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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

Thanks Ron

airtrixx said:
I would like allen to know that i did not want to do it, but i was taking heat from everysingle person so when the vote is all to one, i had to.
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Ron, anyone who's read the other thread knows that you didn't want to post a "stand alone" thread in case there is some mistake. But thank you for posting this, this information NEEDS to be out there for the public to see. IBD is not something to trifle with, and too many people have too much to loose. You lost one snake, others have lost dozens. You gave Allen every possible option to act responsibly, he has chosen not to. So, even though you didn't want to post this, thank you for doing so.
 
I think we all hope that Big Daddy (whatever it is today) does the right thing and shuts down till he can get a handle on this IE test and give it time to show or not show up in his animals. I do hope he is responsible enough to stop selling, shipping and taking animals to shows, I also would hope that he has contacted those he sold animals to (that he can remember) and let them know so they can take precautions.

If Allen trys to bury this problem or unload his animals now this could hurt a bunch of people if it hasn't done so already. Randy
 
Ron I agree with Erin and know you didn't want to do this but when it comes to something like IBD it is better to err on the side of caution IE let people know there may be a risk. The alternative was to wait and see and that could have been a disaster. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
I think we all hope that Big Daddy (whatever it is today) does the right thing and shuts down till he can get a handle on this IE test and give it time to show or not show up in his animals. I do hope he is responsible enough to stop selling, shipping and taking animals to shows, I also would hope that he has contacted those he sold animals to (that he can remember) and let them know so they can take precautions.

If Allen trys to bury this problem or unload his animals now this could hurt a bunch of people if it hasn't done so already. Randy
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Considering the evidence thats coming to light that whole idea is shot out the window already.
 
ravensgait said:
I think we all hope that Big Daddy (whatever it is today) does the right thing and shuts down till he can get a handle on this IE test and give it time to show or not show up in his animals. I do hope he is responsible enough to stop selling, shipping and taking animals to shows, I also would hope that he has contacted those he sold animals to (that he can remember) and let them know so they can take precautions.

If Allen trys to bury this problem or unload his animals now this could hurt a bunch of people if it hasn't done so already. Randy
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Randy hes on the vendor list @ FIRE so I don't think he shut down just changed his name.
 
Geeze guys I'm not that dumb at least I hope not.. You know the old addage about Honey. Notice the word hope in the first sentence as I said we can hope.. and suggest and well....... Randy
 
just a thought

Bill_Leverton said:
Randy hes on the vendor list @ FIRE so I don't think he shut down just changed his name.
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Maybe someone should tell the organizers of this show that one of the vendors is suspected of selling infected animals? They might want to know in order to protect themselves from the liability.
 
Ron, thank you for coming forward with this very important information, something like this could devastate the boa world. I wonder how many of these infected boas were sent out? I also wonder who he bought these from?

Randy, Just got back from that fishing trip. hahaha :rolleyes:
 
Nate, thats normally what happens. theres a big push to sell every thing to try and cut their losses. I guess the big sales start from here on out. I just hope the potential buyers look here first. :(
 
NathanLedet said:
I saw him at the FIRE show just hours ago...he had a lot of snakes up for sale. :NoNo:
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LOL <~~~ anger laugh, Well that just goes to show that Allen don't give a sh*t about nothing but himself.And to think I tried to give him the beneifit of the doubt. :angry:
 
Ed Clark said:
Nate, thats normally what happens. theres a big push to sell every thing to try and cut their losses. I guess the big sales start from here on out. I just hope the potential buyers look here first. :(
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Not if they are at the show.....Damn I see mass euthanasia (sp) on the horizon.
 
Was just cruising through KS and saw Big Daddy Boa out of Florida, is this the same person? They have some high end boas up for sale
 
rick c said:
Was just cruising through KS and saw Big Daddy Boa out of Florida, is this the same person? They have some high end boas up for sale
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Rick That one is still up in the air :confused:
 
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about: MALE WOMAS ALMOST THREE FEET BEST PRICING ON KINGSNAKE
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:47:03 EST

I GOT SEVEN SNAKES TESTED THROUGH BLOOD WORK WITH THE UNIVERSITY AND ALL
CAME BACK NEGATIVE FOR IBD. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PRELIMINARY TESTS THAT WILL
BE RAN. THEY ARE TESTING FOUR OF THE SNAKES FOR IBD THROUGH THE TISSUE SAMPLES.
I WILL NOT KNOW THE RESULTS FOR 10 TO 14 BUSINESS DAYS. I WILL MAKE YOU
AWARE OF THE RESULTS BY PROOF OF THE PAPERWORK AS SOON AS I HAVE IT. I DID NOT GO
ON FAUNA WITH THE BLOODWORK BECAUSE THEY CALLED ME ON THE PHONE WITH THE
RESULTS. SO I HAVE NO PROOF AS OF YET. THE HERPTOLOCIST DID TELL ME HOWEVER THAT
IF A SNAKE UNDER THE AGE OF 6 MONTHS OLD HAS IBD THAT THE MOTHER IS THE ONLY
WAY THAT A SNAKE THAT YOUNG COULD HAVE THE DIESEASE. HE ALSO ADDED THAT THE
MOTHER WOULD HAVE PASSED THE IBD TO EVERY SINGLE BABY AS THEY WOULD BE LIVING
OFF OF HER BODY FLUIDS. TWO OF THE SNAKES BEING TESTED ARE RELATED TO THE
SNAKES THAT I SOLD AT THAT SHOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS WITH YOU CONCERNING THIS THREAD. THE
FIRST IS THE YELLOW BUSINESS CARD. MY WIFE DID GO AND HAVE MORE CARDS PRINTED UP
FROM KINKOS THE DAY BEFORE WE LEFT FOR THAT SHOW. SHE DID GET THEM PRINTED IN
YELLOW. WHEN I WROTE THAT I DID NOT HAVE YELLOW CARDS I TRUELY BELIEVED THAT
I DID NOT. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME SHE HAD PRINTED CARDS FOR ME, SO FOR MY
MISTAKE I AM SORRY. I TRUELY FELT YOU WERE MESSING WITH ME WHEN YOU SAID THAT
ABOUT THE YELLOW CARDS.
I READ WHERE YOU SAID THAT YOU WAITED FOR MY RESPONSE AND THEN YOU POSTED
THIS STUFF ON FAUNA. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GO AND LOOK AT THE TIME ON THE EMAILS
WE TRADED AND THE TIME THAT YOU POSTED ON FAUNA. IF AS YOU SAY THIS WAS TO
INFORM ME, THEN WHY POST ON FAUNA. I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU EMAILS AND EVEN
GIVING YOU THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU PURCHASED THE SNAKE FROM ME. ADDING
TO THAT STATEMENT I STILL CAN NOT SAY THAT YOU DID OR DID NOT PURCHASE THE
SNAKE FROM ME. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PICTURES YET FROM THE BREEDER THAT THE BOAS I
HAD AT THE SHOW CAME FROM. HOWEVER I AM TREATING THIS LIKE YOU DID. AS I
STATED EARLIER I WILL SEND YOU PAPERWORK AS SOON AS I HAVE IT IN HAND.
NOW THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING ABOUT THIS ALL ALONG. IBD
IS A HARD TOPIC IN THE REPTILE INDUSTRY AND I AM NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY.
I WILL ASK FOR YOU TO CONCIDER ONE THING. IF MY SNAKES PROVE TO BE IBD
POSSITIVE LET ME START MY OWN THREAD TELLING OTHERS, THEY SHOULD HEAR IT FROM ME
PERSONALLY NOT ANYONE ELSE. AND IF IT PROVES TO BE IBD NEGATIVE I WILL LET YOU
TELL IT ANYWAY YOU WANT AS LONG AS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RESULTS ARE REVEALED.

THANKS ALLEN BELCHER
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This the e-mail that was passed on to me by the original reciever, I in turn passed it on ( the you tell 2 friends thing ) I think this is pretty much self explaining in my eyes anyway....... :shrug01:
 
This whole thing is such BS, if a person knows he is selling infected animals why would he do a show? My love for these boas outweigh any amount of cash. I just don't understand.
 
Bill_Leverton said:
And to think I tried to give him the beneifit of the doubt. :angry:
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Please. From the day last February that Bryon originally posted about Allen he has smelled just as phony and shady as you did back when you were trying to cover up your BS move.
 
OMFG.... I can't believe that SOB is out at the FIRE show ewhen he KNOWS that he could have animals carrying IBD. And to think THe little bit I talked to him, he actually almost made me believe he gave a damn.

Can anyone notify those running the show about this???
 
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