Bad Guy Amanda & Mike Webb of The Pet Gecko

[guruza]

I guarantee my IP isnt in AZ because im in UT. I made this account in AZ and I dont know how to change it. I will if someone tells me how though.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

I actually have ready the entire thread and I only posted what it sounded like you wanted. If I was wrong in my assumption then I apologize. What Iv been trying to say (unsuccessfully obviously) Is that a sick gecko and an outburst dont really deserve a 20+ page bad guy thread. And from reading the thread almost all of the posts are completely about the outburst. If you dont get a refund its obviously because this thread has really upset the seller and posting that you dont expect a refund probably wont help your odds at getting one. Yes, a crypto positive could have costed you thousands, but as far as I know, it has not. Personally if I bought a 60$ gecko and it started looking sick I would not have spent nearly as much as you spent diagnosing/euthanizing it. Is that because I dont care for my reptiles? No. Its because im realistic and would prefer to save that money on the reptiles I have spent years bonding with or costed me alot more. I would also not take a cat off the street and immediately take it to the vet.

A diagnoses of crypto absolutely justifies a bad guy thread, especially when the seller starts offloading stock with a discount sale. It's not something that should just quietly go away. What about all the other people who are buying potentially sick animals from them?

And if you suspected a serious illness like crypto, why would you NOT test the animal? Especially when the rest of your collection is at risk. This isn't an animal that had the sniffles, this is an animal that had a highly contagious, fatal disease.

I really just don't understand how you can shrug that all off like it's nothing.

 

[guruza]

Also you spelled my last name wrong which is kind of ridiculous considering its right under my post number (which youv obviously read). I guess if you sound it out it would sound right the way you spelled it though.

 

[guruza]

I said it didnt warrant a 20+ page bad guy thread. And unless you are somehow monitoring his movements you have no idea if he tested his animals or not. All you know is that he said he tested them and thats all you will ever really have. One of many geckos tested positive, and to my knowledge, no others have sprouted up. You can either trust that he did test his animals you or you can believe other people, who also have no idea whether he did or not, who are saying he didnt because hes slow at posting. (and from what iv heard so far wouldnt believe him regardless of whether he posts evidence or not)

 

[Johnsonsblasting]

The problem is that too many ppl think like you and just put the sick gecko in the freezer and move on. Who knows how many they have sold that died but were never tested. When going through their reviews on Facebook page there were quite a few that stated their geckos died. Just saying


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos

 

[guruza]

I went through the same reviews and i have no idea what your talking about. The only negative reviews i read were from people on this thread who have never done business with them. And yeah, if i just bought the gecko im certainly not going to spend 10X what i spent on the gecko killing it. I dont understand why you see that as bad and not as being realistic.

 

[Ed Clark]

Sam, 1 question. can you sleep well tonight not worrying if the reptiles you purchased from the Webbs are positive or negative for crypto?

 

[Johnsonsblasting]

Then you didn't go back far enough. I saw them when this tread first got started and even tried to contact some of them.

The problem is if it was crypto that your animal is sick and/or died from then you need to know that in my opinion.


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos

 

[hallowedone]

Doesn't sound like he would care or not. Just toss them in the freezer and move on. For those of us who actually have souls we do everything we can to take care of our little ones. Humans put them in the position so its our jobs to take care of them fully. Not just shrug and move on.

My question is has anyone notified the state? Wouldn't they want to know about something that "could" become a potential outbreak? Would they force them to get the tests done? (weather they were done in the first place or not)

 

[guruza]

If the animals i bought from them are infected with crypto then they will die, but they will die alone as they are in quarantine. Of course I bought mine around the same time this thread was started and i have seen no symptoms. I see no reason to spend hundreds of dollars putting a 60$ animal down when i could just as easily spend that money keep the animals I actually have bonded to alive. I care about my reptiles so much that im willing to let 1 die so i can afford to save the rest. Sorry you dont understand that. And to the person who said i didnt go back far enough, the page had MAYBE 30 reviews and 20 of them were from here and the rest were 4 star reviews. Iv been watching this thread since day 1 and same with their page. If you are saying many people had geckos die, then you must have found that info somewhere besides their FB page.

 

[lilnightmare]

If the animals i bought from them are infected with crypto then they will die, but they will die alone as they are in quarantine. Of course I bought mine around the same time this thread was started and i have seen no symptoms. I see no reason to spend hundreds of dollars putting a 60$ animal down when i could just as easily spend that money keep the animals I actually have bonded to alive. I care about my reptiles so much that im willing to let 1 die so i can afford to save the rest. Sorry you dont understand that. And to the person who said i didnt go back far enough, the page had MAYBE 30 reviews and 20 of them were from here and the rest were 4 star reviews. Iv been watching this thread since day 1 and same with their page. If you are saying many people had geckos die, then you must have found that info somewhere besides their FB page.

If it comes to the point you need to let one animal die in order to have enough money to care for the rest instead of taking it to the vets, I would say you should keep less animals.

Actually if that is your attitude IMO you shouldn't keep any.

I wonder if you had a dog and it was ill, would you just let it die so you could take care of your other animals? I doubt it.

 

[silverishness]

If the animals i bought from them are infected with crypto then they will die, but they will die alone as they are in quarantine.

This sentence, in any context, is terribly sad.

Of course I bought mine around the same time this thread was started and i have seen no symptoms. I see no reason to spend hundreds of dollars putting a 60$ animal down when i could just as easily spend that money keep the animals I actually have bonded to alive.

So, on the same thought, giving my own dog much needed veterinary care and even a quiet, painless death wouldn't be worth it because I got her for free. Sure, I understand the fact that if you had put in a larger investment, it would put pressure on you to keep the animal alive, but just because the gecko that died was only $60 -or that you just hadn't quite "bonded" with it yet- doesn't mean that the animal's comfort should be sacrificed. Just letting a creature die alone in quarantine simply because you either can't or don't want to afford euthanasia and that it'll just die anyway-- that's a cruel way to view any living creature, no matter how you look at it. Dying of crypto must be incredibly painful, but the fact that the gecko was only $60 means that it wasn't worth relief, and has to suffer through massive organ failure.

Classy.

I care about my reptiles so much that im willing to let 1 die so i can afford to save the rest.

If you're having to choose between quality of life for one of your geckos and food for the rest of your collection, you probably shouldn't have that many. The cost of euthanasia and the test for a very fatal, dangerous, contagious disease shouldn't be considered throwing away money or a luxury expense.

I'm sure if humans could catch Crypto, this thread would have ended up very differently.

Sorry you dont understand that.

Yeah, me too.

 

[Lucille]

Waffle

What I have is medical records and copies of the faxed report to my herp vet from the lab, not a screen shot that says crypto- negative.

Syrup

I think its kind of ridiculous how little time you guys are giving him to post any proof. If its not a screenshot it isnt a quick process to post it all. If my proof was on paper and not digital it would take me several days to post anything.

A cell phone camera can take pictures of documents which can then be posted. I've done this in under 5 minutes and as I have confessed before, I am technologically impaired.

Sam, 1 question. can you sleep well tonight not worrying if the reptiles you purchased from the Webbs are positive or negative for crypto?

I'd like to see an IP check and Sam's proof of purchase. Right now, I have trouble believing his stance as an alleged buyer who does not appear concerned with the possibility of crypto and is throwing himself into the fray to defend Webb.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Sam is so gallantly defending Mike Webb to his own detriment, that I wonder at his motives.
Sam, did Mike Webb, offer you geckos for your saccharine defence? Money?

I will be surprised if Mike, posts up proof. Others have already stated he has had enough time to convert his proof & post it up.

This thread will not go away.

Although I do not keep geckos, I have friends that do. I would prefer they not suffer because of a money hungry seller, that has no ethics.

 

[MissFirefly]

Adding Sam Stephenson to my do not sell/do not buy list.

Also, Sam, realize you are not helping Webb's case when your attitude is that an animal is disposable and not worthy of proper care/attention when sick and in need. Maybe it is odd to you but most people here care about their reptiles regardless if they spent $60 or $600.

 

[favrielle]

I think I've given Sam enough space in my head at this point. He clearly has his opinions on how this situation should have been resolved, and I doubt that he'll change his mind based on a few forum posts.

As to the ratings, which have since been removed from The Pet Gecko's FB entirely, I have a screenshot which shows that there was in fact a negative review on the page from a customer, posted BEFORE my situation with the Webbs. I vaguely recall others, but as not all of the ratings on the page came with text, I didn't think to take screenshots.


Now that that's out of the way, let's focus on what's really important -- Mike Webb has offered to provide his negative test results, and has stated he will do so within the next few days. I will be waiting (patiently) to see them.

 

[Kristi23]

Sam, please do not ever contact me for geckos.

There are always going to be followers for the Webbs who think they can do no wrong. I personally don't care if they sold 100 healthy geckos before. It's what happened when they sold a sick gecko. It's how they handled the situation (the wrong way). Angela's gecko had crypto. There is no doubt at all. She handled everything the right way that a caring person would. The Webbs told her to do the necropsy (though many breeders would have anyways). How many others have purchased animals from them that were never tested for crypto? How many others have purchased animals and not put them in QT for at least a month? This is a very serious situation in the gecko community. For you to belittle it Sam, is just wrong. So just keep on buying from the Webbs and other breeders like them because you'll not be sold animals from good breeders who see how you are. I just hope all your animals don't get sick and die.

 

[Kristi23]

And the others are correct. There have been other buyers on facebook who have posted about getting sick animals from the Webbs. Before and after Angela.

 

[guruza]

The webbs have offered me nothing for my support and i have not even spoken with either of them since my transaction was completed. The only proof of transaction with them i have is a couple geckos I have in quarantine that are doing fine that i picked up at the expo a little while ago in salt lake. And obviously spending a few hundred to keep 1 animal alive wont stop me from caring for my other animals but spending a few thousand putting down 4 or 5 animals is not financially responsible. Also, there is always the possibility that the gecko the buyer got caught gecko at the expo and the symptoms it was showing were from stress and the crypto hadnt actually showed symptoms yet. The lack of other threads about crypto lead me to believe that is probably the case. And that 1 negative comment must have slipped my mind but im certain there wernt others because there were hardly any reviews at all.

 

[Kristi23]

The webbs have offered me nothing for my support and i have not even spoken with either of them since my transaction was completed. The only proof of transaction with them i have is a couple geckos I have in quarantine that are doing fine that i picked up at the expo a little while ago in salt lake. And obviously spending a few hundred to keep 1 animal alive wont stop me from caring for my other animals but spending a few thousand putting down 4 or 5 animals is not financially responsible. Also, there is always the possibility that the gecko the buyer got caught gecko at the expo and the symptoms it was showing were from stress and the crypto hadnt actually showed symptoms yet. The lack of other threads about crypto lead me to believe that is probably the case. And that 1 negative comment must have slipped my mind but im certain there wernt others because there were hardly any reviews at all.

An animal isn't going to catch crypto and start showing symptoms within a couple days. It had it before then.