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Thank you, because I was feeling bad, angry, a lot of conflicting emotions because I thought I had approached it from every level and I just couldn't justify it. Even if I put it in plastic to prevent cross-contimation, how effective would it be..to much is yet unknown about how it spreads.

I sincerely believed that the longer I kept the snake, the greater chance that something would get though, as I got more tired and stressed, or people come to do my yard and have to go in the shed to get tools..just tooo much chance for something to go wrong.

I don't want to ever have to be in Jen Harrison's shoes. I do know I have some haters out there that would send me an IBD infected animal if they could.:(


Wolfy-hound said:
Deb, I only posted the information about the liver biopsy, vs the brain, etc etc.. because someone above me asked about that. I in no way wanted to imply you should have a liver biopsy done, in fact, in my own opinion, a liver biopsy would not rule OUT IBD, so it would be just as if you had done nothing at all, and you'd be out the money for the liver biopsy without full assurance that it was clear of IBD.

Personally, since you offered to send it back, and the seller said outright that you should keep it and cull it, you are within your rights to cull the animal. If you are fine without a necropsy and are content with the precautions you have taken(you sound like you did better than a lot of "clean labs" as far as cross-contaimination), then there wouldn't be any need to transport the body to get a necropsy.

As far as it contaminating your car, you could easily package the body up in succeeding layers of plastic or had a friend use their car to be certain there was no contamination. I only say this in case someone might be thinking of how they can transport without risk of spreading any virus/bacteria/bugs.

Even if I was 90% certain it was a spinner, rather than infected, how much chance to risk your entire collection is okay? Plus you'd risk other people's collections, through passing on snakes, or passing on particles on your clothing etc. That you chose to put the snake down, rather than risking it, says a lot about how serious you are about keeping not only YOUR collection safe, but all of our collections safe.
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I think you did the right thing. I don't have enough experience to decide whether or not it was a woma or spider. IMHO, it should not have been sold without full disclosure.

I've got a little spider girl here with terrible wobble. If she can't eat on her own, she will be culled. I will keep her and not breed her if she can thrive. So far, she won't eat on her own.

It completely sucks to put something down but sometimes it has to be done.

Does freezing kill the IBD?

Also, what happened to Jen?
 
I have a spider female that wobbles very badly also. She gets along fine, will never be bred. When I die, the person who is taking charge of my pets(it's in my will) knows she is to be only a pet, and not to be sold, traded, or bred.

Oddly enough, I was sold her as a 100% healthy animal, and when I contacted THAT seller, he declared there was nothing wrong with it, and eventually told me he would replace it with a hatchling from the season then, rather than the same year of the animal I paid for. It was another case of "wobbles? No no, it's fine".

Sorry you had to go through this Deb.
 
Melinda said:
I think you did the right thing. I don't have enough experience to decide whether or not it was a woma or spider. IMHO, it should not have been sold without full disclosure.

I've got a little spider girl here with terrible wobble. If she can't eat on her own, she will be culled. I will keep her and not breed her if she can thrive. So far, she won't eat on her own.

It completely sucks to put something down but sometimes it has to be done.

Does freezing kill the IBD?

Also, what happened to Jen?
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I had no clue how freezing affects IBD and Jen..she dropped from sight... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99539
 
Deb, I really don't think this was IBD (or a woma for that matter).
I think this was a poor example of a spider with a severe wobble that was put down. I really think a necropsy should have been done after you froze it.
I think it would have come back negative for IBD.
That animal behaved exactly like a severe wobbling spider I saw a few years ago.
 
SPJ said:
Deb, I really don't think this was IBD (or a woma for that matter).
I think this was a poor example of a spider with a severe wobble that was put down. I really think a necropsy should have been done after you froze it.
I think it would have come back negative for IBD.
That animal behaved exactly like a severe wobbling spider I saw a few years ago.
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I am glad you do not think so. I was not willing to take the chance. Also, a necro would be inclusive after freezing, thus nothing would be gained, imo but dragging the situation out.

But thanks for trying to set my mind at rest. :)
 
Having seen the original close-up photos in the ad, now, I cannot tell if it is a dark, low-white spider, or a dark woma. Unfortunately, a dark low-white spider and a dark woma can look similar. I believe you did the right thing, since there was no way to be certain what you had there. It wasn't worth the risk to the rest of your collection.

I am leaning toward spider--the white washing on the sides is more marked than what you usually see in a woma. (Still, I have some normals with at least that much white coming up from the belly).

I've never seen my spider sitting in his water dish with his head upside down, though. He's uncoordinated, but he does eventually figure out which way is supposed to be up when he's moving around.

It's really an unfortunate thing that this animal was possibly mis-identified long before you got it. I would have thought 'IBD' as well. It's still entirely possible that was the case.
 
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