Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

[Bill_Leverton]

I just perused the boa and bp section of KS for 3 pages each. Looks like he has either pulled his ads or just hasn't redone them yet. Time will tell. There is a show in Atlanta next month , wonder if there will be an appearance .

Bryon they are still there as big as life....on the first page of Boas

 

[shurkahnzz]

there were ads on KS this morn and then I got busy and now they are gone so either he pulled them or they did


Bob J Schneider

 

[Bill_Leverton]

there were ads on KS this morn and then I got busy and now they are gone so either he pulled them or they did


Bob J Schneider

lol they were just there 20 mins ago

 

[Bill & Amy]

lol they were just there 20 mins ago

Allen's ads are down, you might have seen Big Daddys Boas ad which says it is based in Ft. Lauderdale. (sp?) So it must be someone else with similar name.

 

[airtrixx]

I have caused enough damage i think for now. I will not be posting a separate BOI untill i can absolutely be sure that this is the actual facts that allen has ibd in his collection. Even with all my evidence, the evidence does not 100% support the fact that his collection is contaminated. Like i said before the three animals that i aquired from allen were separated right after the sale, the only way for me to know if the disease actually came from the show that day is if the other animals both test positive(they all were caged together at the show). And even then i can only say it came from the show. My only hunch is that the abcess was developed enough to have been there for at least three weeks (so says the vet). And it was stated that the abcess was secondary to the immune break down caused by the ibd. Also, the animal was infested with parasites, these were observed by myself under a microscope. All of these factors added up only lead me to believe that it was already in the animal at the time of sale, but once again its not proof.
The problem with proving it is due to the fact so little is known about ibd in the first place. The ONLY true way to find out if any of allens collection is/was infected is for him to buckle up, get some tests done, and admit it if it is true. Which we probably would never hear about. So with that said i cannot post a separate boi.

Now everyone may be lookin at me a little funny, but i have said from the begining this started out as a warning to allen directly, when he tried to play me like a fool telling me how he has the university come out and all that jazz, i decided to look him up, and this is the thread i found. And as a warning to everyone else i pulled the ibd card. Then he continued in trying to make me look like a fool/lair and bashing my credibility, thats when i knew i had to present everything i had learned in the past few weeks for my and everyone elses sake.

If allen clears himself of the ibd, GREAT. But remember how much he tried to clear his name before he had any facts in his hand, NOT someone i want to trade with. And i think he has also killed his credibility in the original topic of this thread, with his "love and care" for the animals.

Honestly he seems like a great guy, at least from the tone of his personal emails...but he can not hide what he is with me, i have a few in my own family just like him, and to me they act exactly the same.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Allen's ads are down, you might have seen Big Daddys Boas ad which says it is based in Ft. Lauderdale. (sp?) So it must be someone else with similar name.

My apologies Big Daddys Boas.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

I have caused enough damage i think for now. I will not be posting a separate BOI untill i can absolutely be sure that this is the actual facts that allen has ibd in his collection. Even with all my evidence, the evidence does not 100% support the fact that his collection is contaminated. Like i said before the three animals that i aquired from allen were separated right after the sale, the only way for me to know if the disease actually came from the show that day is if the other animals both test positive(they all were caged together at the show). And even then i can only say it came from the show. My only hunch is that the abcess was developed enough to have been there for at least three weeks (so says the vet). And it was stated that the abcess was secondary to the immune break down caused by the ibd. Also, the animal was infested with parasites, these were observed by myself under a microscope. All of these factors added up only lead me to believe that it was already in the animal at the time of sale, but once again its not proof.
The problem with proving it is due to the fact so little is known about ibd in the first place. The ONLY true way to find out if any of allens collection is/was infected is for him to buckle up, get some tests done, and admit it if it is true. Which we probably would never hear about. So with that said i cannot post a separate boi.

Now everyone may be lookin at me a little funny, but i have said from the begining this started out as a warning to allen directly, when he tried to play me like a fool telling me how he has the university come out and all that jazz, i decided to look him up, and this is the thread i found. And as a warning to everyone else i pulled the ibd card. Then he continued in trying to make me look like a fool/lair and bashing my credibility, thats when i knew i had to present everything i had learned in the past few weeks for my and everyone elses sake.

If allen clears himself of the ibd, GREAT. But remember how much he tried to clear his name before he had any facts in his hand, NOT someone i want to trade with. And i think he has also killed his credibility in the original topic of this thread, with his "love and care" for the animals.

Honestly he seems like a great guy, at least from the tone of his personal emails...but he can not hide what he is with me, i have a few in my own family just like him, and to me they act exactly the same.

Ron, while I do see your line of reason, If by some chance the others don't prove to have it which would be a good thing and it does happen, What about the others that were housed together with them ?? The IBD had to come from somewhere. I'm sure on your way home, you didn't sneeze and poof you boa contracted IBD. With this buried here in a thread that nobody but a few are going read all the way through to get to this little tid-bit, I think the community as a whole need to see these Facts.... And if Allen's stock comes up clean then other avenues need to be explored don't you think ?? Just on a side note, Allen I am pulling for you that you come up clean on this whole thing. But if you don't Please let people know. Animals can always be replaced, Respect and trust take a hell of alot longer. JMO

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Does Allen also go by Big Daddy's Ball Room?

 

[Laura Fopiano]

I have watched and participated in this thread since it's conseption. I have been taken to task on my actions and or behaviors by backing Bryon. Being one of the so called board of directors was not an easy cross to bear and at times seemed to be an up hill battle. I said I would stand by him then and even more so now.

Ron I am so sorry for your loss, I have been where you are right now and it's one the most painfull things I have gone through. Bringing this situation to light is not an easy thing to do for I have had to make those phone calls myself and destroy thousands of dollars worth of animals in order to sleep a night and keep my own integrity intact. Please repost this thread and or ask for the moderators help in doing so.

We are a comunity that unfortunately has to police it's self. Some of us are above reproach, other's are down right scandalous, and then there are those who fly just below the radar........please don't let this sink into the abyss of the BOI and allow this person to fly under the radar. Give it the light is so rightly deserves!!!

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Does Allen also go by Big Daddy's Ball Room?

John,where did you see this name at ?? There seems to be alot of " Big Daddy " names popping up.

 

[BryonsBoas]

I have caused enough damage i think for now. I will not be posting a separate BOI untill i can absolutely be sure that this is the actual facts that allen has ibd in his collection. Even with all my evidence, the evidence does not 100% support the fact that his collection is contaminated. Like i said before the three animals that i aquired from allen were separated right after the sale, the only way for me to know if the disease actually came from the show that day is if the other animals both test positive(they all were caged together at the show). And even then i can only say it came from the show. My only hunch is that the abcess was developed enough to have been there for at least three weeks (so says the vet). And it was stated that the abcess was secondary to the immune break down caused by the ibd. Also, the animal was infested with parasites, these were observed by myself under a microscope. All of these factors added up only lead me to believe that it was already in the animal at the time of sale, but once again its not proof.
The problem with proving it is due to the fact so little is known about ibd in the first place. The ONLY true way to find out if any of allens collection is/was infected is for him to buckle up, get some tests done, and admit it if it is true. Which we probably would never hear about. So with that said i cannot post a separate boi.

Now everyone may be lookin at me a little funny, but i have said from the begining this started out as a warning to allen directly, when he tried to play me like a fool telling me how he has the university come out and all that jazz, i decided to look him up, and this is the thread i found. And as a warning to everyone else i pulled the ibd card. Then he continued in trying to make me look like a fool/lair and bashing my credibility, thats when i knew i had to present everything i had learned in the past few weeks for my and everyone elses sake.

If allen clears himself of the ibd, GREAT. But remember how much he tried to clear his name before he had any facts in his hand, NOT someone i want to trade with. And i think he has also killed his credibility in the original topic of this thread, with his "love and care" for the animals.

Honestly he seems like a great guy, at least from the tone of his personal emails...but he can not hide what he is with me, i have a few in my own family just like him, and to me they act exactly the same.

Ron
No damage on your part has been done. You've brought to light a very serious problem which needs as much attention as possible . You took the resposibility to not only contact the seller but to also bring it light to here . The last 2 parts of that responsibility left is ...

1) test the other animals.
2) Bring this to light in its own thread.

A few of us know firsthand or someone who has delt with IBD and know the damage it can cause. You were rightfully upset this happened to you so now put yourself ( which will be easy to do ) in the shoes of those who may purchase animals from Allen in the near future. Yes I know his ads are down but has he also stopped supplying shops and removed his show reservations if he has any?
At this stage of the game its very much unknown how much damage is going to happen , i.e. animals that have died but chalked up to " get what you pay for " or " I guess I screwed up " . There is a show coming in Atlanta next weekend . Its up to Allen to not attend if hes reserved tables already but if he chooses to go at least bring this out in the open in its own thread to give folks a chance to research the vendors and at least some of them go in with eyes wide open.

Allen
I commend you for removing your ads and knowing that the wholesale is 1 of 2 businesses for you its not easy to loose that income . I'm hoping you're going the full step foward and not selling anything until testing is done. I'll also say its obvious that your still not doing research for or about the animals you claim to love. Links have been provided if I remember correctly so I'd advise some research , printing copies of the symptoms to give your guys so they know what to look for and do a broad spectrum pull of animals to be tested. If your quarentine procedures and cross contamination procedures haven't improved then prepare for the worst. At this point febeele deniability claims will get you no where but shutting down for good , black listed as someone to stay away from and potentialy sued for destroying collections.

If allen clears himself of the ibd, GREAT

Ron and Allen, keep in mind both of you that considering the size / number of Allen's operation that even a good sized pull of animals to be tested still won't give a definitive clue as to how widespread this is in Allen's facilities. To be absolutely sure EVERYTHING that could contract IBD should be pulled and tested. If EVERYTHING , not just a few but EVERYTHING , comes back clean then consider it great. Until then as many people as possible need to be informed about this and not left in the dark by keeping it buried in this thread.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

John,where did you see this name at ?? There seems to be alot of " Big Daddy " names popping up.

There is a Big Daddy's Ballroom exhibiting at the FIRE Show in Orlando this weekend

 

[Bill & Amy]

Well, Allen called me the other day and asked me some questions about IBD etc. I think the reason he called me is because I was aggressively questioning him in this thread. It sounded by the end of the phone call he was going to try to acquire one of the boas he sold for testing, but the question now is How will we know he really acquired the animal back? How will we know it was one actually tested?

After the lies he has been caught telling us, how can we trust the answers to come?

After the lies (like the yellow business card) how do we trust you Allen?

 

[Rainbowboaman]

Byron,
Just for the record you commend Allen for removing his ads but new ones were posted today

 

[BryonsBoas]

I was looking about an hour ago , didn't see any ads but if I missed them I retract my statement.

 

[airtrixx]

Well, Allen called me the other day and asked me some questions about IBD etc. I think the reason he called me is because I was aggressively questioning him in this thread. It sounded by the end of the phone call he was going to try to acquire one of the boas he sold for testing, but the question now is How will we know he really acquired the animal back? How will we know it was one actually tested?

After the lies he has been caught telling us, how can we trust the answers to come?

After the lies (like the yellow business card) how do we trust you Allen?

I have readily available two of the other animals that were in the cage with mine that day and convinced one of the owners to have tests done at my expense. i will be posting the test results as soon as i get them.

I also have been doing alot of calling around and research on ibd lately..this is cutting edge but it is highly thought of now to only be able to be transferred thru bodily fluids, touching, and mites. The airborne thing is slowly being proven out, this disease is acting exactly like AIDS in humans as far as transfer. just a little of the latest on ibd. so it is possible to have a collection not riddled by ibd unless mites or bodily fluids are contacted thru both parties. But this is long away from fact yet, many more tests are being done in the university of florida, the biggest problem is funding, they are very very short on budget, i think we should set up a fundraiser to raise money for the testing and progress on finding out more about the disease and maybe one day develop a home testing kit or even better a cure!

 

[Bill & Amy]

Byron,
Just for the record you commend Allen for removing his ads but new ones were posted today

As stated earlier in the thread, there is an ad that sayd "Big Daddy's Boas" on KS that syas it is out of Ft Lauderdale. It is not the same person that we know of. Allen posts as "Big Daddy's Wholesale".

 

[Bill & Amy]

.this is cutting edge but it is highly thought of now to only be able to be transferred thru bodily fluids, touching, and mites. The airborne thing is slowly being proven out, this disease is acting exactly like AIDS in humans as far as transfer. just a little of the latest on ibd.

AIDS can't be given by touch, but IBD can. Not the same at all.

 

[airtrixx]

AIDS can't be given by touch, but IBD can. Not the same at all.

Although unlikely, it is possible to spread aids by kissing, snakes touch around the mouth all the time by causual contact also the disease is a retrovirus which means it cant survive in the air for much time at all but with a snakes #1 sense is their tounge flicking around catching airborne particles...therfore it is possible for a snake to maybe catch an very close by particle before the virus dies.

im not an expert just a thinker

 

[Bill & Amy]

Although unlikely, it is possible to spread aids by kissing, snakes touch around the mouth all the time by causual contact also the disease is a retrovirus which means it cant survive in the air for much time at all but with a snakes #1 sense is their tounge flicking around catching airborne particles...therfore it is possible for a snake to maybe catch an very close by particle before the virus dies.

im not an expert just a thinker

Kissing is an exchange of fluids.