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Anne Troff aka Anne Ripoff

Also, I am still scratching my head over that whole deal on another thread where Anne "bent" the rules and purchased the large amounts of money orders, and then seemed unconcerned when they were seized by a postal inspector for what, a month? Something still smells fishy to me on that one.......could it actually perhaps have had something to do with her past catching up to her?
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Cathy,

I was aware you were also seeing something “fishy” in that thread.

As far as trusting people with a history of past lies and deceits, it’s painfully obvious that it can’t be done. Yes, probably it would be wise for Anne to go away for a while…maybe 10-15 years. The same goes for other proven scammers and those that were highly disrespectful to other people in the past, and after a while they return all dressed in sheep’s clothing…You may fool a few of the newer folks but not those that have been here for quite a while.

Regards,
 
The BoidSmith said:
Cathy,

I was aware you were also seeing something “fishy” in that thread.

As far as trusting people with a history of past lies and deceits, it’s painfully obvious that it can’t be done. Yes, probably it would be wise for Anne to go away for a while…maybe 10-15 years. The same goes for other proven scammers and those that were highly disrespectful to other people in the past, and after a while they return all dressed in sheep’s clothing…You may fool a few of the newer folks but not those that have been here for quite a while.

Regards,
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I agree 100%. As I asked earlier in this thread, do scammers change? IMO, I do not know of any that have. I was hoping she would prove me wrong, but it did not happen. :rolleyes:
 
varnyard said:
I agree 100%. As I asked earlier in this thread, do scammers change? IMO, I do not know of any that have. I was hoping she would prove me wrong, but it did not happen. :rolleyes:
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Not to take away from this but the answer is yes.... If they really want too.
 
varnyard said:
I agree 100%. As I asked earlier in this thread, do scammers change? IMO, I do not know of any that have. I was hoping she would prove me wrong, but it did not happen. :rolleyes:
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Personally, I don’t really care. I’m not a therapist. I just need to know who they are.
 
Once a scammer ALWAYS a scammer.

The willingness and lack of a conscious needed to rip someone off is not a poor business practice that can be easily corrected, they are character flaws. It is a part of who people are at their core. Plain and simple.
 
shrap said:
Once a scammer ALWAYS a scammer.

The willingness and lack of a conscious needed to rip someone off is not a poor business practice that can be easily corrected, they are character flaws. It is a part of who people are at their core. Plain and simple.
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So if a person makes 1 mistake and rectifies it ..He or She is still a scammer ?Forget all the hormones or testosterone levels
 
Bill_Leverton said:
So if a person makes 1 mistake and rectifies it ..He or She is still a scammer ?Forget all the hormones or testosterone levels
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Depends on if the actions meet the definition of “mistake.” And if it was actually one or a plethora.
 
Bill,

I did some dumb crap in my life..... when I was a kid. What we do as ignorant teens and what we do as adults are two very different things. I can be very forgiving to a kid that screws up, but an ADULT that is willing to rip people off is a SCAMMER for life in my book and can NEVER be trusted again.
 
And I have to say.... ripping people off is NOT a mistake. It is a CHOICE. Forgetting to add a heat pack is a mistake, sending the wrong animal is a mistake..... stealing peoples money or animals is a conscious decision that only an untrustworthy low life makes.
 
OK, I'm in sense talking about myself, I messed up, rectified it, dispute the testosterone levels, Does that make me a scammer with no redemption ??
 
Honestly.....pretty much Bill, in my book anyway. I for one would never do business with you.
 
OK, I'm in sense talking about myself, I messed up, rectified it, dispute the testosterone levels, Does that make me a scammer with no redemption ??
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Bill, you're going to find a varied response to that question. I believe that ones that trusted you the most are going to be least likely to forget. I don't have a long history with you. I actually started about the time of your thread. So I would say that people can redeem themselves with you in mind.
 
And I have to say.... ripping people off is NOT a mistake. It is a CHOICE. Forgetting to add a heat pack is a mistake, sending the wrong animal is a mistake..... stealing peoples money or animals is a conscious decision that only an untrustworthy low life makes.
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Ditto.
 
kmurphy said:
Bill, you're going to find a varied response to that question. I believe that ones that trusted you the most are going to be least likely to forget. I don't have a long history with you. I actually started about the time of your thread. So I would say that people can redeem themselves with you in mind.
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I see your point, No one ever really forgets, I do understand that. Its what you do from that point that defines you.
 
Bill_Leverton said:
OK, I'm in sense talking about myself, I messed up, rectified it, dispute the testosterone levels, Does that make me a scammer with no redemption ??
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Yeah Bill, that's pretty much how I see it too. You've made the list of people to never buy from and you're the first on the list of people never to sell to.

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I see your point, No one ever really forgets, I do understand that. Its what you do from that point that defines you.
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I think it's what you did before that point that defined you. If someone has the capability to steal from someone once, they'll surely do it again. I'd think the first time would be the hardest. Paying up after you're busted and all your lies fall apart means absolutely nothing in my book. I think Anne is proving the whole "once a scammer, always a scammer" theory. -Chris
 
If were going to have a civil discussion about it Bill. I will tell you what I still find troubling with your attempt to rectify your situation. You keep saying, “I made a mistake.” With that statement, no difference is made between stealing from someone and forgetting to take out the garbage cans to the curb. You keep saying you rectified it as if it should be used to disregard what you have done.

How about trying something like this – Yep, I stole a boa and tried to resell it. When I was caught, I lied and let my friends go to bat to defend me. I later admitted to it, paid the guy back and learned my lesson.
I was utterly and completely wrong. My actions were deplorable. I apology.

I for one would respect that more than “I made one mistake.” I would also like to know why you still believe you made only one mistake. Do you still bid on your own auctions? Was that not a mistake?
Note: It wouldn’t change the fact that I would not purchase or knowingly sell to you.

All the other information that came to light in your very long thread amounts to more than one mistake.
When you keep minimizing it, an apology seems somewhat disingenuous.

You owe me nothing and don’t need to prove anything to me. While I agree with a lot of your posts on different subjects before and after your thread and found value in those posts, when I keep seeing “ I made one mistake” it makes one think less of them (posts).

Bill, you’re a great conversationalist in some of the forums and appeared to be a likeable guy to most.
Hell, I truly trusted you before all this occurred and was looking at some of your animals you had for sale. I felt bad about you injuries you reported and the fire you had and wanted to help in some way. The, you posted on your thread, “We all made up or vision of you (in our own minds)” of who you were before you were caught. “It was our own fault.” You were right, I thought you were a good guy by your posts here. I came to that conclusion on my own and it was my fault.

So what happens after all this? You posted an ad with some misrepresentations and changed it when the person who sold you the animals called you on it. Was it a mistake? Yes, it could have been. But you would think with the problems that you have had lately, that you would have made a better attempt to verify and advertise the hets you are selling correctly.

*I believe I’m being extremely civil here and addressing your question with an honest response. Honestly, I would find it hard to ever trust you.*
 
Dennis, I agree with what you have to say above, OK yes in my thread I made alot mistakes (lumped them all together as 1) But yes after post 24 of that thread everything just went out of control, yes alot of my own doing.. Guilty as charged, Stupidity got the better of me also... Guilty as charged again.
So what happens after all this? You posted an ad with some misrepresentations and changed it when the person who sold you the animals called you on it. Was it a mistake? Yes, it could have been. But you would think with the problems that you have had lately, that you would have made a better attempt to verify and advertise the hets you are selling correctly.
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Yes I also agree and yes with all the crap going on at that time, yes the ad could of been more accurate and there is no excuse for it. So I do see your point, I guess I made alot of mistakes, Well I guess, I'll have to work on that. :)
 
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