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Bad Guy Amanda O'Gorman (Meep) Unprofessional Transaction

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What should have been a simple transaction has now gotten to the point of me actually posting this thread, which I hoped I'd never have to do for anyone.

Anyway, simple story - I purchased a Butter Female Ball Python from Amanda. We agreed to a price and I submitted a deposit via PayPal on 5/13 for $100. She advised she wanted to wait a week to ship to let the recent meal digest. I said no problem and remitted the remaining payment via PayPal on 5/19. We agreed on a ship date of 5/23. I wasn't sure if I would be available that day as I was scheduled to travel for work. I let Amanda know and then juggled the schedule to be here on Tuesday the 24th to accept delivery. On Monday, I received the following email:

From:
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> Monday, May 23, 2011 5:30 PM

To:
"Jim Moorman" <[email protected]>
Hi Jim,

Unfortunately I have some bad news. We ended up having to head out of state late last night due to a family emergency. The way it looks I won't be home until late Wednesday or Thursday. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to email you sooner, it was a rush to get out of town. I hope this doesn't inconvenience you in any way. :(
-Amanda

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Jim Moorman <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 05:42:13 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Butter Female

Amanda-
I sent you a message on Fauna as well, but I just sent you the final payment and address for shipping in Paypal.
I'm confirmed as good for Monday shipping.

Thanks again,
Jim


I was bummed, but I understand that stuff comes up and, of course, family takes priority, but the reality was that I had to travel at the end of the week and would effectively be out of town on a big project for the better part of June, so I sent the following reply:

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Re: Butter Female
Monday, May 23, 2011 5:49 PM
From:
"Jim Moorman" <[email protected]>
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To:
[email protected]
Amanda-
This does, unfortunately, put a damper on things. Of course, I'm sorry to hear of your family emergency and wish you well in short order.
I was supposed to travel for work today, tomorrow and Wednesday. I pushed it off to be here for the delivery, so now I travel Wednesday through Friday. Next week is the holiday and then I'm out of town for 3 weeks on a big project.
Had I known we would have had such a rough schedule, I would have waited to pay you in full for her and free up the $.
As it stands now, I'm really not going to be around from next week through July. Why don't you just go ahead and issue me a refund and re-post her. If you get a buyer in the next couple weeks, cool. If she's still around when I get back, I'll gladly pay you for her (the amount we agreed to) and get her then.

Let me know if that will work.

Jim

Her reply:

Re: Butter Female
Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:53 AM
From:
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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To:
"Jim Moorman" <[email protected]>
Hi Jim,

I had just transfered the paypal money to my bank account, so it will be a couple days before I can send it back. I'll send it over as soon as it clears!

Sorry again! :(

Amanda

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Jim Moorman <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Butter Female



No worries, right? Since that communication, however, I asked for a couple updates and didn't receive a reply.

Sent this last Thursday:

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Re: Butter Female
Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:40 PM
From:
"Jim Moorman" <[email protected]>
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To:
[email protected]
Any update? Let me know. As I said, I'm out of town now, but checking email fairly regularly. I hope all is well with the family emergency.
Thanks
Jim

No Response

Sent this on Saturday

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Update request
Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:55 PM
From:
"Jim Moorman" <[email protected]>
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To:
[email protected]
Amanda-
I messaged you a couple days ago requesting an update on the refund and haven't heard back. It's been 5 days, so I'm hoping everything cleared. Please let me know.
Thanks
Jim

No Response

I sent the following this morning:

Amanda-
I've sent you two emails and haven't received a response. I'm just looking for an update on the status of my refund. It's been 8 days, so I'm guessing everything has cleared?

The last thing I want to do is submit a Paypal dispute and write a negative BOI thread. You seem like a nice person and were initially very good about communicating, so please let me know where it stands.

If I don't hear back today, I'm going to have to go the dispute route. I'm left with little in the way of other options.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Jim

I received the following delivery failure message:

This message was automatically kicked back as undeliverable

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<[email protected]>:
Remote host said: 550 in an RBL, see Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?98.138.91.40" [RCPT_TO]

I sent another message just to be sure before I posted here, and received the same result - Blocked.

So now I have disputed through PayPal and will have to wait until the 20th to get my $ back. It was a crummy set of circumstances that led to this, and I was just hoping for a better interaction. I'll get my $ back as I never received the snake, but I'd be remiss if I didn't post this to other buyers to (as always) buy with caution.

Thanks
Jim
 
Does this mean she blocked you from email contact or am I reading this wrong?

Remote host said: 550 in an RBL, see Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?98.138.91.40" [RCPT_TO]
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It looks like she put a filter on your Email to auto block/delete it.

Test that by emailing with a different email and if same applies then the account could have been closed.

For your sake, hope the money wasn't transferred into the bank as the dispute will be pointless as paypal wont be able to get any funds back.
 
Amanda apparently has a company with a website that is up and running (and has a slightly different email) to which you could send a message. I am including the name of the business,

Hitailrabbitry

so that a Google search for her company will bring up this thread and perhaps encourage communication on her part.
In my opinion you should not have had to wait for a refund at all. I hope your refund from paypal is smooth and without incident.
 
Wow. It looks like she blocked your email altogether.

To get a message kicked like that she had to set it through the spamcop website. Here is a link to the page where you see the blocking process, you can also run your IP address through it to see if you are blocked.

http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml
 
East_Coast said:
You are being too kind in calling this an "unproffesional transaction".

I'd call it a scam and theft.
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I agree. I commend you for being so nice, but at this point it's heading more and more toward scam. The email blocking is kind of the kicker.

Good luck, I hope Paypal comes through for you.
 
I sent a message to the rabbitry just so she would not think that the problem could be handled simply by blocking it.
 
Domain name: hitailrabbitry.com

Administrative Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ([email protected])
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4259744730
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O hitailrabbitry.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Technical Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ([email protected])
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4259744730
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O hitailrabbitry.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ()

Fax:
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O hitailrabbitry.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
ns.ez-web-hosting.com
ns1.ez-web-hosting.com

Creation date: 24 Nov 2008 16:12:00
Expiration date: 24 Nov 2011 16:12:00
 
wow - thanks!

Thanks to each of you for your help and recommendations on this. I wasn't expecting so much support. I'm very happy now that I posted. I'm working now and trying to jump on when I can, so I'll do my best to track her down today when I get a break

Thanks again
Jim
 
Hopefully this is just a misunderstanding and she will promptly refund your money. She's registered on at least 15 different forums and I would hope she wants to salvage her rep.

Also, I'm still not UTD on the whole spamcop thing, but did she violate their rules by adding your email as a spammer?
 
Focal X said:
Hopefully this is just a misunderstanding and she will promptly refund your money. She's registered on at least 15 different forums and I would hope she wants to salvage her rep.

Also, I'm still not UTD on the whole spamcop thing, but did she violate their rules by adding your email as a spammer?
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From searching that site spamcop is a service that you signup for that allows you to use their service keeping your original email account. But they add in the ability to filter out emails by ip address so they never make it to your inbox. So the sender is always blocked with a delivery error.
 
Focal X said:
Hopefully this is just a misunderstanding and she will promptly refund your money. She's registered on at least 15 different forums and I would hope she wants to salvage her rep.

Also, I'm still not UTD on the whole spamcop thing, but did she violate their rules by adding your email as a spammer?
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Yes she did.

From the site:

Calling something spam when it is not spam is harmful. Erroneous reports cause abuse desks to take SpamCop reports less seriously; they also lead to the unjust and unfair suspension or termination of the reported account. SpamCop's maintainers and deputies must handle erroneously filed reports, which is not an effective use of SpamCop staff resources. Additionally, spam reports feed the SpamCop Blocking List (SCBL). Erroneous reports make the SCBL less accurate and potentially cause thousands of sites to mistakenly block wanted, solicited email. For these reasons, there are penalties for violating the rules that have been set forth here and in the Acceptable Use Policy.

Free Reporting Service Users:
SpamCop will ban users of the free reporting service who violate these rules.

Paying Reporting Service Members:
SpamCop may fine, suspend or terminate the accounts of paid members who violate these rules.
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