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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

RE: Spider from Allen

Well, I have had my spider for almost 3 months. Should be coming up on about that. He still doesn't eat on his own, was severly underweight when I got him, and still tries to spit his food back out while I am assit feeding him. I have managed to put 30 to 40 grams on him since I have gotten him but still a long road ahead. He is in quarantine as I do with all my snakes but I still worry about contamination. I did receive an email from Allen asking me to send him the snake back for an exchange for another one that is "feeding well and is over 200 grams".

If nothing else, I feel I saved this little guys life if he doesn't have IBD, (which he is going to the vet tomorrow after reading this post) and I can get him going.

You know, I have spent tons of money buying snakes this year and loving every min. of it but this situation just blows. I bought lessers, mojaves, carmels....etc this year and had great experiences but I guess one situation with the wrong person and it can ruin it for everyone.
 
Sorry, Jon.

I would get whatever testing done that you can get done.....and go from there.
 
Jon Mitchell said:
Well, I have had my spider for almost 3 months. Should be coming up on about that. He still doesn't eat on his own, was severly underweight when I got him, and still tries to spit his food back out while I am assit feeding him. I have managed to put 30 to 40 grams on him since I have gotten him but still a long road ahead. He is in quarantine as I do with all my snakes but I still worry about contamination. I did receive an email from Allen asking me to send him the snake back for an exchange for another one that is "feeding well and is over 200 grams".

If nothing else, I feel I saved this little guys life if he doesn't have IBD, (which he is going to the vet tomorrow after reading this post) and I can get him going.

You know, I have spent tons of money buying snakes this year and loving every min. of it but this situation just blows. I bought lessers, mojaves, carmels....etc this year and had great experiences but I guess one situation with the wrong person and it can ruin it for everyone.
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That's one of the main points of this thread.

Guys just like you, doing this for fun and maybe some cash down the road, investing hard earned dollars, NOW facing the possibility of having to destroy an entire collection OR become another allen.

And he didn't even kiss you before he bent you over, did he?
 
I was asked to post this for another member here, as he wasn't sure how to get the whole thing on here. It is an email from Allen to him. To me, it shows not only Allen's ignorance (chosen, or otherwise) and unwillingness to even THINK about what this could do to others, as he plans to continue selling animals.....and seems to think people are just mad because he is a"southern boy" making lots of money....

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:35 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Re: Message about: HERE'S THE LIST, BUT WERE YOU GOOD ENOUGH FOR THESE TO MAK...

JOEPYTHONS, I AM AWARE OF THE THREAD ON FAUNA. FIRST I DO NOT KNOW IF THE GUY (AIRTRIXX) BOUGHT FROM ME OR NOT. SECONDLY I HAVE HAD THE UNIVERSITY DO PRELIMINARY BLOOD WORK THAT CAME BACK FINE ON MY SNAKES. I JUST FLAT REFUSE TO GO ON THE SIGHT AND EVEN READ THE THREAD OR GIVE IT THE TIME OF DAY. IBD IS NOT AN AIRBORN DISEASE. IT IS TRANSFERED THROUGH BLOOD, SEX, AND OTHER BODILY FLUIDS. IT IS THE AIDS OF THE REPTILES. HOWEVER BOAS CAN BE CARRIERS AND LIVE WITH THE VIRUS FOR A LONG TIME, WHEN PYTHONS CAN NOT. PYTHONS WILL SHOW SIGNS IN AS LITTLE AS TWO WEEKS AND LIVE A MAX OF 35 DAYS. ALSO THE REASON NO ONE IS DEFENDING ME IS THAT I PERSONALLY ASKED SEVERAL OF MY FRIENDS TO NOT GET INVOLVED. IBD WAS DISCOVERED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN GAINSVILLE. I WISH THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE THREAD WOULD DO AS I HAVE AND SPEND A LITTLE TIME CONTACTING THE SCIENCE AND PATHOLOGY DEPARTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. IF THEY WOULD MAKE GOOD USE WITH THEIR TIME IN LEARNING THE DETAILS ABOUT THE DISEASE. THEY WOULD DISCOVER THAT THEY HAVE OPENED THEIR MOUTH AND INSERTED THEIR FOOT. I HAVE 8 BOAS IN MY ENTIRE COLLECTION OF HIGH ENDS. THEY ARE KEEP IN A ROOM THAT CONTAINS RETICULATED PYTHONS. IF I HAD IBD I WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT ALONG TIME AGO THROUGH THE DEATH OF MY RETICS. ALSO IF THE GUY DID PURCHASE A SNAKE FROM ME IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM MY WHOLESALE COLLECTION WHICH IS IN ANOTHER SEPERATE FACILITY. THIS COLLECTION CONTAINS MANY DIFFERENT BREEDS AND LOCALS OF REPTILES. SO HERE AGAIN I WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU INTENDED TO FIND THIS INFORMATION OUT FOR YOUR OWN BENIFIT OR IF YOU INTEND TO HAVE THIS ADDED TO THE THREAD. SO I WILL ADD THIS:
JEALOUSY AND GREED ARE THE TWO FACTORS THAT DRIVES OUR WORLD. THEY ARE ALSO THE TWO FACTORS THAT TEAR OUR WORLD APART. I AM NOT THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN THE REPTILE INDUSTRY AND AT THE SAME TIME NOT THE SMALLEST. I SPENT ALOT OF MONEY TO GET INTO THIS MARKET AND I SEE THE MARKET PRICES CHANGING. SO I CHANGE WITH IT. WHICH SOMETIMES MEANS I HAVE TO STAY A STEP AHEAD OF IT TO GET THE SALE. GREED? NO! SMART, VERY SMART! SEE IF I WORKED FOR ANY OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT VERY THREAD AND WAS IN THEIR SALES DEPARTMENT. I WOULD BE RECEIVING BONUSES AND CONGRATS. BUT SENSE I WORK FOR ME, THEY CONCIDER ME THE ENEMY. FUNNY THING IS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ME! SO BECAUSE I SALE ALOT OF REPTILES I AM A TARGET. IT OFFENDS PEOPLE WHEN A (SOUTHERN BOY) AS I HAVE BEEN CALLED, COMES TO A SHOW AND WALKS OUT WITH ALOT OF MONEY. WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT PARTICULAR SHOW FOR YEARS AND NEVER DONE THOSE KIND OF SALES. SO THIS IS WHERE THE JEALOUSY COMES IN AND THEN TURNS TO ANGER. BUT WHY ARE THEY ANGRY AT ME? BECAUSE I CAME AND DID WHAT WE ALL GO TO SHOWS TO DO. SELL SNAKES! SO HERE'S MY TAKE ON THE THREAD YOU ASKED ME ABOUT. I BELIEVE WITH EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW AND HAVE WITNESSED WITH MY COLLECTION THAT I AM IBD FREE. ALSO I WILL CONTINUE TO SELL SNAKES AT THE BEST PRICES AND OF THE BEST QUALITY AT SHOWS AND ON THE INTERNET.
FINAL THOUGHT:
I HAVE CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLAR COLLECTION. I ALONG WITH TWO OTHERS WORK HERE DAILY. SNAKES IS WHAT I DO. I WOULD KNOW.

OH ONE MORE THING. BIG DADDY BALLROOM IS MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND HAS BEEN SINCE I STARTED MY COMPANY. IT IS [email protected] MY NAME IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE BIG DADDY WHOLESALE AND THIS WAS THE BANNER THAT WAS AT MY END CAP AT THE FIRE SHOW THIS WEEKEND. IT IS ALSO THE NAME THAT I SENT THEM TO DO ON MY BADGES AND FOR THE WEBSITE. CINDY, WHO IS ONE OF THE PROMOTERS, USED MY EMAIL INFO INSTEAD OF MY NAME. THEIR MISTAKE. I AM NOT CHANGING MY NAME.
THANKS ALLEN
 
Thanks

Cathy,i thank you for helping me :thumbsup: .Now just so their is no confusion as to why i contacted Allen i will explain.I wanted to see what his reply was and to also show that he indeed does know about this IBD problem.So basically he can not say i am just lying along with the others because i have a problem with him.I could not have it "out" for him because i have never heard of him until the threads on fauna were posted.
 
Joe we know he is aware of the threads here as he has posted recently or are you saying that he is aware that he has IBD in his animals?? That email doesn't have him admitting he knows he has IBD in his animals of facility. Not sure what your trying to say in your last post??

One thing I do hope is that no one will come here and accuse him without having the proof to back it up.. So far we have a Vet report that shows an animal bought from Big Daddy wholesale had IBD and another that may or may not of had it and I hope we see the Vet report on that one. Randy
 
Also it might be an idea to discuss this in the other thread about Allen IE the one that says IBD in the title. One it is shorter and is just about IBD and the title will garner more attention than this threads title will. Randy
 
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ravensgait said:
Joe we know he is aware of the threads here as he has posted recently or are you saying that he is aware that he has IBD in his animals?? That email doesn't have him admitting he knows he has IBD in his animals of facility. Not sure what your trying to say in your last post??

One thing I do hope is that no one will come here and accuse him without having the proof to back it up.. So far we have a Vet report that shows an animal bought from Big Daddy wholesale had IBD and another that may or may not of had it and I hope we see the Vet report on that one. Randy
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Randy,i felt since he mentioned having that University do blood work on his collection it showed he also questioned the health of his reptiles.Now of course he said everything was fine,but he is the only one that knows the results of those tests if they even exist.I was just trying to help out.
 
I Love the part where he says he is so smart, but uses all the wrong words, such as "sense" for since, "sale" for sell etc. What a prodigy.
 
Oh and i think that i mentioned Flordia U. being the lead investigators in the ibd epidemic a long long time ago in this thread.
 
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airtrixx said:
I Love the part where he says he is so smart, but uses all the wrong words, such as "sense" for since, "sale" for sell etc. What a prodigy.
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I forgot to add something to my earlier post.I also thought it was really weird that he says he has no idea if Airtrixx really purchased anything from him.Then he totally remembers everyone who hates him because he is a "southern good ole boy".
 
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airtrixx said:
Oh and i think that i mentioned Flordia U. being the lead investigators in the ibd epidemic a long long time ago in this thread.
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OK i must have missed it then.
 
Joe that's true he did mention that in the email and earlier somewhere in this thread when the IBD thing first came up he said the same thing as well as claiming he's had fecal samples tested. Not sure if he didn't know that those test couldn't show if he had IBD or not or if he was just BSing to throw people off. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Joe that's true he did mention that in the email and earlier somewhere in this thread when the IBD thing first came up he said the same thing as well as claiming he's had fecal samples tested. Not sure if he didn't know that those test couldn't show if he had IBD or not or if he was just BSing to throw people off. Randy
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He KNOWS Randy. Any vet that would have done a fecal would have told him right there on the spot that a fecal would not determine if IBD was present. Same with the blood test. Get real man.
 
Sammy just giving the guy the benifit of the doubt as he hasn't stated if he knows or not... But then he did say he was smart in that email ..Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Sammy just giving the guy the benifit of the doubt as he hasn't stated if he knows or not... But then he did say he was smart in that email ..Randy
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Honestly Randy, what benefit is there to give him? You think a vet aint going to talk to you about what you are wanting tested for and then the results?
 
ravensgait said:
Sammy just giving the guy the benifit of the doubt as he hasn't stated if he knows or not... But then he did say he was smart in that email ..Randy
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Yeah, and he also claimed to know exactly how IBD is spread. Which is pretty impressive, considering those who have been researching it for years.....QUALIFIED smart-type people.......still don't know for certain.
 
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