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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

Yes I do know you, have for quite some time. I didn't say what i said because you didn't back me , I said it because ..

It was a tad convient that the litter came from a friend of his .

He's claimed to be IBD free over fecal exams.

I'm not the only one who doesn't think the animal could be firmly ID'd.

He remembered everyone else who he sold to but not the person who restarted this thread.

Unless the breeder had intentions of selling individual animals from a litter , most wouldn't take time to take pics of an litter slated for wholesale.

And as trivial as it may seem , your buddy would'nt even confirm or deny his description from Ron. Coulda been an oversight but I think not.


I said he started the animal thing over money myself and Allen claims to now have a love for the animals but seems to be taking his sweet time to decide to " TRY " to get any of the questionable boas back for testing. As soon as I read this thread i knew any animal Ron posted would be dismissed as not coming from Allen. It looked a bit too easy for you to be the particular breeder of the boas in question . I no longer use people pc. The e-mail shoulda bounced back to you .

way i figured it you took my job after i quit it was your job to clean them cages what he paid you for if you had to work 60 hours to do it then work i ran petshop and took care of all you did in forty hours.
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Guess I hit a nerve huh? I would've made a post like that about anyone I knew had personal history with Allen that came here with that claim considering the circumstances .
 
This is a pic of my bros snake with a bonus...he had a card allen gave him, this i did not know...All bought in the same transaction, and by the way this snake has a vet appt soon.
 

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Well I guess that settle that and the darn card is Yellow gee thought Allen said they were some other color.

Allen being less than truthful in this will come back and bite you. Randy
 
Airtrixx, don't know it this helps or not but your brothers snake was not produced by tegus for you either. i got my own problems with Allen so I'm not in the fight I'm just concerned that i may get IBD from allens animals if they test positive for IBD. i don't think he has it. I'm going to have some blood work done on a sampling of my boas for my peace of mind and to protect others. as i too have animals from him.
 
big daddy's wholesal said:
He also stated that he lost my yellow card. My cards are tan and all are done by the same printer everytime. He said he just found my add on kingsnake. I advertise everyday on kingsnake and
Allen Belcher
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See now Allen......these are the things that really make people stop and think. If you are willing to lie about something so seemingly insignificant as the color of your business card to discredit this guy.....one had to wonder what else you have lied about.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one....I really don't know why, but I did. I feel pretty dumb right about now.
 
Well, I done just fell off the fence, Allen, I really wanted to believe that this was a missunderstanding :shrug01: That it was possible Ron didn't get the snake from you..........Now the sad thing is with all those you have for sale over at K.S, People who don't frequent Fauna, will never know of this tale of woo,And possibly be lossing more then just the price of the snake they buy from you,That is really sad.
 
Bill one thing that is even sadder is that, say someone buys an animal from Allen and infects some or all of his/her other animals with IBD. It leaves Allen wide open as his response here in this thread proves he either knew or had to have a reasonable suspicion that he might be selling an IBD infected snake. Leaves a lot of legal recourse for anyone that might take the hit.

We all take a certain risk every time we bring in a new animal but this seems to sure be raising the risk level for anyone who has or plans to to business with Allen....
Randy
 
Another thing is that this thread isn't getting all that many views so many who even look at the BOI haven't noticed the change in the subject of this thread. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Bill one thing that is even sadder is that, say someone buys an animal from Allen and infects some or all of his/her other animals with IBD. It leaves Allen wide open as his response here in this thread proves he either knew or had to have a reasonable suspicion that he might be selling an IBD infected snake. Leaves a lot of legal recourse for anyone that might take the hit.

We all take a certain risk every time we bring in a new animal but this seems to sure be raising the risk level for anyone who has or plans to to business with Allen....
Randy
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Yes we do but things like this, common sense should kick in (ie) Hey I sold a person a snake that had IBD, I think I should pull all of my ads until this is resolved and I know for sure my animals are 100 % But No I'll keep selling and Butt hump everyone, Money is more important in the pocket then what people think of me.....And that is total bull shit...And despite this there is really isn't a damn thing we can do to put an end to this.....
 
Bill_Leverton said:
Yes we do but things like this, common sense should kick in (ie) Hey I sold a person a snake that had IBD, I think I should pull all of my ads until this is resolved and I know for sure my animals are 100 % But No I'll keep selling and Butt hump everyone, Money is more important in the pocket then what people think of me.....And that is total bull shit...And despite this there is really isn't a damn thing we can do to put an end to this.....
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strike the is......I am hopping mad at this point
 
When this all started I was on the fence with this ordeal and even considered that Allen may not be in the wrong. Pictures say a thousand words, which are in defense of Ron. "Store Quality" as is written on your business card, is just that, store quality.
 
ravensgait said:
Another thing is that this thread isn't getting all that many views so many who even look at the BOI haven't noticed the change in the subject of this thread. Randy
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Good point. I've been watching this and sitting on the fence not quite knowing what to think but the photo evidence is there now.

Ron really had no big axe to grind here, he has presented evidence of IBD and also a business card.

Perhaps a moderator can split this thread from where Ron made his first post with a new title to more accurately reflect what has occurred.
 
Wow. I guess the next question is if the animals were taken to a show, what else was taken to the show and exposed to these animals. Even if we are assuming his breeders are kept at different buildings from these animals, what does he take to shows? Does anybody recall what kind of animals were present on his table? Should we assume that not everything that went to the show were wholesale animals? :ack2:
 
Jim O said:
Perhaps a moderator can split this thread from where Ron made his first post with a new title to more accurately reflect what has occurred.
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Jim I agree whole heartly.....Even though the start of this thread and what we have here go hand in hand.... Crap in a cage pales in comparision to what has transpired here with the IBD, and this needs to be split into 2 different stories. :angry:
 
Oh, and Allen, if I were you I would pull my ads, quarantine my entire collection, and get a substantial proportion of my boids tested. Losing a high end collection to IBD will be small change compared to knowingly infecting others' collections. I would also notify all known customers from the last several years about this and follow up with results. Hopefully this will be isolated.

It's time for damage control, not denial.
 
Jim O said:
Perhaps a moderator can split this thread from where Ron made his first post with a new title to more accurately reflect what has occurred.
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I spoke to Rich via PM and he does not split BOI threads for legal reasons. I really do not blame him honestly. He has no objection at all to Ron creating a new thread with a new title.

Ron,

If you are still reading this, consider starting a thread indicating that you believe that you received an IBD infected animal from this party. You may want to include the story as you recall, refer to this thread, and post the scan from post number 462 (necropsy report) and the photo of the snake and business card, along with whatever other documentation that you have.

This way, people will be able to easily find this information for their reference.
 
Ron that's a good idea just make a new header then cut and past your first post and all the evidence you have provided into the new thread. This is one that needs to be noticed a lot more than it has..Randy
 
Yes we do but things like this, common sense should kick in (ie) Hey I sold a person a snake that had IBD, I think I should pull all of my ads until this is resolved and I know for sure my animals are 100 % But No I'll keep selling and Butt hump everyone, Money is more important in the pocket then what people think of me.....And that is total bull shit...And despite this there is really isn't a damn thing we can do to put an end to this.....
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I just perused the boa and bp section of KS for 3 pages each. Looks like he has either pulled his ads or just hasn't redone them yet. Time will tell. There is a show in Atlanta next month , wonder if there will be an appearance .
 
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