others why some people may be examining him extra hard.

I don't understand:

Chamco said:
Bryon, you hint that you made mistakes, or at least "did not do things right". Some of us try to fix our mistakes. But with you, in your own words "the end justifies the means!" True colors?

The King Has No Clothes.
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What exactly is Bryon to be fixing? He has admitted he didn't do everything "right"~ but again~ thats easy to see now~ hindsight and all.

shrap said:
Bryon, you could have came here with God, Jesus, Allah and Buddha all standing by your side and you still would have had some faction that was going to rip you. That is just the way it is around here. And it needs to be to a degree. In this case however I think some folks have just been a little overzealous.
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I couldn't agree more with that!
 
Jim, even the worst of kings, naked or not, knew when to call it quits and to find a different fight.

Griz
 
So some of the people posting on this thread advised Bryon how to proceed prior to this thread being posted? This could help explain why anyone posting a differing opinion seems to be getting attacked so vigorously.
 
This may help a few of you ...

Cheryl, I believe you are trying to respectfully understand. Here's what you ask:
What exactly is Bryon to be fixing?
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Bryon says:
Maybe I did not do all things right ....
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I have asked Bryon if these "things" might be mistakes. If Bryon cares to elaborate on his view of things he did "not right", then we'll give it a look, and maybe your question will be answered. I too, am waiting for Bryan to identify these "things".

Griz. Takes at least two to tango. Everyone knows where the door is.

To those of you I have referred to as "The Board of Directors", that being those who discussed the issue with Bryon in emails etc in the days and weeks prior to this thread being started. I acknowledge that I have PM and email exchanges with a portion of the group, and you have noted that you are troubled by the actions of Bryon, as he was asked about in Post #202, where you have been told that proof exists. At least with those whom I have discussed it privately, I believe that you did not know of, much less condone these extra actions. I thank you for your honesty there. Your choice to sing a slightly different tune here is yours, of course. I don't agree, but then again, I am playing only my cards, not yours. I have reason to believe that you have couseled Bryon on the side since these revelations came to light, and hope it has some positive effect. Bryon stated something akin to "I am new at this" as rationale for not doing "some things right". New at what, I am not sure. A BOI thread? .... Nope. An expose?..... Maybe. What is and isn't legal? .....You're mid-30's Bryon, "ignorance is no excuse". Matters of character and integrity? ....... ? How to approach a man with whom you have significant disagreement, and not resort to deception? ...... ?
Bryon. That Friday night - Saturday morning, you had an email exchange with Allen where you used one hand to shake his, while stabbing him in the back with the other. You couldn't just face him, either in email or in person, and say "Look dude, I'm going to nail you", and then proceed to come here to the BOI. Your choice. Must be new at it.
 
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Griz. Takes at least two to tango. Everyone knows where the door is.
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Absolutely Jim, but even you have to admit that this "tango" makes "Dancing with the Stars" look good!
:dgrin:

The horse is dead and Allen has been exposed for what he is. Allen's reputation precedes him (view the other threads about his husbandry) and this is serving no real purpose to continue this. This has gone from someone's husbandry skills (or lack thereof) to a game about who can get the last word. I, for one, concede. The last word is yours Jim.

Griz
 
Griz, LOL

Absolutely Jim, but even you have to admit that this "tango" makes "Dancing with the Stars" look good!
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I agree, but some of them look pretty darn good even without this thread as a comparison. Many tango'd to bring this thread this far, with at least 75% of the dancing being done by those who "rubber-stamped" Bryon. Only one entity rubber-stamped Allen, and he was suspended for rules violations about derogatory words or abuse many posts ago.

This will likely not be the last post in this thread, if for no other reason than the school buses will be dropping off all the kids beginning around 2:20 EST on this side of the planet. They always want to be heard!
 
Tough questions.......
I'm pretty sure we all know the answers to them
and I'm equally sure I don't want to see Bryon have to answer them all at once

He's admitted he didn't do it "right" or as I put it~ it was "bad form"~
But he did do a good thing bringing this all into the light at the same time.

You don't need to see him skinned alive for "bad form" do you? I'm pretty sure you don't~ you've just got your back up from all the backbiting back and forth here.

Bryon did a good thing~ he went about it in a fashion some of us disaprove of. It's done~ it can't be undone.
 
Chamco said:
I agree, but some of them look pretty darn good even without this thread as a comparison. Many tango'd to bring this thread this far, with at least 75% of the dancing being done by those who "rubber-stamped" Bryon. Only one entity rubber-stamped Allen, and he was suspended for rules violations about derogatory words or abuse many posts ago.

Jim, I don't recall you being fined and suspended.

Must have missed that!

This will likely not be the last post in this thread, if for no other reason than the school buses will be dropping off all the kids beginning around 2:20 EST on this side of the planet. They always want to be heard!
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Are you playing hooky today or did the short bus forget to pick you up?
 
Chamco said:
Many tango'd to bring this thread this far, with at least 75% of the dancing being done by those who "rubber-stamped" Bryon.
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But yet, one person has probably 20% of the total replies on this thread. I wonder who that is?
 
CHAM said:
I agree, but some of them look pretty darn good even without this thread as a comparison. Many tango'd to bring this thread this far, with at least 75% of the dancing being done by those who "rubber-stamped" Bryon. Only one entity rubber-stamped Allen, and he was suspended for rules violations about derogatory words or abuse many posts ago.
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Jim, I don't recall you being fined and suspended.

Must have missed that!

CHAM said:
This will likely not be the last post in this thread, if for no other reason than the school buses will be dropping off all the kids beginning around 2:20 EST on this side of the planet. They always want to be heard!
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Are you playing hooky today or did the short bus forget to pick you up?
 
Your own words Jim!!

Chamco said:
Some of the keys to good citical writing, especially in open forum, is to be somewhat brief, so as not to lose audience, somewhat timely, so as to be relevent, and somewhat restrained, so as to be taken seriously. It is not always easy when we are passionate about our concerns. But it is necessary, lest we allow ourselves to be easily dismissed. In all earnestness, I think you violated all three guidelines. My advice would be to also realize the futility in flame wars, public and private. Been there, done that, and know of which I speak. The concept of a need to get on with things, and move forward, is very time-tested. It is often excellent advice to heed.
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Does this still apply? Only to others?
 
Do I hear crop duster's

I agree. Many of us feel that Bryon's actions and motives are absolutely integral to the thread, and more than a few personal attacks have been leveled at us for having that opinion
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Is that the best you can do Scott?
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Nah I must be mistaken.............just my ceiling fan blowin the stench of this once informative thread, out of the bathroom window right after my X husband was in it.

Boyz.............step away from the key boards....that's it.....now sit down....good stay there!!!
 
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